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I dunno. black is just so...
Expected. Time is predictable only in the fact that it flows.

They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones

FlammingGaunt wrote:Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.

I've always found it ironic how Slaanesh's domination of the Eldar will lead to his downfall.

I wonder if he knows.

So, I'm not getting something here. The chaos gods are representations of, or formed from, strong mental and/or emotional energies. The more the stronger the god. So, how is it that we have Nurgle? Khorne is understandable, violence and bloodshed, bloodlust and aggression, are very base and strong emotions. Tzeentch, knowledge, investigation, the search for what's out there, to understand ones world and whats in it, the drive to know, understandable. Slaanesh, the desire to feel good, and enough said since I'm at work, definitely a strong thing for most races. But I'm sick? A entity of emotions and mental processes about I don't feel good? Emotions about fears associated with being ill would be better suited to Tzeentch, fear of the unknown, and eventually knowledge concerning biology, plagues, and potential misuses. But compared to the others, it's just not as noteworthy. Next to the overwhelming rage and bloodlust of someone going berserk and trying to rip their foe to shreds, a strong desire to throw up just pales to insignificance.

Now, a god of death, I can see. One having fear as a domain. I can also see positive warp beings out there, love, hope, mother, even if they wouldn't fit in well with the whole grimdark thing. But if we don't have death, or loneliness and loss, I don't see how Nurgle qualifies to be up there.

I did do something like this over at Miniwargaming.com:

http://www.miniwargaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57880

Melkirth, chaos god of Resentment, Envy, Greed and Misery

Nurgle is humanity's despair, and its reaction to that despair - the "power of life," as it were.

He's easily the most complex of the four, although that's probably more the result of conflicting fluff than anything. I'd rather he be purely powered by despair to contrast with Tzeentch's "hope" theme, but then again I'm not writing the fluff.

Nightwalker wrote:They're are more Chaos Gods, just not big strong ones

Established.


All righty then-
[NAME]
Time
Aging
Fear

Any other inputs?

Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.

the color purple wrote:Time, aging, and fear really are Nurgle's thing. He represents at its heart the fear that all humans have of the fact that everything ends. Nurgle being a happy and parental god in fluff doesn't contradict this, it just gives him more character. Followers of Nurgle happily embrace plague, decay, fear, and loss because they are afraid of what comes after. Nurgle basically offers power over time: by becoming infected, rotted walking corpses the followers of Nurgle prevent themselves from dying of sickness or age. They embrace and accept that everything falls to ruin.

This is an excellent way of putting it, even the simplest follower of nurgle would stay alive for a very LONG time. They would see the ones they love age and die around them so things would begin to become more "care free".

For the Name- AETOX

Pronouse I-A-Tox

Unless anyone has problems this is final-we need a name after 6 pages

Now we needs a symbol.

Yeah. I was thinking an almost complete circle, to represent time, and a skull or summing in the midle to represent fear. I'm really bad at art, so won't draw this, but and one like this?

Mustela wrote:There are seven chaos gods. The big four plus:

Malal: Chaos god of hating chaos gods.

Necoho: Chaos god of aethism/ unbelief

Zuvassin(spelled wrong?): Chaos god of chaos.

There could be infinite chaos gods, but it's unlikely GW will do that.

Another two that weren't developed but were included in GW publicatoins were A'nsrl and Frazethar (or however it is written)

A new chaos god would probably be envy, hatred (which is partially taken by Khorne, but he mainly focuses on mad rage rather than grudges), and a false sense of self entitlement (I suppose some Tzeentch worshippers fit this one as well, but not enough of them for that to be a major part of Tzeentch's portfolio). His minions would be crazy egotistical people who focused on grudges and all the luxuries they believed they earned.

I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...

