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Hehe, I think that suggestion has been floated. The problem, of course, is that the guy who sculpted it apparently chimed in with a "what to do with a normal person?" sort of remark, heh. Poor guy...

It struck me that Sedition Wars as a whole (except the Yannick stuff) seems to have drifted towards a much more "heroic scale" sort of look, from the limited that McVey usually puts out. I wonder how that will work over the long term. I mean, it looks good, but the limited stuff looks insane.

I wonder how that will work out over time. Having two ranges with such distinct looks.

That Yannick is crazy though. I never really dug the Constance Blaze for Warmachine, until I saw the greens on his blog.

It's just a badly-sculpted face on top of a nicely-sculpted model that differs slightly from the concept art in proportions, etc.

Kinda like Ridley.

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I think its just people that cant get it into there heads that its "concept art" drawn by a artist who most proberly dosnt sculpt ,,then the sculpter has to convert this into a 3d version and unfortunatly what works for a pic dosnt allways work for a figure , hey hum i think she looks good ,not one i want but im sure the others will be just as good.

 Commander Cain wrote:
I thought the face was a little chubby, specifically the cheeks but nothing worth complaining about! The more time they spend fiddling around with faces, the less time they have to sculpt the rest of the models. Not saying they should rush the process, I just like seeing updates!

I think most of the 'problem' with the face is actually just coming from the mouth... It's much larger than on the concept art, and makes the entire face look very different.


Having said that, I'm a big fan of her as is.

 scipio.au wrote:
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Kinda like Ridley.

Kinda!? Its sooooooo freaking nice Its the best mini to hit wargaming world this year!

*Snort* Well, that's a sign of confidence: the thread talking about the Pilot miniature has been locked. And the general feedback thread has a nice big "do not continue that topic in this thread or start a new topic on the matter".

It's always a good sign when moderators clamp down on discussion. Reflects a widespread feeling of good cheer in the community I find.

In fairness there are some rather amusing moments in the discussion thread where one of the moderators blows his top and starts ranting at people for using the word "aesthetics". Ain't no call for such hi-falutent wurds when talkin' 'bout little dollies! Use man-wurds! Country-wurds!

Wow it's hard to mimic a hillbilly accent in text...

It's a shame to see one arrogant buffoon on his staff squander some of the goodwill McVey has (quite rightly) earned over the last few years.

For what it's worth, I'm apt to consider Iron Lilly a bit of a misfire (though seeing her painted might yet change my opinion). Ridley and Hexen, however, are fantastic - I hope Yannick will be handling the Calamity crew.

Buzzsaw wrote:*Snort* Well, that's a sign of confidence: the thread talking about the Pilot miniature has been locked. And the general feedback thread has a nice big "do not continue that topic in this thread or start a new topic on the matter".

It's always a good sign when moderators clamp down on discussion. Reflects a widespread feeling of good cheer in the community I find.

In fairness there are some rather amusing moments in the discussion thread where one of the moderators blows his top and starts ranting at people for using the word "aesthetics". Ain't no call for such hi-falutent wurds when talkin' 'bout little dollies! Use man-wurds! Country-wurds!

Wow it's hard to mimic a hillbilly accent in text...

One of those threads (the Pilot?) seems to have disappeared entirely.

English Assassin wrote:It's a shame to see one arrogant buffoon on his staff squander some of the goodwill McVey has (quite rightly) earned over the last few years.

For what it's worth, I'm apt to consider Iron Lilly a bit of a misfire (though seeing her painted might yet change my opinion). Ridley and Hexen, however, are fantastic - I hope Yannick will be handling the Calamity crew.

This is probably a good time to remind everyone to not insult "across boards" - and probably a good time to remind everyone that a lot of the people 'over there' are probably 'over here' too.

Thanks!

While I think locking the thread was the right decision, I'm sad to see it has vanished entirely

making all signs of decent vanish is never a good thing, especially as there were many positive contributions made by posters (who liked AND disliked the sculpt)

If some of the nastier comments had to go they should have been deleted individually.

, I didn't keep a copy of the photoshopped fix I posted in that thread.

Wow, that's a near Games-Workshoppian (yeah, that's right, I'm making that a word!) level of bad messaging.

It really is a shame, there were a lot of gradients even among the people that were "dissenters" (that's... and interesting choice of words a quibble over a miniature, but it seems to have proved true), and I'm pretty sure the model sculptor posted his own photoshop in defense of his work. Really a damn shame to lose all of that.

I'm never a fan of making the record disappear and the heavy-handed way they (the management, that is) are handling this is very uncomfortable to see.

This would seem to be a common problem (in general) for the earliest successful kickstarters: they start building momentum, and pretty soon they are just throwing concept art up. Just looking at the bottom of the Biohazard sheet and the extras... almost everything is concept art.

