Imperial Armor Apocalypse Second Edition Unit Reviews (Eldar added pg1)

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**theironjef**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
theironjef wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:I'm not saying that the Achilles isn't a piece of turd, it is. It's just not as bad as people claim, but it's IA so it's the Devil by default.

And this is where you and I part ways. I don't care where you found a poop! Put it down! It's a poop! Poop you found in the Museum of Metropolitan Art is exactly as fecal as poop found in an alley behind a bar! They are equally poop! Some of the IA stuff is neat, some of it is ill-conceived (seriously why does all the ork stuff have invuln saves, can someone who's read the book explain this), but the stuff that is ridiculously bad design should be vilified. Not because it's unfair or overpowered, but because it's bad design!

Poop! From a butt!

Vilified because it is bad? Yes. Vilifying all of IA because some stuff is a bit silly? No. To continue with your poop analogy, should you shut down all pubs in the country because you found poop in an alley next to one, but still keep the Museum of Metropolitan Art open, despite finding a turd there?

Well ultimately i want the people at FW to say (and yes this is basically just idle dreaming) "whoops, we jolly well bodged that job what what!" (in my idle dreams they are extra british). Then they realize that you can't justify a poorly-designed unit just by making it more point-heavy, and they rewrite the thing to strip one or two of it's endless list of superfluous defenses down a peg, and everyone is happy and they get to do drink tea with a Vicar and a ... I dunno, a chimneysweep.

**Macok**

As an Eldar player I hate AV14 lance-immune with all my heart.

**AlmightyWalrus**

theironjef wrote:
Well ultimately i want the people at FW to say (and yes this is basically just idle dreaming) "whoops, we jolly well bodged that job what what!" (in my idle dreams they are extra british). Then they realize that you can't justify a poorly-designed unit just by making it more point-heavy, and they rewrite the thing to strip one or two of it's endless list of superfluous defenses down a peg, and everyone is happy and they get to do drink tea with a Vicar and a ... I dunno, a chimneysweep.

I'm with you on that, but I also don't see why we would allow stuff like Long Fangs, Psyflemen and Manticores while ALL IA stuff is a big no-no.

**-Loki-**

Yeah, I mean, I'm all for FW accepting responsibility for a poorly designed unit. But then, I'd like GW do do the same. 'Sorry we thought a dreadnought with lightning claws that generates unlimited extra attacks as long as it keeps causing wounds at S6, that can be mounted in a flying transport was a good idea, we'll get right on fixing that'.

**Illumini**

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, I mean, I'm all for FW accepting responsibility for a poorly designed unit. But then, I'd like GW do do the same. 'Sorry we thought a dreadnought with lightning claws that generates unlimited extra attacks as long as it keeps causing wounds at S6, that can be mounted in a flying transport was a good idea, we'll get right on fixing that'.

Lol, that was the most broken GW thing you could come up with? Those horrible OP lists that just spam blood talon dreads are wrecking 40k!!!

Blood talons are barely competitive.

I'll help you along with a real example of something that should be retconned to hell with squats:
Psychostroke grenades