Well there are 4 points for the major gods, but also they have 4 smaller ones so I guess if anything is dictated by the symbol of chaos there would be 4 minor gods that have a blend of the two siding major gods. Lets take Tez and Slaa Well maybe the minor god is a crazy warped seer obsessed with the pleasure of fate and knowing what would be most pleasing to him or something. I think if new chaos gods crop up it will be in these minor star's if anything other wise I don't see them messing up the symbol of chaos.

-Sincerely Viri

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Quite the opposite. All of the worship and sacrifice to the emperor is creating something in the warp as well. Search Star Child on the lexicanum.

Star child also refers to the whole Illuminati in wh40k thing though...

I think that there may be more creatures in the warp that could be seen as gods but i dont think they will ever be included in the game. Its hard to think of new ones that share godly powers with the four that exist at the moment because they have such broad range of things that are under their control, or shall we say expertise.

On another note if you want to create a godly creature go for C'tans. From all that i keep hearing about this new necron codex its going to alot more C'tans but they will not be used as special characters.. anyway im getting sidetracked..

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I like the idea of a god of loneliness.
(Although that may be because I've been revising "of mice and men" for my english lit. exam, loneliness is a big theme in it.
For this proposed god of fear, you might draw some inspiration from the greek god Phobos, from whom stems the term "phobia".
God of cowardice maybe? I guess he'd always run away though...

I was kind of thinking this for a bad fluffy Cron army. I wanted the Outsider, so came up with he's going so mad , insane and lonely in his prison it builds up warp energy until a fleet of custom warp Crons come and save him, and then they wreak havoc in the Milky Way for a while

OK, so this is the profile so far. Speak up now or I will finalize this.

AETOX
Fear
Aging
Cruelty

Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)

I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.

The aging is really the slow passing of time and the horror, dispair, and fear emotions ascossiated with it.

I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.

PURGE THE HERETICS!!!...and take their tacos, I say that star dragon of doom needs to wake up.


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Sothas wrote:I don't think fear is technically covered, but Khorne and Nurgle do have it covred in their own little way. Aging isn't really an emotion, and if it's fear of aging/growing old/dying then Nurgle has that covered. Cruelty... Yeah, I got nothing on that.

Cruelty sounds good, but in a way isn't that the domain of Slaanesh?


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haloreach4ever wrote:I have a great idea, while i was reading this thread i was watching doctor who, and i remembered how i got so scared it gave me nightmares (when i was younger of course) so i think that nightmares would defiantly have some kind of link to a god of fear.

good idea.

Why a chaos god of fear? Is fear not associated with the big 4?

Why a chaos god of time? Wouldn't control of time make him more like god-god and not a god?

Aging is covered by nurgle.

Are the 4 chaos gods not cruel? When slaanesh grinds a worlds population into drugs is that not cruel enough?

No, its not AFAIK. Time as its uncovered and a big source of Chaos and fear. How will I be when I'm older? Will we make it? etc etc. Oh well if its covered by Nurgle, anyway its not really. Yes of course they are cruel, but they don't cover it. Asuryan went to war, does that make him Khaine?

Ooooh, we could have a
God of suffering - something Akin to the cenobites in Hellraiser
God of misery
God of Trickery
God of Fear (a creature so powerful itll even cause space marines to feel fear. :O)

i dunno. what do you all think would make some cool chaos gods?

Trickery is tzeetch

Chaos Gods also don't care about time, since time, to them and their ilk, is a non-entity. Chaos Gods and Daemons do not view time as a line, as in they progress from the Now to the Future, but, instead, they exist in all times, simultaneously, and know the Present, the Past and the Future... at least in general.

A Chaos God of Time is akin to Necoho, the Unbeliever... a Chaos God that doesn't believe in Gods.

Ah yes, but that doesn't mean they can't manipulate it to their advantage. Most don't care, because it doesn't effect them, but if you had a deity of time and a reason for it to be feared, then yes it could work.


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Urien_Rakarth wrote:
Symbol (this isn't final, just a quick sketch I did on PowerPoint)

Can someone work and reply to this. *cough*Kasraki*cough*