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overtyrant wrote: Meh, can't please everyone. I'm loving the new direction GW are taking their kits.
Will you still love it when the next codex makes the old kits unusable?
I'm clearly quite put out that I can't have power swords on my GSC acolytes. I demand they support my miniatures from thirty years ago that didn't receive rules support for most of that time.
Seriously, at some point, yes, they're going to start dropping support for old units. The game is entirely too bloated with extra super special elite of the elite hyper mega enhanced holy solider of the whale, it needs to happen. That or I want limos back.
I'm down for limos!
as long as my chaplain from 1988 w powersabre and bolt pistol is legal.
all kidding aside, if they did limos with the level of detail from the recent releases, I'd start an army, but only after Sororitas.
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It's not hard to have the basic Sister as mono-pose body for legs + torso. The just have a few plug-ins:
* head
* backpack
* weapon arm
That's like 90% of the customization anybody would ever need (or want!)
Besides, they're still plastic, so they're super-easy to re-pose if that's what you want to do.
Lately, I have been building multi-part Warhammer Fantasy Empire Soldiers, and it's annoying. I so much wish that those models were fewer pieces and faster to build. The mono-pose metals were far easier to get playable. Do that!
1. What you descibed isn't mono-pose, though still not quite as customizable as I'd like.
2. Why should I have to break out the razor saw and hope I get all the figures cut in the same place, when they can just make the torso a large ball and socket joint?
3. I enjoyed making empire soldiers.
Make mono-pose duel force boxes with sisters + X, sure. Don't do it for the actual kits.
Battle Sister Bulletin: Part 1 – Adepta Sororitas Iconography
Welcome to your very first Battle Sister Bulletin! As promised in the Las Vegas Open Warhammer Preview, we’re going to be keeping you up to date throughout the entire process with all the latest developments as the new miniatures range takes shape. In our inaugural bulletin, we’ll be taking a look at some of the concept art that has helped to define the iconography across the new range.
One of the most integral features of Warhammer 40,000 is the iconography that helps define each faction (apart from the Tyranids – though we’re sure that the Hive Mind probably experimented with bio-banners at some point…). From the symbolic allegiance denoted by the Imperial Aquila to icons such as the blood drop of the Blood Angels or the skull rune of Khorne’s followers, such imagery is an intrinsic part of Warhammer 40,000. When it came to redesigning the Adepta Sororitas range, the iconography was, therefore, one of the first aspects that the design team looked at.
Here is a selection of some of the earliest concept sketches, and they feature an interesting juxtaposition within them. Many contrast softer themes such as wings, angels and flowers with stronger, more aggressive ones – the roses are complemented by thorny briars and clenched fists, while the ornate chalices are accompanied by skulls, swords and flames. The iconic fleur-de-lys – the unifying symbol used by the Adepta Sororitas and the non-militant orders that support them – also regularly appears throughout.
Of course, each Order of the Adepta Sororitas has its own iconographical nuances too. As the spiritual inheritors of the Daughters of the Emperor, the Order of the Ebon Chalice, for example, take much of the inspiration for their iconography from their part in the execution of the traitorous High Lord Goge Vandire. Images such as severed heads and relic blades are clear references to the violent, but storied, origins of the Order.
Once the Adepta Sororitas iconography has been conceptualised, it can help to influence some of the details on the miniatures themselves. These themes may eventually feature on their armour, banners, wargear and transfer sheets, or even in their artwork, though the purpose of concept art is to inspire rather than dictate.
We hope you enjoyed your inaugural Battle Sisters Bulletin. Let us know what you’re most looking forward to learning about the new range on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page. We’ll see you in two weeks!
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2019/02/19 03:39:58
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
If the new exorcist(edited) doesn’t have at least one of each of these drawings in it in some form or fashion the entire new plastic sisters range is trash.
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2019/02/19 05:13:53
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
The invitation is to be excited and feel informed/involved, but however you wanna read it. ;-)
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2019/02/19 15:26:06
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
H.B.M.C. wrote: We need to over-analyse these and judge all future SoB releases based on nothing but these icon concept art pieces.
These made me hopeful we can get that sword with a grail shaped guard and a rose hilt I always wanted... if only it'll be on fire too... these are so close.
