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Not to mention that Polish resistance forces fashioned flamethrowers out of the junk they found lying around that were capable of killing Panzer tanks.

any Flame based weapon could "Kill" a panzer, quite quickly might I add. the Russians would use molotov cocktails in replace of AT grenades.

Since when was understanding that you could not win and so instead chose to retreat in order to preserve your forces (which would enable them to join up with other allied forces later) bad?

I didn't say they were incompetent. They made a choice that relied on luck. (When I say luck, I mean that USA and Britain/France were the only countries in the war that wouldn't shoot them on site.

The Polish squadrons in the RAF shot down more enemy planes in the Battle of Britain than any other. They were definitely not incompetent

this quote shows the skills and luck this individual pilot had, not what his original army could do. Albert Einstein was German and helped create Nuclear weapons. But German on itself didn't, mind you they were close to it.

Germany didn't have Feynman though.

Also, do you comprehend just how difficult it is to use a Molotov?

You don't just throw them at the tank and the flames sink in the cracks and burn the crew. You have to apply Molotov to Exhaust Pipe.

My only complaint with the Kiegers is that there are no snipers in the Death Korps.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Germany didn't have Feynman though.

Also, do you comprehend just how difficult it is to use a Molotov?

You don't just throw them at the tank and the flames sink in the cracks and burn the crew. You have to apply Molotov to Exhaust Pipe.

Or the drivers hatch, or the Copula, or anywhere on the engine exhaust vents. (which we were not protected and quite large and exposed)

And the actual use of a Molotov isn't hard to use at all... I'm not sure what you're confusing it with. Any jury rigged bottle gasoline/petrol or a napalm-like mixture, with some motor oil added, and usually a source of ignition such as a burning cloth wick held in place by the bottle's stopper.

By 'use', I mean 'effectively deploy against a tank'.

 Sillycybin wrote:
Wow this thread is infuriating...

First of all anyone who thinks the universe needs to be more realistic or lose the necrons , tyranids or generally hates on powerarmour should just go play historical. Seriously, go take your ww1 and play a ww1 game. No? Ok, then your here to travel space and fight space aliens and robots.

Second each space marine chapter has its own fluff and can be interesting and fitting or uninteresting not fitting. Surely a blanket statement like DKOK > (ALL) SM is meant to troll and cause anger among the community.

Third DKoK plot is about as original as samurai jack Draigo. They are cut and paste clonetroopers from starwars mashed with ww1 soldiers and a pet project of the forgeworld designers. That isn't to say they are not a cool force or they have no place!

Your "Muh favourite army is better then yours" thread is really childish.

Far from it,
I never asked for the entire universe to become more realistic simply for "humans " to be more relatable, and it's obvious this thread has taken a turn for the worst long ago...
I will again state;
There are so many rich stories of human and mortal interaction with a grimdark verse with impossible odds.
The reason DKOK runs me up the wrong way, is that by making them so inhuman that they've become more robotic unfeeling and ultimately somehow more mentally stable for warfare than space marines.. Which are supposedly better in every way.
I was simply commenting that I find DKOK fluff disingenuous to the franchise,

But like most forums amongst our kind people have assumed much from the title, read little of the intervening text, taken other peoples words out of context, thrown the word TROLL around for good measure just in case anyone thought you could have friendly if not civil conversation with strangers on the interwebs, now if you don't mind I have youtubes of cats to watch.

Seriously though, if you do not like the opinion, and if the fact there is thread that voices opinions that run counter to yours INFURIATES you so much, feel free not to join in.. I'm sure you could use LESS stress in your life.


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 kinratha wrote:

And the actual use of a Molotov isn't hard to use at all... I'm not sure what you're confusing it with. Any jury rigged bottle gasoline/petrol or a napalm-like mixture, with some motor oil added, and usually a source of ignition such as a burning cloth wick held in place by the bottle's stopper.

All of which were incredibly hard to find during the war..
Not to mention simple tasks get more than a little harder when your trying to keep you head down at the same time...

Reading journals from Australian front of Gallipoli lately, it was suprisingly difficult to take a gak anywhere but a tunnel, even trenches were often not as deep as the movies and photos lead us to believe.. If it's that hard to take a gak.. If hate to be the guy everyone is counting on to NOT waste the last of the oil you could siphon out of the motor bike with ought leaving it in-operable

All of which were incredibly hard to find during the war..
Not to mention simple tasks get more than a little harder when your trying to keep you head down at the same time...

Reading journals from Australian front of Gallipoli lately, it was suprisingly difficult to take a gak anywhere but a tunnel, even trenches were often not as deep as the movies and photos lead us to believe.. If it's that hard to take a gak.. If hate to be the guy everyone is counting on to NOT waste the last of the oil you could siphon out of the motor bike with ought leaving it in-operable

Not as hard to find then a Anti-Tank weapon. And of course everything is harder when you're trying not to get shot.
either Throwing a grenade (or cocktail) to using a AT weapon. Simple tasks as just thinking strait become hard when bullets wiz by your head.

I suppose that's why they called them veterans and heroes

Veterans are just the ones that survive. Heroes are the ones that did something stupid, and usually survived.