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I like the herald but the disk looks like crap. I'll be sticking to my design thank you!

The Dragon is nice but looks kind of comical. The rotting/exposed muscle areas look cheaply done. Looks like a 3d rendering of a 32 bit Final Fantasy monster.

Shawn G. (SoI)

migsula wrote:Brian Nelson is seemingly given time to do these absolutely fantastic one frame plastic characters. Starting with the wizards and now gorgeous new undead models.

And I'm glad to see that there are more of them coming. Hopefully soon they can start doing all single-pose characters in this method.

Nagashek wrote:If only the rest of my VC list didn't suck butt, I'd be up for this in a heartbeat. And though I don't MIND the VC love, how about a random bunch of patch models/rules for WE or Brets? They could use it more. :eyeroll:

They probably have them done already, but are waiting to release them with a book release. Things like WoC and VC they can't do it with, since they're going to be waiting quite a while for a new book. Brets are apparently after Ogres, so they probably see it as better to wait. Same as why we're not seeing any Ogre stuff.

Wow, I really like those VC minis. Black Knights really need a resculpt, now... ancient sculpts and they're still individuals blisters of 1 mini.

If they redo Black Knights, I really, really hope the skeletal horses get the same treatment. The old skeletal horses are hideous, and seeing them in a Tomb Kings army is really jarring.

The new plastic blisters are ace! Even though I stopped collecting GW I hope they do more of them.

Garden needs morr skulls!

All of the recent WHFB releases have been incredible. As amazing as the zombie dragon and terrorgheist are, I'm really impressed with that bestial ghoul.

The Chaos Daemons releases, however, have been overwhelmingly disappointing. The middle finger and rock hand symbols on half the models are just silly. The disc itself looks like something anyone with moderate sculpting skills could create easily. GW really needs to take inspiration from what FW is doing with their daemon releases.

Wow very nice VC goodies there!

Now that we've got some better pictures....

Zombie Dragon: I really like the pose. The Vampire lord's saddle seems much less silly than GW normally does these things. I'm not feeling a lot of the details though, especially the head/neck area. It doesn't so much look like a zombified rotting corpse to me as it does a skeleton that someone has glued some black rags to. Oh, and put some muscles in the places that would make really difficult joins if there weren't any. Not a bad job, but not great.

Terrorgheist: A Very nice pose, but I'm liking the bat head even less. The bestial ghoul however is almost epic. Not quite sure about how it's sitting there though. Anyway, finally the Blood Angels have a kit to make a giant bat mount from! Just glue on some SM bits to make it cyborg-y!

Herald of Tzeentch: I can't get past the head. Which is too bad. Because Tzeentch stuff can be hard to make not look silly, and this kit kinda pulls it off. Apart from the nutcracker-bird head with 2D fire arcing in a flat plane between its horns for some reason. But maybe there's some conversion fodder there.

Cairn Wraith: Is this plastic? It looks pretty solid, apart from a little looking slightly flat. Maybe it's the paint job. The metal mask looks like a little love being shown to the Necron players.

Banshee: I love it. Neck seems a little long, but I can totally forgive it because ghosts are supposed to be weird and uncomfortable-looking.

Garden of Morr: A+. This is the first scenery piece where I've thought GW's Empire aesthetic ("every surface must have decoration/skullz!") works. I might even be sorely tempted to buy it, if I had the cash, even though as my army is beastmen it doesn't fit at all. I hope it connects well to other Empire terrain.

So overall, GW doesn't look to be batting too badly with these. I don't think I'll buy any (especially if any of them are Finecast) but at worst they are some good models with a couple that are less good and a couple that are great. Let's hope getting to see clearer pics of the Dark Eldar figures doesn't lower their average.

I think the herald will enter my collection, however he may be kept on disc. The garden wow. I think their terrain is so ace lately. I really think the sculpts are based on a lot of WAR imagery.

The zombie dragon would be excellent for body and legs on greater deamon conversions.

Why does the Herald of Tzeentch look like he’s surfing and going “wuzzzaaap” at the same time? Has Tzeentch taken the mantle of cool from Slaanesh?

Yep, sign me up to the Cairn Wraith and Banshee. The latter is a good mini with a stupid paint scheme.

I like the Ghoul King sat astride the Terrogheist too. With a bit of leg repostioning and a suitably dramatic base he'd look great leading a regiment of Ghouls.