2019/02/19 15:41:44
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Just noticed image #3 has both a helmet with a flaming grail on it AND a sister with her head on fire. It's like Ghost Rider and Firestorm had their own fantatical cults.
2019/02/19 19:05:38
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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2019/02/19 19:14:30
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Just noticed image #3 has both a helmet with a flaming grail on it AND a sister with her head on fire. It's like Ghost Rider and Firestorm had their own fantatical cults.
That's actually my least favorite. It looks so wonky. The proportions seem a bit off and the head looks xeno like. Especially since it looks like there are shoulder pads attached to the bottom, so is it like some sort of penance helmet? You've been bad, you're going in the flaming grail, Sister!
2019/02/19 21:27:32
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
JohnnyHell wrote: The invitation is to be excited and feel informed/involved, but however you wanna read it. ;-)
I really love that they are doing it and get excited and feel involved but I just don't have much to discuss, I'm just quietly happy.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/02/19 22:33:19
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H.B.M.C. wrote: We need to over-analyse these and judge all future SoB releases based on nothing but these icon concept art pieces.
I think that's why they weren't posted. Thought about it, then I reconsidered.
Also, I am wondering if they are getting Valkyrie flying transports built out for them. That for one reason or another would add another level of cool to them.
JohnnyHell wrote: The invitation is to be excited and feel informed/involved, but however you wanna read it. ;-)
I really love that they are doing it and get excited and feel involved but I just don't have much to discuss, I'm just quietly happy.
I'm a bit apathetic about it. All those elements have been there for twenty years or are easy derivatives. Now I've said before that GW staying true to the original aesthetic is a good thing, but as far as sneak peeks go, this is the fourth instance of GW telling us that yes, the aesthetic is going to stay true to the original. I'm just not getting any novelty or value out of it anymore.
That said, they said to come back in two weeks. If they want to fill a wait of six months with a new article every two weeks, I guess they'll have to hand out new stuff sparingly.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2019/02/20 14:40:18
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
master of ordinance wrote: So.... Despite the promised 2019 release and the December 2018 sample figure we have still seen..... Nothing?
Classic GW.
There is a lot of 2019 left... In my opinion the absolute earliest we'll see images of miniatures are if they show us prototypes right before they go to manufacturing. Sometime this summer.
As a process engineer I have designed manufacturing lines and then spun them up to initial production... If what we've seen is an accurate representation of their progress, I'd say we're looking at a mid to late fall 2019 release. They're still in modeling. Once they're done making all the pieces, someone has to design the sprue layouts. I'd estimate they'd hit this point midsummer. Then a tool/mold has to be made, where they will do test runs and approve or rework the tool; 2-4 wks. Then they'll spend 3 months producing the volume needed for an initial release. This puts them ready to launch October - November. If this is a real priority October, if any kits have to sit in a queue before any step of the process November.
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Geifer wrote: I'm thinking less cathedral plane and more something like a Silver Tower, Fozzrik's Flying Fortress, tarted up blimp.
The less aerodynamic the design needs to be, the more cathedral you can stuff into it.
Designing a flyer will be an interesting challenge for GW, its something of a clean slate. A flyer will go a long way to setting the tone of this army and so I think it comes down to whatever underlying theme GW chooses to tie the codex together.
While the SoB are primarily the combat arm of the Ecclesiarchy, they are something of a propaganda tool... the saintliness of them and the manifestation of their faith being used as proof of the Emperor's divinity. So I think there is something to be said for something like what you're saying.
I think an interesting thing to wait and see is the balance GW strikes between the elements of the SoB, like Rhinos, that are distinctly a marine aesthetic and units like the Penitent engine which are more in line with the aesthetic of the rest of the Imperium. I think that will be a significant driver for whatever type of flyer SoB end up with.
While a big mobile shrine or cathedral is the sort of thing we'd expect, I think its the sort of thing where GW will see its obvious and for that reason alone go with something different out of their desire to surprise us.
I know in more than one instance they've been shown using Valkyries... so an off the shelf option like that frees up GW to put resources towards other units. Maybe they'd even bring back the Aquila lander... and produce it as kit that assembles as either a shuttle or something that could look like a heavy fighter.
