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Like what I'm hearing. I think this is the KS Dungeon Crawler I've been waiting for!

Some of the minis are a little less stylised than I might have hoped for, but still solid.

Expected delivery of Next year... that makes me sad... Like way sad, I was expecting a faster turn around from CMON, kinda like Black Plague, June to Dec, 8ish months... I mean whats another 4, but still sad.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Expected delivery of Next year... that makes me sad... Like way sad, I was expecting a faster turn around from CMON, kinda like Black Plague, June to Dec, 8ish months... I mean whats another 4, but still sad.

Well I'm still waiting for most of my BP pledge...

I'm still waiting for any of my BP pledge...

I got the impression that there is definitely carry over for your characters - there will be pads to keep track of the info, you'll write everything down, build your character, become attached, and then cry a lot when they die!

And thanks DaveC for all those notes - much appreciated!

KS aiming for end of May beginning of June, To deliver in April or May 2017

If the KS will launch in a couple weeks, that explains the sudden ramp in publicity.

April 2017 is nearly a year after launch, but I assume they have high hopes for the campaign and are building time to deliver.

They should be OK with that estimate - especially as CNY is in late January in 2017.

The publicity is working on me too - I'm really looking forward to this one!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

KS aiming for end of May beginning of June, To deliver in April or May 2017

If the KS will launch in a couple weeks, that explains the sudden ramp in publicity.

April 2017 is nearly a year after launch, but I assume they have high hopes for the campaign and are building time to deliver.

Just watched the video and they imply that they're baking in more time than they need, because they know Chinese New Year habitually screws up their plans. The way they make it sound, it looks like they may release sooner, but just want to give a really conservative date.

They outright say its all about stretch-goals as the core game tooling is done and could begin production right now.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Expected delivery of Next year... that makes me sad... Like way sad, I was expecting a faster turn around from CMON, kinda like Black Plague, June to Dec, 8ish months... I mean whats another 4, but still sad.

Well I'm still waiting for most of my BP pledge...

I took from the campaign updates they started delivery at the beginning of Dec? Are you an unfortunate exception that hasn't gotten theirs yet?

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Expected delivery of Next year... that makes me sad... Like way sad, I was expecting a faster turn around from CMON, kinda like Black Plague, June to Dec, 8ish months... I mean whats another 4, but still sad.

Well I'm still waiting for most of my BP pledge...

I took from the campaign updates they started delivery at the beginning of Dec? Are you an unfortunate exception that hasn't gotten theirs yet?

They delivered the core game then, which I have. We're still waiting on everything else (SG and add-ons).

If they deliver the core for Holiday 2016, that would be pretty awesome.

Oh ok, kinda like what Kingdom Death monster did. Im a big fan of multiple waves. So if I could get the core game This year and then wait for the extras thats cool. After the wait for KD:M nothing could be as bad...

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Expected delivery of Next year... that makes me sad... Like way sad, I was expecting a faster turn around from CMON, kinda like Black Plague, June to Dec, 8ish months... I mean whats another 4, but still sad.

Well I'm still waiting for most of my BP pledge...

I took from the campaign updates they started delivery at the beginning of Dec? Are you an unfortunate exception that hasn't gotten theirs yet?

By the sound of this I guess I should be worried that I haven't recieved anything at all?...

CMoN did waves for Zc2 and Zc3, with the core box coming out, followed by the expansions. In general, if they can get the core box shipping for holiday, that's good for CMoN. It clears warehouse space and allows them to recognize revenue, and release into retail distribution. Then, when the expansions arrive, it's kind of a relaunch.

While CMoN is more likely to deliver everything, and more-or-less on time. As for "bad", that's when you don't / won't get your stuff. Robotech Wave 2, for example. At least KD:M delivered, and the stuff was awesome.

@plastictrees I got my core box. I'm in Ontario.

@DaveC Thanks for the summary!

Cmon did waves for almost every mini game they made. I remember recieving zombicide season 1, wave 1 which consisted of three promos and the core game. The add ons and remainder of the promos came months later. I'm sure the others will be the same situation.

The same happened for rivet wars, rum and bones, etc.

The only cmon game that arrived in one wave was blood rage, which was a smaller campaign with few stretch goals.

 455_PWR wrote:
Cmon did waves for almost every mini game they made. I remember recieving zombicide season 1, wave 1 which consisted of three promos and the core game. The add ons and remainder of the promos came months later. I'm sure the others will be the same situation.

The same happened for rivet wars, rum and bones, etc.

The only cmon game that arrived in one wave was blood rage, which was a smaller campaign with few stretch goals.

Really? My Rum and Bones was just one wave, and I had plenty of add-ons.

On topic, I want a date for the campaign!

End of May/Beginning of June is about as specific as I've seen so far...

Pretty sure "almost" means "most, but not all".

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Pretty sure "almost" means "most, but not all".

Indeed it does, but Rum and Bones was listed as one that shipped in multiple waves. At least for me, it was not in waves.

And I do wish they'd be a bit more specific than late May/early June, but that's just me being impatient.

Oh, OK. I didn't back R&B, so I missed that particular point, sorry.

I'm not that worried -- it's less than a month at this point.

Im glad it is in a month, gives me a chance to save up. Hopefully Black Plague 2 will be in Oct.

I want a date too.

Also besides Rum & Bones, Arcadia Quest, Dogs of War, Cadwallon, Wrath of Kings, Kaosball, Smog, B-Sieged, the first Xenoshyft, and the base campaign were all single shipments.

Just saying.

I've played a lot of dungeon bash games, but gotten rid of just about all of them because they never quite seem to deliver what I want.

What I want is something that plays with the elegance and speed of a good Eurogame (2 hours tops for experienced players), and has the same kind tactical and strategic depth. Descent is deep but slow. The D&D spinoffs, and SDE, have the double whammy of being shallow and slow. At that point you may as well play Munchkin, which is shallow and slow but is at least funny, sometimes.

Might grab this one, but, meh, I am looking at the minis and wishing they had vaguely realistic weapons, and thinking about the amount of converting I would need to do to make that happen... :(

Z:BP was the first CMON product I backed and played. So far I have absolutely loved it and had a great time playing it, knowing that the rest of the stuff will be here shortly is very exciting. That is why I'm pumped about Massive Darkness! A dungeon crawler with the same style of play, but with all the fun of the exploration, etc., is very appealing to me. I can't wait!

Has anyone heard a firm date for the ks yet?

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
At that point you may as well play Munchkin, which is shallow and slow but is at least funny, sometimes.

A game where the best strategy is Screw the Leader / Kingmaker isn't nearly as fun as it sounds.

 Grumpae wrote:


Has anyone heard a firm date for the ks yet?

No.

Least, not that I've seen!

Given that the shipments holding wave 2 of Black Plague will be arriving within the next couple weeks I suspect they will wait until the first customers start to receive Black Plague before launching Massive Darkness just to avoid complaints.

@JohnHwangDo, no, indeed. Sorry -- by "might as well play Munchkin", I am not in any way suggesting that I enjoy playing Munchkin. There are some good jokes, the first time you play, but I would prefer to just read Dork Tower.

On the upside it does not require much setup. So if you are going to make me play a long, shallow dungeon bash, it is marginally better than Super Dungeon Explore.

No biggie. I had more fun reading the cards than actually playing the game. I cannot imagine why it sells as well as it does. Maybe people only buy it for the jokes?