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I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Ixquic wrote:Can you equip the wraith with any magic items? 50 points for 3 strength 5 WS3 attacks while being T3 with no save of any kind is a pretty bad deal. Ethereal is only so good.

Apparently there's an upgrade option for Wraiths, which lets them do one attack that automatically wounds and ignores armour saves. But I can't see them not getting the usual 50 point magic item allotment that all other heroes get.

Any news on the leadership of a wraith? That or their WS?

Methinks an ethereal crown of command skirmisher could be good...

From what people have said, it's the same stats as the Cairn Wraith choice but costs 10 points more.

If anybody has noticed the ur-ghul's skull was already sculpted on the back packs of the warriors and on the poles that adorn the raiders. i was first wondering what race they were. i guess the dark eldar also hunt and kill the ur-ghul's just like they hunt the kroothawks I love kroothawks skulls.

I honestly love the new Dark Eldar models, especially the Medusae. I don't use a court anyways, but I definitely won't buy them because I'm avoiding Finecast. The new Vampire Counts models also make me very happy, and I don't even play them! I am, however, playing with ideas to do a little work on the new Tomb Banshee and have her turned into a Dark Elf Sorceress. You can never have too many Sorceresses.

Janthkin wrote:<broadcast mode active: while I personally lament the lack of new tyranid models, that's not what this thread is about; stay on topic>

-Loki- wrote:

Ixquic wrote:Can you equip the wraith with any magic items? 50 points for 3 strength 5 WS3 attacks while being T3 with no save of any kind is a pretty bad deal. Ethereal is only so good.

Apparently there's an upgrade option for Wraiths, which lets them do one attack that automatically wounds and ignores armour saves. But I can't see them not getting the usual 50 point magic item allotment that all other heroes get.

I know you can't see that, but what I couldn't see was the actual thing that ALLOWED them to have it.

As near as I can tell, no. The "new" "heros" are not allowed to take magic items. You pay a premium for slightly different abilities and hero points, rather than rare points. Yee haw. So much for regenerating my desire to play VC. Oh wait, Terrorgheist... "2d6+ its remaining wounds - the enemy's LD= dead models." Yeah, I'll enjoy that one...

Looks like some good releases are comin up.

I'm just going to throw this out there but I love the idea of a Zombie Dragon.
As if a zombie wasn't terrifying enough and if dragons wern't also very terrifying they just had to go and make a ... Zombie .... Dragon, very good GW.

Man i want that grave yard for my slowly developing city board it would look awesome next to the Shrine of the Aquilla to bad its 70 bucks haha

-Loki- wrote:

zombie wrote:While I do like the dragon and the scenery I expect the cost of both in Oz will be over $100 each and unaffordable but neither are worth more than $50 to myself. I just have to wonder how much the sale restrictions have dropped total unit sales/

Gotta love how this pops up in just about every single thread. We get it, some Australians are pissy over the embargo.

Now, applying a little logic here, the Zombie Dragon should fetch about the price of the other large Fantasy models. High Elves Dragon, Dark Elves Black Dragon, Hell Pit Abomination, Chaos Lord on Manticore, even the ludicrously big dual kit Warsphinx/Necrosphinx box all fall into the $83au price bracket. One monster, the Arachnorok, falls into the $96au price bracket. The Zombie Dragon kit it likely to fall into the $96au bracket, since it's similarly sized (and used the Arachnorok base), but honestly I'd bet it'll fall into the $83au bracket.

Barring terrain, Warhammer Fantasy is actually the only range so far with models not in the $100au+ range. 40k has several in there, and LotR has the Mumakil. I do admit though, Fantasy has some ridiculous pricing. $83au for Archaon? What that feth.

Well the dragon almost got over $100 at $96 andthe garden is going to be closer to $80 than under $50

=I= White-Wolf wrote:Hey everyone,
Mostly all vampire stuff with some notable exceptions like Finecast Inquisitor Karamazov and the Hydra:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh
On my iPhone so can't exactly put up pics, so if someone could edit them in that would be awesome, anyway here are the American prices for comparison:
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon/Terrorgeist: $57.75 ($96 aus )
Wraiths and Tomb banshee (plastic): $13.25 each
Finecast Vlad and Konrad von Carstien: $18:50 each
Garden of Morr: $41.75
Finecast Inquisitor Karamazov: $53.75 ($90 aus )
DE War Hydra (finecast): $66 ($102 aus!)
DE Dreadlord on cold one (finecast): $25
DE Sorceress with skull staff (finecast): $15.25
WE Spellweaver with staff (finecast): $18.25

I can't wait to get my hand on that zombie dragon! Many many ideas running though my head! A bit sad about the lack of DE pre-orders but you know, one can live Really wanted to see the rest of the court...

