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Wraith units are terrible anyway so don't worry about it too much.

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

Nope, that looks like something that might follow a curry and pint!
I mean this one:


There was a wight or something riding it too.

Kanluwen wrote:

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Not at all. So if I want a Banshee hero and Banshee unit then I am stuck with the same unipose model for both?

$pider wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Not at all. So if I want a Banshee hero and Banshee unit then I am stuck with the same unipose model for both?

Exactly as planned!

GW doesn't want anyone figuring out their gameplan. They're crazy like a fox.

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

My son and I were discussing this yesterday. Minimum units are about $40 US. The models look great, but Warhammer is getting less practical all the time. Like so many other units with incredibly high single model prices (e.g., Ogryns, Wraithguard, Immortals) these may be units one rarely sees any more or that are nearly always minimum sized units when someone does buy them.

The arrogance in pricing over the past couple years knows no bounds and the only thing that gets a reaction from GW regarding pricing is when people stop buying the items in question. What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf. I will be interested to see when they finally get one of their "ah-ha" moments again, it's been about three years now since the last one where they used more affordable pricing on some new releases and revised releases. Hopefully they won't run themselves out of business before getting there.

Not bad, I like the dragon.

In the new White Dwarf there are rules for using the Banshee and the Wraith as characters. That makes it a bit more affordable and useful for those who only wish to buy one of each model.

You could always go for a cheaper option and buy Mantic wraiths and undead for your army. The cost to buy 1 wraith from GW is the same for a box of 10 from Mantic. Banshee's can be sourced from a variety of locations, I am currently using Reaper ones.

I have an undead army using their miniatures and it's been a pleasure to purchase and put together.

If you think GW is asking too much, go elsewhere.

Fenriswulf wrote:You could always go for a cheaper option and buy Mantic wraiths and undead for your army. The cost to buy 1 wraith from GW is the same for a box of 10 from Mantic. Banshee's can be sourced from a variety of locations, I am currently using Reaper ones.

Except Mantics Wraiths look terrible. Not being anti-Mantic, their Ghouls and Zombies are better than GW's offerings. But the bulk of Mantics undead range is below average, and the Wraiths are uip there with the terrible Soul Reaver knights and mounted Vampire.

If you're going to recommend non-GW wraiths, at least recommend the good alternatives, like Reapers wraith box set. Sure, they're not as cheap as Mantics, but they are still a lot cheaper than GW, being $40us for 9, and they look awesome as well.

The Mantic wraiths look perfectly fine to me. And I have seen the Reaper ones, and they are pretty uninspiring to be honest, especially for that price. Twirled sculpted green stuff with oversized scythes? Pass.

All depends what you like. Thus far having bought most of Mantics undead line, I have been very very impressed with it.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

My son and I were discussing this yesterday. Minimum units are about $40 US. The models look great, but Warhammer is getting less practical all the time. Like so many other units with incredibly high single model prices (e.g., Ogryns, Wraithguard, Immortals) these may be units one rarely sees any more or that are nearly always minimum sized units when someone does buy them.

The arrogance in pricing over the past couple years knows no bounds and the only thing that gets a reaction from GW regarding pricing is when people stop buying the items in question. What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf. I will be interested to see when they finally get one of their "ah-ha" moments again, it's been about three years now since the last one where they used more affordable pricing on some new releases and revised releases. Hopefully they won't run themselves out of business before getting there.

Personally, I've found that smaller games of Fantasy have a much better game play. It keeps the real nasties out of the game. Some armies will be more than others though especially undead. You've just got to have so many bodies!

BrassScorpion wrote: What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf.

Well, to be fair we've never had a repeat of the Blood Knight fiasco. Every other army's mounted equivalent started coming out in plastic following that. I've yet to come across someone who isn't a GW employee who actually owns any Blood Knights...

DarkStarSabre wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote: What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf.

Well, to be fair we've never had a repeat of the Blood Knight fiasco. Every other army's mounted equivalent started coming out in plastic following that. I've yet to come across someone who isn't a GW employee who actually owns any Blood Knights...

Which is a real tragedy because i for one think the sculpts are great and would LOVE to own 5. Or 10. But at $100 that's half of the rest of my army in price. THE ENTIRE rest of my army! The mounted Chaos Knights are, sadly, a little too chaosy, and none of the elves fit the bill for me in terms of over all menace. Alas!

Straight from The White Dwarf!