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Damn loving those destroyers!

EDIT: Damnit, I need to stop skipping to the end to reply.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It absolutely happens.

There's a few Ork players selling their army on facebook groups as I write this.

They don't seem to be interested in playing 40k for the foreseeable. I'm not saying it's common but it definitely happens.

I don't see how GW suffers if somebody has collected a full army and then sells it on second hand.

The hobby is much better off without people so childish that they will actually sell off an army they're apparently passionate about BECAUSE MINIATURES ARE RELEASED FOR OTHER ARMIES.

That makes no sense. If they're that delicate then I certainly don't want to play against them.

zerosignal wrote:
It is, in fact, only GW's fault that they haven't even got plastic kits for all of the entries in the Codex.

Let me run that by you again.

I can't actually buy kits in plastic for all of the units.

They need to fill the holes in their line before starting new ranges. They have had, in fact, ELEVENTY BILLION FETHING YEARS to do this.

I don't see why that's a problem. I had a metal and hybrid army of Thousand Sons for, ooh, 20 years until the Codex and kits were released recently. They had all 20 years of my patronage to release that army in plastic. They did not. The status quo was that if I wanted to collect the army I was passionate about collecting, I would need to do so via classic metal models, the hybrid plastic and metal models and so on, so I did. When other miniatures for other armies were released (in plastic), that status quo had not changed. There was, therefore, no reason for me to be upset, disappointed and especially not angry. Everything was normal. Then they released some absolutely excellent plastic kits, a primarch, militia, etc. That was great. I was super happy about that.

I also managed that whole 20 years without complaining on internet message boards about how a situation had remained static. I realise that probably seems a bit odd. But anybody can do it.

Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

Good ole Gdubs..

 Captain Joystick wrote:
There's no source, that's the point. It's a useless, annoying, cyclical argument that dakkanauts in general (and English Gentleman in particular) have brought up every time someone says they want plastic battle sisters (or decent rules for battle sisters, or an explanation on how their special rules are supposed to work in a new edition, or for them to acknowledge that they even exist in the setting!)

If it stings too much, take heart in the fact that you won't be putting up with it for 20 years, or that you'll definitely be getting your codex (with or without a fix to the underlying problem) well before the sisters do.

You just couldn't help but join in the fun huh?

There is a difference between going 4 years without an update when almost your entire line is in plastic and getting nothing for 20 years.

If Orks ever went so long without an update I would concede the same of them (or any other race). The problem with you Sisters fanatics is that you take everything so personally. Really we all know that if Sisters' WERE as popular as you guys claim, this would've been done a long time ago. I have conceded time and time again that the market may have changed but you lot are so defensive, petty and pathetic that you vilify anyone that dare suggest Sisters haven't sold historically. It's laughable really.

 ekwatts wrote:
I don't see how GW suffers if somebody has collected a full army and then sells it on second hand.

The hobby is much better off without people so childish that they will actually sell off an army they're apparently passionate about BECAUSE MINIATURES ARE RELEASED FOR OTHER ARMIES.

That makes no sense. If they're that delicate then I certainly don't want to play against them.

They suffer because people aren't spending money on their products. Let me break it down for you -

8th Ed has brought in a raft of new and returning players. Some of these players have wads of cash to spend. Of those players another subset would be "Ork fanboys" who only want to spend money on Ork related products. GW aren't releasing Ork related products. Ork fanboys get bored of waiting for stuff to spend their wads of cash on. They spend their cash on other things and drift away from the hobby.

These people won't go out with a big "OMIGOD IM LEAVING FOR GUD THIS TIME GUAYZ!" post on here or social media. They probably aren't super passionate about 40k. They will simply see that their faction has nothing new, time and time again, eventually get bored, stop looking and stop playing. These are the players that GW risk losing and if I'm honest they make up the majority of the gains that 8th brought in. They managed to bring in a load of casuals and they will potentially lose them just as fast.

Aah cool, where have they said that then?

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

 Crimson wrote:
Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

I thought the same. Read the GW "official" press release they put up and they mentioned a matched play one is on the works it's just further out, and it'll also be free.

It almost sounds like the PL one is like a public beta test before they tackle the fancier matched play system.

 Crimson wrote:

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

It's two different army builders. The FREE one (like Warscroll builder) will use Power Level, the Warhammer Ap which will come out later will have points.

