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This talk of corsairs makes me miss Imperial Armour books. Corsairs are perfect for something like that I think, a niche within a niche but still really cool and deserve expanding on properly somewhere. Obviously Forge World prices were a bit more palatable back when IA books were a thing and it wouldn’t be anywhere near as cool these days I’m sure, but damn they were cool.
   
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Honestly can't decide if battle focus would be too much or too little of a perk, I think it's generally good and situationally either brilliant or negligible.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Specialist sprue added to a more normal unit?


I hope for otherwise, much of the range could use an update and Guardians are no exception. My guess is that I'm not alone with having more Guardians that I can use (even if I'd want to play), getting another unit just for a few new models or bits that are made for older models isn't feeling great. New models with maybe new weapon options and bitses is preferable.

 ImAGeek wrote:
This talk of corsairs makes me miss Imperial Armour books. Corsairs are perfect for something like that I think, a niche within a niche but still really cool and deserve expanding on properly somewhere. Obviously Forge World prices were a bit more palatable back when IA books were a thing and it wouldn’t be anywhere near as cool these days I’m sure, but damn they were cool.


Corsairs, Harlequins and Exodites are subcultures that deserve (or I want them) models. Imagine the outrage when we'd had a snipping point ear on a dino.



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Dudeface wrote:


Honestly can't decide if battle focus would be too much or too little of a perk, I think it's generally good and situationally either brilliant or negligible.

That's a nerf to assault weapons, and assuming it covers heavy weapons a buff to them. A buff to pistols if it covers them, and massive buff to everything even assault weapons if it still allows you to charge.

I wonder if this what was meant by the ranger jetbikes moving shooting and moving.

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Eldar have been in dire need of a real direction to travel for half a dozen editions now.

The specialist spam squads were an ill conceived design from the very beginning, and its no wonder we havent gotten plastic firedragons or dark reapers, etc.

The entire eldar range needs a good sit down and think about what it actually is, inside of its neglected and messy bits box they have had to endure for a quarter decade.

Plot a course and stick to it. Until then, its probably a good thing eldar havent had significant releases, especially if whats left to do is best left on the cutting room floor and swept away with the rest of the garbage.

I know that would make a lot of eldar players with 3 dark reapers sqauds pissed, but even they know in their hearts that a lot of these squad designs are so fundamentally flawed that youre only using them because they are part of a faction you wish had enough attention paid to it in order to be playable without ridiculous fluff rationalizations obfuscating terrible design choices.

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Eldar could be great fun in 9th, lightning quick army, getting up close to rapid fire and finishing off in melee. Plus they have some great options for crusade to focus on grabbing objectives.

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Im more worried about consistency, frankly.

They are a dying race, and yet they send more warm bodies to fight than they do their magical eldritch creations?

I mean, I guess its nic to have the options of an all infantry army, but its so antithetical to the fluff, that they never meet anywhere.

It feels like they are the game design equivalent of throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. And after a quarter of a century of that, its time to put up or shut up, from a manufacturing/consumer standpoint.
   
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 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Im more worried about consistency, frankly.

They are a dying race, and yet they send more warm bodies to fight than they do their magical eldritch creations?

I mean, I guess its nic to have the options of an all infantry army, but its so antithetical to the fluff, that they never meet anywhere.

It feels like they are the game design equivalent of throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. And after a quarter of a century of that, its time to put up or shut up, from a manufacturing/consumer standpoint.

You're still talking about a species that numbers in the billions or possibly trillions.

The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.
   
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This is the first piece that gives me doubts about authenticity of rumour. Seems lazy, same with psychics.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
This is the first piece that gives me doubts about authenticity of rumour. Seems lazy, same with psychics.


Lazyness and not giving a gak about their own established lore are both very GW-like.

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Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.
   
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at first blush I absolutely hate this rule.

At the very LEAST to prevent abuse that extra movement should occur at the beginning of the enemy charge phase (to prevent the inevitable long range shooting units using it to boop in and out of obscuring terrain) but why, why do we have to keep making rules for eldar factions that are less reliable and more orky than the rules that orks get?

My eldar are almost exclusively assault/close range units, and this would just be so bad for my stuff. if they want the eldar to be this finesse/high risk high reward army where youre making lots of choices, this is the wrong way to go about it.

....Also once again it makes CWE faster than their "supa-fast" drukhari counterparts :^))))) you go GW.

here, I'll come up with Battlefocus that works better than this rule in 5 seconds:

The Eldar battle trance is a powerful psychic tool for preserving the asuryani race. When under its effects, Eldar warriors move like the wind, counfounding their enemies and striking faster than the eye can see, or they can lie in wait for days, perfectly alert, ready to strike at the slightest movement.

All ASURYANI CORE units (everything is CORE except Wraiths and Vehicles) gains the following rule:

-If the unit Advanced or Fell Back in the movement phase, all ranged weapons except for weapons with the GRENADE type become the ASSAULT type (e.g. pistol 1 becomes assault 1, rapid fire 1 becomes assault 1) and any attacks made against the unit suffer -1 to hit rolls.

-if the unit Remained Stationary or made a Normal Move in the movement phase, any attacks the unit makes ignore the benefits of cover.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:

At the very LEAST to prevent abuse that extra movement should occur at the beginning of the enemy charge phase (to prevent the inevitable long range shooting units using it to boop in and out of obscuring terrain) but why, why do we have to keep making rules for eldar factions that are less reliable and more orky than the rules that orks get?

My eldar are almost exclusively assault/close range units, and this would just be so bad for my stuff. if they want the eldar to be this finesse/high risk high reward army where youre making lots of choices, this is the wrong way to go about it.