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2019/02/20 16:36:03
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
The Repressor Rhino variant and Avenger fighter from Forge World are already described as Ecclesiarchy / Sororitas vehicles. On the other hand, Forge World have tended to go for a less ornate style in their vehicle kits than the main studio, so I'd expect some changes if those were to follow the Baneblade and Valkyrie across from resin to plastic.
2019/02/20 16:54:14
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
master of ordinance wrote: So.... Despite the promised 2019 release and the December 2018 sample figure we have still seen..... Nothing?
Classic GW.
There is a lot of 2019 left... In my opinion the absolute earliest we'll see images of miniatures are if they show us prototypes right before they go to manufacturing. Sometime this summer.
As a process engineer I have designed manufacturing lines and then spun them up to initial production... If what we've seen is an accurate representation of their progress, I'd say we're looking at a mid to late fall 2019 release. They're still in modeling. Once they're done making all the pieces, someone has to design the sprue layouts. I'd estimate they'd hit this point midsummer. Then a tool/mold has to be made, where they will do test runs and approve or rework the tool; 2-4 wks. Then they'll spend 3 months producing the volume needed for an initial release. This puts them ready to launch October - November. If this is a real priority October, if any kits have to sit in a queue before any step of the process November.
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Geifer wrote: I'm thinking less cathedral plane and more something like a Silver Tower, Fozzrik's Flying Fortress, tarted up blimp.
The less aerodynamic the design needs to be, the more cathedral you can stuff into it.
Designing a flyer will be an interesting challenge for GW, its something of a clean slate. A flyer will go a long way to setting the tone of this army and so I think it comes down to whatever underlying theme GW chooses to tie the codex together.
While the SoB are primarily the combat arm of the Ecclesiarchy, they are something of a propaganda tool... the saintliness of them and the manifestation of their faith being used as proof of the Emperor's divinity. So I think there is something to be said for something like what you're saying.
I think an interesting thing to wait and see is the balance GW strikes between the elements of the SoB, like Rhinos, that are distinctly a marine aesthetic and units like the Penitent engine which are more in line with the aesthetic of the rest of the Imperium. I think that will be a significant driver for whatever type of flyer SoB end up with.
While a big mobile shrine or cathedral is the sort of thing we'd expect, I think its the sort of thing where GW will see its obvious and for that reason alone go with something different out of their desire to surprise us.
I know in more than one instance they've been shown using Valkyries... so an off the shelf option like that frees up GW to put resources towards other units. Maybe they'd even bring back the Aquila lander... and produce it as kit that assembles as either a shuttle or something that could look like a heavy fighter.
With a reveal as early as this in the year I'm going to stick my neck out and assume we are looking at a spring/summer release. October/Novermber really looks too late to me.
1) The flaming skulls don't appear to jive with the established aesthetic of the Sisters of Battle.
2) Love the flowers, thorns, and fleur de lis. That is SOB.
3) The cloaked figures carrying huge swords is iconic of the Dark Angels. Don't reuse something so specific to a pre-existing army.
4) The ankh reminds me too much of Necrons.
Second
The chalices are fine too. But they are reminiscent of blood angels. With so much that is similar iconography wise to what is already there, at this, the sisters are going to have a hard time standing apart in this department.
Actually I think the skull banner barer has a simple and matching SOB iconography but if I say that it might suggest to GW that we need MORE SKULLZZ too (which we certainly don't). So that is really not what I want either. Like Norchack said the flower/rose and thorns design say SOB to me more than anything else on there.
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Geifer wrote: I'm thinking less cathedral plane and more something like a Silver Tower, Fozzrik's Flying Fortress, tarted up blimp.
The less aerodynamic the design needs to be, the more cathedral you can stuff into it.
Designing a flyer will be an interesting challenge for GW, its something of a clean slate. A flyer will go a long way to setting the tone of this army and so I think it comes down to whatever underlying theme GW chooses to tie the codex together.
While the SoB are primarily the combat arm of the Ecclesiarchy, they are something of a propaganda tool... the saintliness of them and the manifestation of their faith being used as proof of the Emperor's divinity. So I think there is something to be said for something like what you're saying.