From the Warhammer Community Page

Don’t worry, matched play fans – we haven’t forgotten you! Combat Roster will later be joined by a Warhammer 40,000 app, a bespoke digital companion to the 41st Millennium, which will feature a matched play list builder.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

 Crimson wrote:

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

The video said they were STARTING with power levels. That inferes points will be implemented after.

Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

Any other big news from those going or reported around?

There's got to be more than just GW and new models from Dropfleet. Anything from Warmachine or Hordes or Reaper or anyone else in the mini world ?

So....... When does Adepticon end? I'm looking forward to the new FAQ more than anything else.

Well, if you want news from other companies:

Arena Rex has two new models there for sale; a Tiger and an Exiled gladiator. He brings a faction card for himself.

And the first of the Greek faction are shown in images, but no rules or models yet.

even if its just power levels, it would be a nice way to flesh out the list, print it up with an easy to read format and then scribble in points using a pencil.... Unless they make the program output a really bad format

 nordsturmking wrote:
Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

So where is Tony Grippando?
Wasn't he suppose to defend his "Best sportmanships award" from last years adepticon?

 nordsturmking wrote:
Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

Read #12's descriptions of the Ynnari detachment. I like that this was accepted. "Cat Lady"

Have any of hte dexes launched with models? I dont need models, I have almost 15 000 points of stuff... I need rules that cut that total down to 11 000

 Overread wrote:
In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

I definitely like the tripartite version the most for the UCM destroyed kit. I haven't paid attention since the kickstarter began delivering (I bought into Halo Fleet Battles instead unfortunately)... Are their subsequent releases resin like in DZC?

 warboss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

I definitely like the tripartite version the most for the UCM destroyed kit. I haven't paid attention since the kickstarter began delivering (I bought into Halo Fleet Battles instead unfortunately)... Are their subsequent releases resin like in DZC?

Well I recently received my first TT Combat made dropfleet stuff and I was not happy if i'm honest, the old stuff was cast by the #1 resin production company in the UK and was priced accordingly. The New stuff is cast in house and is as rough as a badgers back side despite costing the same.

The resin is the hard dark gray type I have seen used by the Chinese recasters, nothing fits to gather flush or even matches up at all in some cases. Not sure if this is an issue with the molds,material or casting but I ordered some of the exclusives they put up at launch so fingers crossed the retail stuff might be the normal type and quality expected will wait for reviews before any more purchases of dropfleet or drop commander.

I think part.of the issue is they seem to have recast some plastic components in resin without factoring in shrinkage but who knows.

The dropfleet stuff looks really good and I don't even play but I might buy that model.

Their twitch chat is sub only, sigh.

 Crimson wrote:
Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

They don't want to give you the points without you buying the books.

 Crimson wrote:
Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

It's definitely annoying, especially since the AoS builder includes points (which also otherwise requires purchasing books to access).

Power levels are so simplistic, having an army builder solely for them kinda defeats the purpose of having an army builder...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

It's definitely annoying, especially since the AoS builder includes points (which also otherwise requires purchasing books to access).

I thought they said that a different version of the army builder is coming like Azyr in the aos app. Azyr has a £1 a month subscription so it is not free, but much cheaper than buying army books especially if you play more than one faction.
I imagine the 40k one will be similar.
I also think they are trying to push power levels a bit more.

Chikout wrote:

I also think they are trying to push power levels a bit more.

I totally agree, I prefer PL so I'm happy. not that I'm against points.

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

I definitely like the tripartite version the most for the UCM destroyed kit. I haven't paid attention since the kickstarter began delivering (I bought into Halo Fleet Battles instead unfortunately)... Are their subsequent releases resin like in DZC?

Well I recently received my first TT Combat made dropfleet stuff and I was not happy if i'm honest, the old stuff was cast by the #1 resin production company in the UK and was priced accordingly. The New stuff is cast in house and is as rough as a badgers back side despite costing the same.

The resin is the hard dark gray type I have seen used by the Chinese recasters, nothing fits to gather flush or even matches up at all in some cases. Not sure if this is an issue with the molds,material or casting but I ordered some of the exclusives they put up at launch so fingers crossed the retail stuff might be the normal type and quality expected will wait for reviews before any more purchases of dropfleet or drop commander.

I think part.of the issue is they seem to have recast some plastic components in resin without factoring in shrinkage but who knows.

Really? That is very disappointing. I had no complaints about my old Hawk ships, so this is bad news.

Yep, what's also odd is I had some TT Combat resin terrain bits and they were absolutely superbly done - some of the best resin I've received. Very light grey, and beautifully cast.

That doesn't bode well for the future.