It is bound to happen on "Company" message boards where the owners actively participate.

At least, that's been my experience.

You should have seen the old 'official' Rackham boards in action!

Or the old GW ones.

My friend put up a post about the Necromunda: Underhive book (and how terrible it was) every day. Never once did he get a response.

Well, Studio McVey is off to a great start. The forums used to be beyond quiet before the Kickstarter and now they have a bunch of people who have only jumped on since the Kickstarter as well as mods who were brought on during that time.

That they allow this, kills my confidence in their product. They are essentially silencing any critical discussion or feedback which is really, really pathetic and disappointing.

Somehow, I doubt I'll have an issue selling all my SW stuff if they keep this up.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or the old GW ones.

My friend put up a post about the Necromunda: Underhive book (and how terrible it was) every day. Never once did he get a response.

Yeah because that level of obsession usually goes hand in hand with reasonable discourse with the creators of a game.

 Alpharius wrote:
It is bound to happen on "Company" message boards where the owners actively participate.

At least, that's been my experience.

You should have seen the old 'official' Rackham boards in action!

LOL you still remember those? they even forbided other companies names its was baaaaad there, specially when they flipped to ppp... dont miss those days tbh.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It is bound to happen on "Company" message boards where the owners actively participate.

At least, that's been my experience.

You should have seen the old 'official' Rackham boards in action!

LOL you still remember those? they even forbided other companies names its was baaaaad there, specially when they flipped to ppp... dont miss those days tbh.

Of course I remember - I got into a fair amount of trouble over there.

And it was exactly when they did pull the bait and switch to pre-painted plastics!

And yes, I'm still bitter about that, and the loss of some of the greatest miniatures ever made...

More on topic here - yeah, Official Company Owned Forums can and will be Moderated with Extreme Prejudice.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Well, Studio McVey is off to a great start. The forums used to be beyond quiet before the Kickstarter and now they have a bunch of people who have only jumped on since the Kickstarter as well as mods who were brought on during that time.

That they allow this, kills my confidence in their product. They are essentially silencing any critical discussion or feedback which is really, really pathetic and disappointing.

Somehow, I doubt I'll have an issue selling all my SW stuff if they keep this up.

I'd hate to see you lose out on a great game due to frustrations with the way the company chooses to moderate their forums. If that were the universal case, droves of us would have bailed on GW years ago !!

Balancing free-speech and objective versus subjective comments and opinions on a producer's host forum is always tricky ... and a topic for another thread, I suppose.

Don't lose the faith, yet

If they wanna be a drama queen over a silly forum then let them sell the game. They deleted a post, so what. It doesnt reflect on the abilities and quality of the product shown thus far.

A little more complicated then "they deleted a post" there fella. The mods there made a thread specifically to discuss the problems some poeple had with the last WIP (or preview, not sure exactly what to call it).

When people proceeded to discuss the issue, they locked the thread. They then announced in the general feedback thread that, if you don't like a model, you can say so... exactly once. Bringing it up again will result in deleted posts and warnings/bannings.

Then they deleted the thread that held all the previous critical discussion.

Now, their forum, their rules, they can do what they want. But that's a bit freaky. There is not standing for abuse, and then there's GW-style "we invented the shoulder-pad, how dare you disagree" out-of-touch style receiving of criticism. That seems a lot more like the latter.

Also, not to belabor the actual point, but being utterly unwilling to face criticism about your product... I generally find that a giant red flag.

Is it possible here that it's just people being really thin-skinned? I dunno. But it ain't good.

Possibly the moderators got a bit over zealous in their passion for SW.

I am not a fan of Jada or Ridley's sculpts. Not up to SMcV's usual standard. Of course, these are works in progress for a boardgame not boutique resins.

Oddly I find myself preferring the Dreadball figures. Much better than Manic""s previous stuff.

Heh, I am picking up some dreadball figure to go along with my SW sets!

 Souleater wrote:
Possibly the moderators got a bit over zealous in their passion for SW.

I am not a fan of Jada or Ridley's sculpts. Not up to SMcV's usual standard. Of course, these are works in progress for a boardgame not boutique resins.

Oddly I find myself preferring the Dreadball figures. Much better than Manic""s previous stuff.

I think I read somewhere that Team McVey is doing art and more for Mantic now?

I don't know much about the production of miniatures, so pardon my ignorance in this question. Could Have Studio McVey/CMoN taken the master mini had its head cut off and re-sculpt a new head? If I recall right, the delivery date for Jada was not until next year, I would think that is enough time to get some changes in.

I was not as disappointed with the sculpt as some people were, I though the jaw could have been a little less pronounced but didn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.

But with about 40-ish percent (from that poll that was deleted) being disappointed in the head of Jada, and the new issue of a deleted thread, I wonder if it would be in the best interest to have the head re-sculpted even if it mean a small delay in shipping Jada and the other extras next year?

