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 Melissia wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false.

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

Harlequins aren't Age of Sigmar.

One codex update we knew was coming. Incredible. Funnily enough, it's also paired alongside two Imperial codexes.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false.

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

Harlequins aren't Age of Sigmar.

One codex update we knew was coming. Incredible. Funnily enough, it's also paired alongside two Imperial codexes.

Moving the goalposts, I see.

You said, and I quote, "nothing but Imperial releases as usual", when there was provably more than Imperial releases; you're posting ridiculous hyperbole. Hell, I'd even agree too damn many space marine releases this edition, both imperial or otherwise. But there ARE xenos releases every now and then at least.

I'm going to retype the first line of my post again.

GW is a model company.

We have seen one Xenos MODEL released or previewed along with almost all the Xenos CODEX BOOKS. Nobody is claiming that Xenos are not getting CODEX BOOKS, they are claiming they are getting no MODELS, which is patently true.

And just for HBMC, I'll retype another line:

Even if we don't count Necromunda,

despite the fact that the Necromunda models are imperial, human citizens, using imperial weapons (lasguns, powerfists, plasma pistols, stubbers etc), I'll even not count them. Here's the list again, with no Necromunda.

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character

Here, again for reference, is the "list" of xenos models we have seen since the release of 8th:

-Plastic Necron Cryptek model

If we were even seeing cute one-off plastic clampack characters again like we used to see with the 7th ed codexes, I wouldn't be particularly annoyed, but now we're only seeing them for imperial releases and not for xenos. Given that the preview included "LOOK at this GREAT PURPLE SPIKEY MAGIC BALL, OOOOOOOOOOOOH" I'm guessing we're not getting a character clampack for DE or Harlequins.

I'm to the point where I'm looking at every single release and wondering whether there's something I could do with them to add to my xenos armies. Could I turn Goliaths into Digganobz? Could these fish elves work as a substitute for any of the crappy dark eldar Finecast kits? Daughters of Khaine are kind of like wyches, and they also wear masks, Harlequins wear masks, hmm...

8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The original Last Stand at Glazer's Creek was one of my favorite printed battle reports, outlining that kind of narrative scenario that was still the norm back in Rogue Trader and slowly took the backseat to tournament-style formalized play. I hope the sequel does it justice and isn't just a straight-up 1850 per side affair.

It wasn't a Rogue Trader battle report as far as I can tell. It was either very late 2nd or early 3rd edition as seen HERE in an old thread.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

So if I tell you I'm going to come over and punch you in the face, and then I follow through and do it, do you forfeit any right to be annoyed about that because I told you beforehand?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The original Last Stand at Glazer's Creek was one of my favorite printed battle reports, outlining that kind of narrative scenario that was still the norm back in Rogue Trader and slowly took the backseat to tournament-style formalized play. I hope the sequel does it justice and isn't just a straight-up 1850 per side affair.

It wasn't a Rogue Trader battle report as far as I can tell. It was either very late 2nd or early 3rd edition as seen HERE in an old thread.

Late 2nd You can tell by the 40k font on the article.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Late 2nd You can tell by the 40k font on the article.

Tis indeed. White Dwarf 226 saw the release of 3rd edition.

I miss Pretorian's... (Hint hint GW made to order!)

They really shouldn’t remake all those space marines, they don’t sell and fund the development of all those other factions . It also takes so long to copy paste the basic forms in CAD and adjust them just a bit to make a blood angel from a basic marine file , after all it’s so much easier to come up with and design new units and fluff for factions which sell like hot cakes. Just think off all the factions a newtyranid creature could ally with that everyone would buy 3+ of the sets just to expand their army. They should read the rules and history of 40K, there’s billions of Eldar running around, the imperium just keeps tripping over Exarchs while fetching the Emperor his coffee.

I tried to use as much hyperbole as the last page, but it just isn’t possible.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

They haven't just "focused". Excluding a single, Necron Cryptek model there has not been a SINGLE NEW MODEL FOR ANY XENO ARMY.

That isn't focus, it's exclusion.

You'll also note that every single preview of any model from Adepticon was also Imperium. Running until 2019 with the plastic Sisters release. So we have nothing new to look forward to until after that? Woop de fething do.

I guess my money's going to other things, I won't be forced into buying new Imperial models to convert to an army they should have released.