I think an interesting thing to wait and see is the balance GW strikes between the elements of the SoB, like Rhinos, that are distinctly a marine aesthetic and units like the Penitent engine which are more in line with the aesthetic of the rest of the Imperium. I think that will be a significant driver for whatever type of flyer SoB end up with.
While a big mobile shrine or cathedral is the sort of thing we'd expect, I think its the sort of thing where GW will see its obvious and for that reason alone go with something different out of their desire to surprise us.
I know in more than one instance they've been shown using Valkyries... so an off the shelf option like that frees up GW to put resources towards other units. Maybe they'd even bring back the Aquila lander... and produce it as kit that assembles as either a shuttle or something that could look like a heavy fighter.
I don't know how well it would go down if all Sisters got in the flyer department was an armed shuttle.
Speaking of things I don't know, it never occurred to me to think about what GW might consider too obvious to make since by and large I don't think of them as a very subtle company. I always thought if the most obvious idea happens to be the most fitting one, that's what we'll get.
The problem I see with Valkyries is that I don't think the crew fits Sisters at all, which would require an upgrade sprue. I can't recall the last time GW did something like that, aside from the extra Wrack meant to crew Dark Eldar vehicles.
master of ordinance wrote: So.... Despite the promised 2019 release and the December 2018 sample figure we have still seen..... Nothing?
Classic GW.
There is a lot of 2019 left... In my opinion the absolute earliest we'll see images of miniatures are if they show us prototypes right before they go to manufacturing. Sometime this summer.
As a process engineer I have designed manufacturing lines and then spun them up to initial production... If what we've seen is an accurate representation of their progress, I'd say we're looking at a mid to late fall 2019 release. They're still in modeling. Once they're done making all the pieces, someone has to design the sprue layouts. I'd estimate they'd hit this point midsummer. Then a tool/mold has to be made, where they will do test runs and approve or rework the tool; 2-4 wks. Then they'll spend 3 months producing the volume needed for an initial release. This puts them ready to launch October - November. If this is a real priority October, if any kits have to sit in a queue before any step of the process November.
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Geifer wrote: I'm thinking less cathedral plane and more something like a Silver Tower, Fozzrik's Flying Fortress, tarted up blimp.
The less aerodynamic the design needs to be, the more cathedral you can stuff into it.
Designing a flyer will be an interesting challenge for GW, its something of a clean slate. A flyer will go a long way to setting the tone of this army and so I think it comes down to whatever underlying theme GW chooses to tie the codex together.
While the SoB are primarily the combat arm of the Ecclesiarchy, they are something of a propaganda tool... the saintliness of them and the manifestation of their faith being used as proof of the Emperor's divinity. So I think there is something to be said for something like what you're saying.
I think an interesting thing to wait and see is the balance GW strikes between the elements of the SoB, like Rhinos, that are distinctly a marine aesthetic and units like the Penitent engine which are more in line with the aesthetic of the rest of the Imperium. I think that will be a significant driver for whatever type of flyer SoB end up with.
While a big mobile shrine or cathedral is the sort of thing we'd expect, I think its the sort of thing where GW will see its obvious and for that reason alone go with something different out of their desire to surprise us.
I know in more than one instance they've been shown using Valkyries... so an off the shelf option like that frees up GW to put resources towards other units. Maybe they'd even bring back the Aquila lander... and produce it as kit that assembles as either a shuttle or something that could look like a heavy fighter.
With a reveal as early as this in the year I'm going to stick my neck out and assume we are looking at a spring/summer release. October/Novermber really looks too late to me.
As I understand it GW only has a certain flexibility in its manufacturing schedule towards the end of its planned releases, which has historically been 18-24 months in advance. They also need that time to design everything. Everyone would like to have Sisters sooner rather than later, but I don't think anything before October is realistic.
Also let's not forget that GW topped off their announcement of Sisters in 2019 with an "Emperor willing" ( ). That hardly inspires confidence that there will be much of 2019 left if they have to add such a disclaimer.
Happily they did announce the teaser Sister coming earlier than the main release, so there's that.
1) The flaming skulls don't appear to jive with the established aesthetic of the Sisters of Battle.
2) Love the flowers, thorns, and fleur de lis. That is SOB.
