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Is there really no god of fear? That seems like a missed opportunity. Also is there one for sadism or cruelty? There seems to be a lot of that in 40k

Fear as an emotion has its roots in different things. I'd assume all of the Chaos gods draw from it depending on what it is fear of.

You know the Nightbringer covers the fear domain. He isn't a chaos god, but why double up on one aspect? That being said Tzeentch, the Deciever, and Cegorach are all quite similar. But then again that creates some cool interplay between all these super crafty dieties. I can't see the benefit of multiple fear gods though.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Plus, as nobody has touched the hive mind, we don't know what it's thinking. Nids themselves are a mindless extention of it's will and do not actually eat any of it. That's done solely by rippers.

Try reading some Tigerius fluff. He has touched the Hive Mind. It's a soulless, emotionless intellect with an insatiable hunger, nothing more.

we might get closer to something usefull by defining the existing gods.
Khorne: God of rage and the emotions associated with battle - honor and so forth.
Slaanesh: God of lust, sensations and to some degree fear too. Its a sensation and is probably as pleasurable to him as lust.
Nurgle: God of stagnation and death, corruption, greed and stillness. he is in many ways the embodiment of the imperial ideal. An oppressor.
Tzeentch: God of Intrigue, power hunger and conspiracies. Envy and manipulations feed him as much as the lust for the arcane, magic being a tool to achieve power.

Unless im mistaking then the god of fear is allready there, so is the god of death and time... well... these things feed of emotions. what emotions are associated with time? fear of aging?

Possibly a god of arrogance and pride, who whispers to those that do terrible things in the name of a cause or because they feel they must. pushing them to even greater limits of atrocity. a god of the misguided and the desperate. but i guess about all of the above would be up for that kind of work.

Instead of bringing new Gods, just bring back Malal. Adjust him a bit to make him more sinister as well. Adding concepts such as treachery, anarchy, and so on.

A possible solution to the problem of Chaos armies having limited options in the god department would be to define and characterize each major Chaos trait, build special Rules for each trait, and allow Chaos Lords to equip them as smaller, weaker versions of Marks. With a few additions, it would create a system that would allow any player to mix and match several Marks to create their own minor Chaos God.

KHORNE
- Blood
- War
- Death
- Rage

NURGLE
- Disease
- Corruption
- Destruction
- Despair

SLAANESH
- Sensation
- Passion
- Pride
- Temptation

TZEENTCH
- Change
- Fate
- Sorcery
- Deceit

Now, take three total from any Chaos God, order them in terms of importance, and congratulations! You have a minor God of the Warp. For example, if I took Corruption, Death and War, I can create the Daemon God Chemosh, an ally of Nurgle with his own play style and fluff that could complement Nurgle very nicely. With the ranking system and the ability to stack such abilitiies, I believe this leaves room for at least four thousand unique combinations.

I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!

P.S Whp is Malal?

Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like the last idea, and it even half fits with the fluff as Chaos gods come about when anough worship/devotion/ what they are comes about and happens and gathers in the warp. I like the idea as well as of chosing your own aspects of the different Chaos gods in a mix-and-match scenario, as you often find with armies generally you are often limited to the things you can take, ie. The old DE really made you choose between a Wych Cult or a Kabal, with not much room for varition in either, or Chaos Divided for obvious reasons.
I do however like the idea of another Chaos God of Time/Fear. Some CSM armour colours were made on page2, and I thought some thought could be given to Daemons.
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow
His greater Daemons would be Bringers of Terror, his elite would be Youth Thieves, and his lesser Daemons would be Omen Bearers. I think that the Omen Bearers should look like hooded black and gold figures, whilst Youth Theives should look similar with bare skulls, reapers, and some sort of weapon, maybe the reapers, which instantly stole any enemies youth and turned them into old frail figures, much like the DE Chronos does. The Bringer of Terror could mabe look abit like the Nightbringer on DoW Soulstorm, with a leering face and black and gold robes swirling around him, possibly with a signiature weapon like the reaper, but could be different.
Finally, the black in the colour sceme could be changed for grey, and I haven't yet come up with a signiature trait like all the other Chaos Gods have, so someone could help me there?
Thats all, so hope you like!

P.S Whp is Malal?

I imagine it having a bit of a nihilist personality, being very dour and negative.


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.

I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.