GW did this earlier in the year with the Custardes release that left a very sour taste in some players' mouths. They've repeated the same, stupid mistake and ultimately it will hurt the hobby as people will leave or stop playing.

I'm just a bit miffed that there doesn't seem to be any Adeptus Titanicus news.... again. :-(

 Theophony wrote:
They really shouldn’t remake all those space marines, they don’t sell and fund the development of all those other factions . It also takes so long to copy paste the basic forms in CAD and adjust them just a bit to make a blood angel from a basic marine file , after all it’s so much easier to come up with and design new units and fluff for factions which sell like hot cakes. Just think off all the factions a newtyranid creature could ally with that everyone would buy 3+ of the sets just to expand their army. They should read the rules and history of 40K, there’s billions of Eldar running around, the imperium just keeps tripping over Exarchs while fetching the Emperor his coffee.

I tried to use as much hyperbole as the last page, but it just isn’t possible.

Are we doing the chicken-not-the-egg argument of "your faction has less model support because you have fewer players, the fewer players has nothing to do with the lack of model support" in a thread where GW announced plastic sisters with a video highlighting the massive desire for those models?

Because I'm certain you're not saying that the new adeptus custodes, inquisitor eisenhorn, sly marbo and two new freaking superheavies are basic work-of-a-day CAD swaps, that'd be silly as all get out. And I'm also pretty sure you're not arguing that there were more pre-existing imperial knight, adeptus custodes and catachan model collectors than there were people collecting Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, that'd be a bit of a wild claim as well.

I was about to type up a response, but then refreshed and saw [b]the_scotsman[b] already said what I was about to say.

Supply and demand are not independent.

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm going to retype the first line of my post again.

GW is a model company.

We have seen one Xenos MODEL released or previewed along with almost all the Xenos CODEX BOOKS. Nobody is claiming that Xenos are not getting CODEX BOOKS, they are claiming they are getting no MODELS, which is patently true.

And just for HBMC, I'll retype another line:

Even if we don't count Necromunda,

despite the fact that the Necromunda models are imperial, human citizens, using imperial weapons (lasguns, powerfists, plasma pistols, stubbers etc), I'll even not count them. Here's the list again, with no Necromunda.

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character

Here, again for reference, is the "list" of xenos models we have seen since the release of 8th:

-Plastic Necron Cryptek model

If we were even seeing cute one-off plastic clampack characters again like we used to see with the 7th ed codexes, I wouldn't be particularly annoyed, but now we're only seeing them for imperial releases and not for xenos. Given that the preview included "LOOK at this GREAT PURPLE SPIKEY MAGIC BALL, OOOOOOOOOOOOH" I'm guessing we're not getting a character clampack for DE or Harlequins.

I'm to the point where I'm looking at every single release and wondering whether there's something I could do with them to add to my xenos armies. Could I turn Goliaths into Digganobz? Could these fish elves work as a substitute for any of the crappy dark eldar Finecast kits? Daughters of Khaine are kind of like wyches, and they also wear masks, Harlequins wear masks, hmm...

I'm feeling the same as you. I've been patiently waiting for new model kits to come out for my armies... pretty much all of which are Xenos. The Cryptek is nice, but isn't exactly a new model. It's just a plastic version of an existing unit with an extra piece of war gear. At a certain point, I'm going to stop waiting for new content and just stop playing 40k. I think I might already be at that point. Star Wars Legion launches today. If the game is as good as it looks, it's going to take a lot to pull me back into 40k. "Forcing" me to buy a $40-50 rule book (new Codex) with a few updated rules and some extra bling (relics/strategems/warlord traits) so that I can keep playing the army I already own isn't going to do the trick. I want new units like the Imperial and Chaos peeps have been getting.

Xenos has had 1 new model announced since 8th released and it's not even a new unit. Imperial/Chaos have had dozens, most of which were new units. Realistically speaking, does anyone think we'll see an actual new unit for T'au Empire in 2018? Will we see an actual new unit for Necrons? Will we see an actual new unit for any flavor of Eldar? Tyranids? Etc, etc?

This has been said many times, but I think the current release schedule reinforces it. GW is pretty good at cranking out new content. They're pretty bad at supporting existing factions with new model content in any sort of timely fashion. It's not uncommon for a faction to go YEARS in between new model releases.

Only a few years is hardly much to wait. Sisters are, until GW completes these minis they've announced intent for late 2019, still using miniatures from 2nd edition.