I love the terrorgheist, not so much the zombie dragon (the zombie dragon should have been more hulking like the vargulf imo, a larger chest to make it look more intimidating). The ghoul character looks epic and I see that mounted vampire being converted a lot into plastic blood knights (all the fantastic detail and options, all you need to do is swap out for a banner here or there). I would have liked to see a vampire with banner model that is not a blood knight. That said, initially I disliked the Wraith/Banshee but after a few more looks I started to like the wraith, but still am not a fan of the banshee. I think it's the really menacing look the wraith now has with the hunched features and massive weapon. All I'm wondering now is how well the model balances: I guess like any flying creature it will have many issues with being on slopes and such.

Anyone else thinking of using that mounted ghoul as a cheap Strigoi Vampire?

Love the graveyard, I will certainly be investing money in that, so long as it is not in excess of the manor house. Those mausoleums look fantastic and I'd like to see more like them floating around the fantasy terrain rather than the heman-esque that are now floating around (better known as 'fulcrums' - more like 'full'o'craps' because this the graveyard ****s all over them). It's good we're finally starting to see skulls where they belong: in the goddam cemetary. The front gate looks cheesy but absolutely spot on for fantasy.

Wraith has to be the first single-sprue character I like, however again I believe they'll be overcosted like the SoM characters ($22AUD for a single frame? $16 before GW sees any of my money for one of these).

Kind of odd that they make a model that near as damn it matches John Blanche's Abysaal Terror pic and then go and call it something else

1.) Wraith and Banshee ARE plastic, not metal or finecast (as said in the first post).
2.) Terrorgheist/ZombieDragon base is Arachnarok sized, so larger than for chariot or Skaven bell (as said in the first post).
3.) Archon court would be an awful choice for plastic blisters, as they are a choice noone takes so would sell badly. Better make popular HQ units in plastic.
4.) The Garden of Morr is modular. You can arrange the parts like in the picture or separate or easily combine 2-3 kits for a larger graveyard.

Vampire Counts are my favourite Warhammer Army by far - although I don't play I'm glad they are getting some new stuff. That Zombie Dragon is fantastic and the Wraith/Banshee are pretty nice too

The Garden of Morr is a great looking piece of terrain. As for the Herald, all it needs is a microphone

No Black Knights make me sad Oh well, just have to wait for the new edition in x years time

Temptation.....To Pay.....Likely Stupidly Large.......GW Price.......For Garden of Morr.....Too Strong...................

No Really I actually have to get that Garden of Morr, it's beautiful.

This is how long the Dark Eldar players have been waiting, I suppose we can wait for a little bit longer for the rest of the Nid stuff.

The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

Looks horrid trying to move models within it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

That particular picture does but I think that is more down to the fact that it has been assembled with every possible feature included. Much like the city fight ruin sets, you can choose to include as much or as little as you like. I think it is a good concept; I really do like the GW pre-fab terrain sets.

The wraiths, dragon and banshee look awesome, it's too bad they are terrible in terms of gameplay :(

I'll buy them since they are pretty cool but it's not like they will ever see an actual game table.

Another interesting thing to note is that the Wraith has two options for his face. I hope that's a sign of things to come...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Another interesting thing to note is that the Wraith has two options for his face. I hope that's a sign of things to come...

I do as well - if you've looked at the Modelling and Painting forums recently we've pretty much been showing what you can do with those plastic clampack models - every one so far has been most impressive and even unconverted they're a joy to paint as well.

This is seriously coming across as a good step in the right direction from GW for a change...

The Garden of Morr is epic. Sweet jesus. I don't even play fantasy but I am sure I could make that work for 40k scenery. Add a statue of a Space Marine somewhere or some Sister model. Sister Shrine/Graveyard almost.

Plastic character sprues could be a game breaker for GW. One that will really help the fan base at the moment. If it makes HMBC even slightly happy I am all green for go!

Kroothawk wrote:3.) Archon court would be an awful choice for plastic blisters, as they are a choice noone takes so would sell badly. Better make popular HQ units in plastic.

Not sure if I agree with you here, KH. These mono-pose plastic blisters are not really that great for HQs unless they are compatible the the plastic troops choices - for instance with the DE Archon.

I think that the ones we've seen so far have been much closer to something like the retinue, or having a plastic champion. I could almost see having a plastic Klaivex, or something along those lines.

Maybe a plastic Techmarine for SM. That is a sort of 40K equivalent for what they have brought out so far. None of these plastic blisters scream "Lord choice" to me. They all look more like "Hero choices" with their relative simplicity. I think that's partly what I like about them.

Kroothawk wrote:

And so a thousand Necron conversion ideas were born.

Indeed, that face is very Necron-y.

Brian Nelson, why you be trollin'?