Rank each race's basic wepaons

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**OzTeG8ndPwRfl**

Hellguns are now primary weapons for humanity. They officially deserve a rating in my opinion.

**Co'tor Shas**

Only for ST's. And isn't it hot-shot lasguns now, which, IIRC, are actually worse (fluffwise)?
I'll think about it's rating though (shorter range, great AP, lower ammunition for hot-shot, same but with more damage and ammunition, but with back pack for hellgun).

**OzTeG8ndPwRfl**

Are not the troops of the Tempest Scions Storm Troopers?

**Co'tor Shas**

Yes, I know. I just look at them like I look at IKs. It is a supplemental codex and nothing more. If I included then I would have to include codex supplements, and then I would have to rate all the crisis weapons too (suits as troops, thus basic).

**Furyou Miko**

Well, if we're including the Scion's hot-shots in the list;

Judging off a scale of Poor, Fair, Good and High, in terms of stopping power, range, versatility, ammunition capacity and reliability;

1. Gauss Flayer (Good stopping power, good range, high versatility, infinite ammunition, high reliability)
2. Pulse Rifle (High stopping power, high range, good versatility, fair ammunition, good reliability)
3. Shuriken Catapult (Good stopping power, good versatility, high ammunition, poor range, good reliability)
4. Splinter Rifle (High stopping power, good range, poor versatility, good ammunition, good reliability)
5. Bolter (Good stopping power, good range, fair versatility, poor ammunition, poor reliability)
6. Ork Shoota (Good stopping power, fair range, fair versatility, fair ammunition, poor reliability)
6. Lasgun (Fair stopping power, good range, good versatility, good ammunition, high reliability)
8. Fleshborer (Fair stopping power, poor range, poor versatility, good ammunition, high reliability)

There you go.

**Co'tor Shas**

Wait did you forget hot-shots

?

I guess I'll do it using your method.
(fair stopping power, short range, high versatility, fair ammunition, high reliability)

**Daba**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Wait did you forget hot-shots ?

I guess I'll do it using your method.
(fair stopping power, short range, high versatility, fair ammunition, high reliability)

Hotshots are not reliable. They drop from Lasgun reliability to Bolter reliability.

Their ammo is no good either, as they don't get the rechargeable battery any more needing a bigger pack or far fewer shots, and both those make it less versitile. Lasers can be 'big impact' weapons (Lascannons) but it probably needs to be designed from the ground up - the Eldar have variations that are basically melee weapons compared with their normal laser weapons.

Hot shots would be:

Good stopping power, fair range, poor versatility, poor ammunition, poor reliability.

Overall in background, Hot Shots are low tier weapons that are only used for specialist purposes (basically more damage) at expense of all else. Their only saving grace is they're cheaper than a Bolter, which sort of carries the same role but are better in other areas.

**Furyou Miko**

No, I didn't forget hotshots.

I upgraded the Lasgun's "versatility" to "good".

See? Hot-shots.

**Co'tor Shas**

Oh, hot shot packs. I guess that makes sense.

**Furyou Miko**

Unlike GW's previous stance, I wholly believe that a hot-shot lasgun is still a lasgun.

**Co'tor Shas**

I thought there were two different thing, hellguns which are a souped up lasgun that requires a power pack, and lasguns that use hot-shot las packs (having pitiful ammunition).

**Psienesis**

Depends on who you read.

**Bobthehero**

Average reliability, and they can be charged up like standard lasgun packs.

There's a also this annoying memory of me reading something where it says they have millions of shots thanks to the battery, but I am starting to think its BS, since I can't find it.

**Furyou Miko**

Bob, you're probably thinking of the Triplex Pattern Assault Laser, which has a focussing lens rated for a thousand shots before it needs replacing (Kage goes through all 1000 in about ten minutes).

Hellguns are specific weapons - lasers, yes, but fundamentally different in their construction. Hot-shot Lasguns are just regular lasguns with an overcharged power pack.