I don't know enough about sculpting, production and finances in the industry if this would be viable or suicide.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't know much about the production of miniatures, so pardon my ignorance in this question. Could Have Studio McVey/CMoN taken the master mini had its head cut off and re-sculpt a new head? If I recall right, the delivery date for Jada was not until next year, I would think that is enough time to get some changes in.

I was not as disappointed with the sculpt as some people were, I though the jaw could have been a little less pronounced but didn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.

But with about 40-ish percent (from that poll that was deleted) being disappointed in the head of Jada, and the new issue of a deleted thread, I wonder if it would be in the best interest to have the head re-sculpted even if it mean a small delay in shipping Jada and the other extras next year?

I don't know enough about sculpting, production and finances in the industry if this would be viable or suicide.

That's reasonable, why even allow feedback if they DO NOT CARE what we have to say?

I think that is a big issue here, they made a mint off Kickstarter 'investors' and people are trying to give feedback and being shutdown for giving anything negative or critical.

I own quite a bit of Studio McVey products and Sedition Wars Metal/Resin miniatures. I find the quality of the Ridley and this latest sculpt to be lackluster with what I was expecting based on prior quality from them. Truth be told? Looking forward to my Reaper Bones stuff over this now. ^.^

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It is bound to happen on "Company" message boards where the owners actively participate.
At least, that's been my experience.
You should have seen the old 'official' Rackham boards in action!

LOL you still remember those? they even forbided other companies names its was baaaaad there, specially when they flipped to ppp... dont miss those days tbh.

Yeah, that's why my posts on any "official" boards for any of my hobbies is minimal at best. I've got a main board for each of my main three hobbies, and the three of them are broadly similar and all three thankfully lack rabid fanboi mods.


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 IdentifyZero wrote:
Well, Studio McVey is off to a great start. The forums used to be beyond quiet before the Kickstarter and now they have a bunch of people who have only jumped on since the Kickstarter as well as mods who were brought on during that time.
That they allow this, kills my confidence in their product. They are essentially silencing any critical discussion or feedback which is really, really pathetic and disappointing.
Somehow, I doubt I'll have an issue selling all my SW stuff if they keep this up.

Just remember, that you bought a boardgame with some extra stuff. Douchebag mods are something that crop up from time to time, but hopefully they'll get reined in. Ultimately though, if the game is good, you'll have to decide if that's enough to warrant keeping it, even if the company or elements of it are otherwise disagreeable. I mean, I haven't gotten rid of all my GW products, or Sony or Microsoft products, or so forth...

And some mods on a website are hardly indicative of the game or the people making it.

Let's not throw our toys out of the pram quite yet...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And some mods on a website are hardly indicative of the game or the people making it.

Let's not throw our toys out of the pram quite yet...

In the interest of being technically correct (the best kind of correct!), the various thread locking, topic clamp-down-ing (well, that's not a word...) were the McVeys (Ali, Mike and that damned Paco...). So... actually it was the people making the game.

Although in fairness, plenty of good things have come from not-so-nice people, so *shrug*.

Considering some of the stuff I read posted in that thread it's probably beter off gone. But as long as I get my models I don't really have to many issues about it.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't know much about the production of miniatures, so pardon my ignorance in this question. Could Have Studio McVey/CMoN taken the master mini had its head cut off and re-sculpt a new head? If I recall right, the delivery date for Jada was not until next year, I would think that is enough time to get some changes in.

I was not as disappointed with the sculpt as some people were, I though the jaw could have been a little less pronounced but didn't seem to be as big of a deal to me.

But with about 40-ish percent (from that poll that was deleted) being disappointed in the head of Jada, and the new issue of a deleted thread, I wonder if it would be in the best interest to have the head re-sculpted even if it mean a small delay in shipping Jada and the other extras next year?

I don't know enough about sculpting, production and finances in the industry if this would be viable or suicide.

That's reasonable, why even allow feedback if they DO NOT CARE what we have to say?

I think that is a big issue here, they made a mint off Kickstarter 'investors' and people are trying to give feedback and being shutdown for giving anything negative or critical.

I own quite a bit of Studio McVey products and Sedition Wars Metal/Resin miniatures. I find the quality of the Ridley and this latest sculpt to be lackluster with what I was expecting based on prior quality from them. Truth be told? Looking forward to my Reaper Bones stuff over this now. ^.^

As far as I know, this was just a mod's decision to silence a forum user under his own judgement and not directly from the company itself. From my experience, mods always seem to be be fan boys to whatever degree and take criticism rather personal. I would like to hear from one of the Mcveys regarding this conundrum with the mod(s) and the sculpt of Jada, whether they plan on changing it or keeping it.



The head of Jada alone is no enough to turn me away from the game, I hope the McVeys did take notice and will pull for better quality control.