3) The cloaked figures carrying huge swords is iconic of the Dark Angels. Don't reuse something so specific to a pre-existing army.
4) The ankh reminds me too much of Necrons.
Second
The chalices are fine too. But they are reminiscent of blood angels. With so much that is similar iconography wise to what is already there, at this, the sisters are going to have a hard time standing apart in this department.
Actually I think the skull banner barer has a simple and matching SOB iconography but if I say that it might suggest to GW that we need MORE SKULLZZ too (which we certainly don't). So that is really not what I want either. Like Norchack said the flower/rose and thorns design say SOB to me more than anything else on there.
That does ignore that the iconography of the various orders has been set in stone for a long time, though. That you guys associate all that stuff with with Blood Angels, Dark Angels and whatever goes to show how much wolf wolf and blood blood overload Marines suffered to be so intrinsically associated with them.
Be good to see Sisters finally get an actual presence to remedy that.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2019/02/20 17:37:35
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
That does ignore that the iconography of the various orders has been set in stone for a long time, though. That you guys associate all that stuff with with Blood Angels, Dark Angels and whatever goes to show how much wolf wolf and blood blood overload Marines suffered to be so intrinsically associated with them.
Be good to see Sisters finally get an actual presence to remedy that.
You're right that the ankh and the flaming chalice have been symbols of one order of SOB or another since their inception. I wouldn't be against their continued inclusion, though I believe most players associate the ankh with Necrons.
However, the cloaked figure with large sword is a Dark Angels trademark. It would be like having a unit of SOB use a wolf's head or winged blood drop as their emblem. j
The flaming skull just looks out of place on SOB.
2019/02/20 17:42:13
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Repressor Rhino variant and Avenger fighter from Forge World are already described as Ecclesiarchy / Sororitas vehicles. On the other hand, Forge World have tended to go for a less ornate style in their vehicle kits than the main studio, so I'd expect some changes if those were to follow the Baneblade and Valkyrie across from resin to plastic.
The Avenger isn't actually classed as an Ecclesiarchy/Sororitas vehicle. Pulling from the product info:
The Avenger is an ancient design, believed to originate on Ancient Terra sometime during the Age of Strife. It was adopted by forces loyal to the Divine Saint Sebastian Thor during the bloody wars of faith and schism now called the Age of Apostasy. Its effectiveness is such that it is now a staple of any Imperial Navy air support mission, holding a glamour of holy import in the wider Imperium. The Avenger is often specifically requested by the Adeptus Sororitas should they require close support in their purgations,
It's a Navy asset that is commonly requested by the Sororitas and was used by Thorian forces in the Age of Apostasy.
2019/02/20 17:50:53
Subject: Adepta Sororitas news and rumors, Concept art pg 9
That does ignore that the iconography of the various orders has been set in stone for a long time, though. That you guys associate all that stuff with with Blood Angels, Dark Angels and whatever goes to show how much wolf wolf and blood blood overload Marines suffered to be so intrinsically associated with them.
Be good to see Sisters finally get an actual presence to remedy that.
You're right that the ankh and the flaming chalice have been symbols of one order of SOB or another since their inception. I wouldn't be against their continued inclusion, though I believe most players associate the ankh with Necrons.
However, the cloaked figure with large sword is a Dark Angels trademark. It would be like having a unit of SOB use a wolf's head or winged blood drop as their emblem. j
The flaming skull just looks out of place on SOB.
I'd have to check my Monolith's door, but I don't think an actual ankh has been on a Necron model since the original Necron Lord. Granted, what today is the Triarch symbol is just a stylized variety of ankh, but it's not the same thing.
I can certainly agree that the hooded sword bearer is not very well executed when you consider that it is, as you say, the trademark icon of the Dark Angels and quite possibly even more recognizable than their winged sword chapter batch. That said, the Sisters vehicle upgrade sprue has a sword wielding nun and an outfit and maybe pose that distinguishes the SIsters symbol from the avenging angel would be better.
May i ask why you have a problem with the flaming skull? The Imperial skull fetish is hardly a secret and with Sisters being associated with cleaning flames as much as they are, I have a hard time seeing and argument for it.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
). That hardly inspires confidence that there will be much of 2019 left if they have to add such a disclaimer.