I really like the new stuff and the fact that WD has new rules for them is just icing on the cake. With some luck they keep this up.

army310 wrote:I really like the new stuff and the fact that WD has new rules for them is just icing on the cake. With some luck they keep this up.

Yeah, I want 3 more vampire count units each month.

-Matt

That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Man i want that grave yard for my slowly developing city board it would look awesome next to the Shrine of the Aquilla to bad its 70 bucks haha

Hang on - if you're in the US, chief, then it has been quoted at a little over $40. The figure at ~$70 was in Singapore dollars, as I recall.

So after getting the White Dwarf, the banshee is 20 points more than she was before and the the wraith 10.

I can't see anyone using these in a list unless they are just jonesing to display the new models or something. Although sticking a banshee in a unit makes her more survivable, she will almost never make her points back unless someone decides to charge heavy cavalry into her unit like an idiot. Likewise the wraith is meh and if I really wanted 3 strength 5 attacks I'd shell out the extra 40 points for a Vampire and get better WS and a wizard. Ethereal is meaningless against most things anyway although I will admit that there is less stuff that will pick them out when they are leading a unit, only being T3 with 2W a goblin here will have no trouble killing either one. Vampire Counts are already fighting to fit heroes into their army so these being overpriced and not very useful will be a rough sell when the other choices are so much better.

NAVARRO wrote:That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

You must like it as a Terrorgeist, though, right? I agree that the dragon-form is not a world ender... but the terrorgeist is amazing, imo!

A shame about the two dark eldar models being only half what is needed to make a court... I have the codex, am starting the army, and didn't know this . Now, I'm less enthused... even at that price point, I would have eventually bought a court with how much I like those models. But with only half of those needed available, I probably won't...

Not a huge deal, but also something that just makes no sense- unless GW are planning to release the others soon, which would make me personally happy but maybe not too many others

RiTides wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

You must like it as a Terrorgeist, though, right? I agree that the dragon-form is not a world ender... but the terrorgeist is amazing, imo!

Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

So after getting the White Dwarf, the banshee is 20 points more than she was before and the the wraith 10.

Yeah I noticed that, but it's because they're Heroes (it still doesn't replace the Rare choice) and I guess unit protection etc is the reason for the points rise, as well as allowing the units they join to cause Terror. Personally I'd like to use a Banshee in a unit of Ghouls or a Wraith to bolster some Skeletons on the cheap if the points were available. It adds variety even thouhg the other heroes are probably better - at least now you could have a Banshee Spam! list

NAVARRO wrote:Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

I can see that... I felt that way about the Arachnorak or whatever it is (giant spider) a bit. Starts to look like a toy at that scale, unless they get really detailed with it... still, this one I find awesome

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

This one, I believe.

RiTides wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

I can see that... I felt that way about the Arachnorak or whatever it is (giant spider) a bit. Starts to look like a toy at that scale, unless they get really detailed with it... still, this one I find awesome

Arachnorak is still on my to-buy-or-not list I look at it and see a big crab but also a world of cool convos... and yes the head is also VERY goofy with even a ridiculous pair of nostrils Easy to fix though. Funny while GW is going GET BIG MONSTA TO KILL BIGGA MONSTA path I'm going 15mm

I have zero interest in the arachnarok or however you spell it. The terrorgheist tickles my fancy though.

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

Blast from the past. I have the fire dragon version of that somewhere in the back of my closet.

I'm trying to sell it but apparently no body wants to give this little fella a home !

NAVARRO wrote:Arachnorak is still on my to-buy-or-not list I look at it and see a big crab but also a world of cool convos... and yes the head is also VERY goofy with even a ridiculous pair of nostrils Easy to fix though. Funny while GW is going GET BIG MONSTA TO KILL BIGGA MONSTA path I'm going 15mm

Agreed (with Da Boss as well)... it would probably also help their cause if cannons weren't so crazy in 8th edition that people are scared to put riders on monstrous mounts

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

If you like that you can keep it the new one looks great. I really don't see why everyone is hating on the new Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon, the free bits you get are cool you can make a Ghoul King on foot from the bits the only thing that kinda sucks is the cost, but at that its not too bad.

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.