 Melissia wrote:
Only a few years is hardly much to wait. Sisters are, until GW completes these minis they've announced intent for late 2019, still using miniatures from 2nd edition.

A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

GW is just terrible at supporting existing factions on a regular basis. You either come to terms with only getting to buy new kits every few years (at best) or come to terms with being expected to buy multiple armies. With the allies rules being mostly removed from the game for Xenos players, buying an off faction kit here and there and allying it in while waiting for your next in faction release is no longer an option.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

That's a fair response, I suppose.

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

The 40k community always amazes me with the amount of constant negativity that surrounds even the most exciting announcements.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

So if I tell you I'm going to come over and punch you in the face, and then I follow through and do it, do you forfeit any right to be annoyed about that because I told you beforehand?

Man, what a fantastic comparison.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

They haven't just "focused". Excluding a single, Necron Cryptek model there has not been a SINGLE NEW MODEL FOR ANY XENO ARMY.

That isn't focus, it's exclusion.

You'll also note that every single preview of any model from Adepticon was also Imperium. Running until 2019 with the plastic Sisters release. So we have nothing new to look forward to until after that? Woop de fething do.

I guess my money's going to other things, I won't be forced into buying new Imperial models to convert to an army they should have released.

GW did this earlier in the year with the Custardes release that left a very sour taste in some players' mouths. They've repeated the same, stupid mistake and ultimately it will hurt the hobby as people will leave or stop playing.

Given the releases of 2017, I'm sure GW will release more than 2 AoS armies and some knights in 2018.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

The only Xenos rumor I've seen is that Orks might get some new models when their Codex releases. Other than that, I haven't heard anything.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Given the releases of 2017, I'm sure GW will release more than 2 AoS armies and some knights in 2018.

Agreed, but we have nothing to say otherwise at this moment in time. This would've been the perfect opportunity to mention new xenos models and they fluffed it.

 Kriswall wrote:
The only Xenos rumor I've seen is that Orks might get some new models when their Codex releases. Other than that, I haven't heard anything.

Same, but this sort of thing should be driven by GW, it's time they threw the Xenos players a bone.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

If you're upset, tell them directly. They have a feedback e-mail for a reason. Use that emotion for something productive. I say this as someone who plays almost exclusively xenos (with AdMech being the exception).

Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

I think it's a safe bet Orks and perhaps Space Wolves will get something - being the last codices. Once the codices are wrapped up GW will probably make headway on the next trilogy of story-driving books. They could start with those two codices as a launching point.

Duardin wrote:
The 40k community always amazes me with the amount of constant negativity that surrounds even the most exciting announcements.

Why would I be excited about plastic sisters? It's not an army I collect.

I have tau, necrons, eldar, tyranids on the xenos front.

Imperial Fists. (Not a fan of the Primaris).

Death Guard. (Mostly built when Traitor Legions dropped, so haven't bought any Plague Marines - I'd scratch-built from MkIII only six months before 8th dropped).

I have a single Knight which I am converting to be all Nurgley.

Still no plastic Aspect Warriors, Biovores, Heavy Destroyers, Flayed Ones. The monolith really needs an update. I can't get AC Razorbacks unless I want to pay silly money.
CSM line is still awful.

There's a lot of holes in their basic miniature line and I think they should be plugging them, not making new expensive stompy knights.

And where's my Adeptus Titanicus, dang you!


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Chikout wrote:
Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

No.

A million times no.

We don't need new factions, we need complete model ranges for existing ones.

They need to finish the basic lines first!

Then they can de-squat the squats

zerosignal wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

No.

A million times no.

We don't need new factions, we need complete model ranges for existing ones.

They need to finish the basic lines first!

Then they can de-squat the squats

Agreed. Stop making new factions and start updating/completing the existing factions. Also, which rumor engine pic is clearly Eldar? I thought that most of the "this is probably Eldar" pics just turned out to be Idoneth Deepkin.

zerosignal wrote:
Then they can de-squat the squats

Please oh please!

 Kriswall wrote:
Also, which rumor engine pic is clearly Eldar? I thought that most of the "this is probably Eldar" pics just turned out to be Idoneth Deepkin.

Also, it's SUPER heavily rumored that the Orks will get a nice big release, from what I recall from that guy who's been right about everything else he said so far.

I suspect Orks will begin the swing of the Pendulum in favor of more Xenos releases, though the holidays will probably be dominated by Slaneesh.