Mr Nobody wrote:
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DarknessEternal wrote:

Urien_Rakarth wrote:
I came up with the Chaos God Sker-
-Fear
-Time
-Age
-Sorrow

Those things are all covered by Nurgle.

I always thought Nurgle was apathy and acceptance of the end.

He has the most diversified portfolio of the big 4, but entropy and despair covers all of those things mentioned.

The new God definitely needs to be a piss-ant.
Khorne: Angry
Tzeentch: Don't really know. JUST AS PLANNED
Slaanesh: Thrill-seeker
Nurgle: Cheerful

Now he needs to be a depressed kind of piss-an, like an irritable emo. Not in an old man angry way, that would be Khorney.

@Urien_Rakarth: Sker?

So your saying maybe really annoyed at life, hates everything in existance kind of thing?... I like this but I think it is quite close to Khorne, so maybe instead of the bloody-guts anger you imagine with Khorne, a sort of Cold-Blooded Black Hate for the new God, Sker.


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WHO IS MALAL?


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I came up with the name Sker a page ago, by using the Icelandic transalation for something


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Kasrkai wrote:

Urien_Rakarth wrote:what about the Daemons. All the other 4's daemons are superior to each other in some way. Nurgle is very hard to kill with 2 wounds on basic plaguebearers. Slaanesh is f@#*ing fast, Tzeench is Psychic to the extreme, if I recall corectly pink horrors even get some psychics. Then Khorne I don't remember. The time gods could cause fear,/be mega strong?

Maybe rewind a roll?
That would piss me off.

Actually I think thats quite a good idea... plus it adds to the time aspect. It might be abit powerfull for just the basic infantry, though.
Maybe once per battle each unit of Sker Daemons could rewind time one turn?
Next aspect, what about a symbol?

PS How do you upload pics, ie does the pic already have to be on the internet? in a file? on the Dakka gallery?

I'd say a symbol would need to use hard geometry, so-as to show how very dour he is.

I know it sucks. Get someone with talent to do something, this is a thirty-second sketch idea.

I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.

Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.

Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.

Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.

Dunno about aging, but death and decay are probably Nurgle's alright.

Henners91 wrote:Ageing, decay and death would fall within Nurgle's purview imo...

But raw fear, that's interesting.

We came up with time because we figured that's what people fear most, though we could just make the chaos god a giant boogeyman.

its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.

As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.

Its interesting that nurgle theory that he is also the god of kindness and life. Slaanesh is joy to all levels, and Tzeench is hope. It seems with out the Chaos Gods life could not function at all, or if it could it would just be an eternity of Imperial oppresion? IMHO

Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.

gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls

What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?

Tau do have freedom with farsight showing they can break away from the higher evolution of the ethereals and you cant say tau have no freedom because the Ethereal is like the emperor he controls people and they obay reguardless and humans have a link to chaos. The gods were created through creatures with a link, even without the gods creatures would beable to live their life because the chaos gods do not control life or hope but are the manifestations of them.

A prime example is slaanesh, their was pleasure long before it was created. Life changes reguardless and the chaos gods have no control over that since they are the physical manifestation of the emotion's. If Tzeench was the true god of change and hope he could control it,he could destroy anything and change the past, present and future but cannot. You have to understand Urien That the gods are created through souls of creatures with emotion and if a creature did not have a soul or a link like a blank in humans, They would still beable to live their life reguardless.

There is God of Fear: Konrad Kurze. I know, he isnt Actually a god, but when has death ever stopped someone in 40K? Lucius has died loads of times for example. Anyway, Kurze could return as the god of fear and vindication. As Kurze saw his assasination as vindication for his actions and he did use fear to keep Nostramo in line, he would be a perfect candidate for a god of fear. Add on the fact that there are numerous references in the Codexes and the rule book to a 'Darkness on the eastern fringe' and darkness is commonly linked to Fear and ALL races feel fear, even space marines (they're trained and altered to block it out) you get the idea that there is something coming.

Chaos Emperor first Konrad Kurze wouldent be the god of fear as the reason he let the assassin kill him was because he felt wrong about what he had become and the "darkness on the eastern fringe" refers to one of two things the tyranids or the necron pylons used to restrict the old ones from entering our galxey.

IIRC, wasn't it inconclusive whether or not the assassin killed Curze? It was implied, but wasn't outright stated, I think.

Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.

sorry thermatic-i'm with you now

hHa all good mate.