....Also once again it makes CWE faster than their "supa-fast" drukhari counterparts :^))))) you go GW.


Tbh, I think a big part of the issue is a weird desperation to make the Eldar factions as different as possible (which is weird given that, unlike marine factions, Eldar, DE and Harlequins share all of 0 units).

As in, previously all Eldar (bar Wraiths and Covens, I think?) just had Fleet as standard - so they could all run and then charge. But then in 8th only Harlequins could run and charge, whilst Eldar could run and shoot and DE . . . couldn't actually do either. Now in 9th DE can advance and charge if they don't ally (possibly due to performance-anxiety) and, if these rumours are to be believed, eldar can't run and charge but they can move, shoot, and then move a bit more.

Might a standard Fleet-type rule help give the Eldar factions a shared identity?

 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Well according to that rumour you can move, shoot, move d6 and charge

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 Wiz Warrior wrote:

The specialist spam squads were an ill conceived design from the very beginning, and its no wonder we havent gotten plastic firedragons or dark reapers, etc.
Well that's a spicy take. Also I'm seeing players choosing to do "specialist spam" with other armies as soon as they can. Drop Pod Grav Devastators, IG plasma spam . . . Any Primaris unit, it seems.

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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

There's still no general 40k rumours thread like we have for AoS (for reasons that still elude me...), so I'll post this here.

Got a newsletter from GW advertising two new "bundles":

Sons of Ferrus Manus - Unleash cold, hard logic (and a colder, harder Dreadnought) upon the enemies of the Imperium. This bundle is the perfect way to kick off a new Iron Hands force or to add reinforcements to one you already have.

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.

The pre-order links both Error 404. Might'a been sent out a bit too early. From the pics they just look like existing packs (the Marine one is the ETB Phobos stuff) with some extra stuff thrown in. I wouldn't expect a discount.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's still no general 40k rumours thread like we have for AoS (for reasons that still elude me...), so I'll post this here.

Got a newsletter from GW advertising two new "bundles":

Sons of Ferrus Manus - Unleash cold, hard logic (and a colder, harder Dreadnought) upon the enemies of the Imperium. This bundle is the perfect way to kick off a new Iron Hands force or to add reinforcements to one you already have.

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.

The pre-order links both Error 404. Might'a been sent out a bit too early. From the pics they just look like existing packs (the Marine one is the ETB Phobos stuff) with some extra stuff thrown in. I wouldn't expect a discount.




Given that it's supposedly emperor's children themed, calling them all "sons" seems a tad presumptious
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that it's supposedly emperor's children themed, calling them all "sons" seems a tad presumptious
Can we not do this? Even if you're just joking, can we not?

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Well that's a little out of left field. Not quite the Emperor's Children release I'd been hoping for, but at least GW remember they exist.

If you can tell from the picture, did they bother painting up anything in EC colours or is this just the "saving clicks" kind of bundle?

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It's literally going to always be the "saving clicks" kind of bundle.

Anything else would be announced on Sunday as a preorder for the week.
   
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Thanks Mr. No Fun. I don't think that was ever in question.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
If you can tell from the picture, did they bother painting up anything in EC colours or is this just the "saving clicks" kind of bundle?
Pfft! The Iron Hands aren't even Iron Hands. They're just Ultramarines and Black Legion.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sons of Fulgrim - Claim the galaxy in the name of Slaanesh with this Chaos Space Marines bundle. It contains everything you need to start a new Emperor's Children army or to easily add to an existing one.


What can that even realistically contain to resemble anything other than generic CSM? Because unless GW is trying really hard to sell the crappy resin Noise Marine upgrade kits there's not going to be anything that really screams ( ) Emperor's Children...
   
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Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:




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Perfection.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's literally going to always be the "saving clicks" kind of bundle.

Anything else would be announced on Sunday as a preorder for the week.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Until the links work I can't say whether they're trying to push the resin Noise Marine bits with a kit they're 100% not designed for, but as it stands it's probably just a Start Collecting! with the Oblits, the 10 Marines, the Venomcrawler and the 2 Greater Possessed and one or two other things tacked on (another squad of regular CSM, given the pic).

I mean there's low effort, and then there's this:

Spoiler:




That'll be the biggest insult ! The CSM from the SC are monopose and need some clipping to accept the sonic weapons.

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Sometimes my drinking gets out of hand, and I buy things online. I hope I don’t accidentally purchase the Emperors Children box, I collect Black Legion. Don’t even want to think about having to convert those Iron Hands into Ultramarines!

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 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.

Er, no. They never like using them. Using them because they're desperate isn't the same as liking using them. They're used to supplement, not completely replace.

That piece of lore has been consistent since 2nd edition.
   
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Khahandran wrote:
 Wiz Warrior wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
The fluff says they don't like using their wraith constructs.

...until they do like to use them....
Ahh yes, the fluff. So flagrantly inconsistent that anyone can just pick and choose a rationalization du jour. GW "lore" at its best.

Er, no. They never like using them. Using them because they're desperate isn't the same as liking using them. They're used to supplement, not completely replace.

That piece of lore has been consistent since 2nd edition.


Yeah Iyanden are one of the few who really used wraith constructs because they had to in desperation what with the Tyranidding and all. In terms of the models I think that's why they have been pushing Iyanden because it means they can sell more wraith constructs. Hides the fact that the infantry models are so old. Hopefully with this new release we are seeing a return of more infantry and less focus on the constructs.

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An Emperor's Children bundle without a single Emperor's Children model.

Thanks Geedubs

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