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Sidstyler wrote:Tell them you'll send them back, but you want a refund.
what for each modle?
Well, for however many you bought I assume, lol. I wouldn't ask for a refund for the replacements that I didn't exactly pay for, that would be kinda silly.
Funny tho! I may just send back my oringanail and ask for a refund...
There you go
Please show my how you go from the positively singular "send back my oringanail" [sic] to the decidely plural accusation that he wants 3 refunds back... If you're going to try to back up a fail, you really should double check your "proof" so you don't get smeared with the same crap.
]No. This is not the same. For starters, it's the order of cost and type of product. You are comparing a toy against an instrument. If you want a valid comparison, you need to compare like against like.
A valid point, although the same argument could be had if the sale was for a Transformers toy that falls apart when transformed (Both are toys), or a chess set missing all the rooks (Both are games/game pieces).
It's like arguind that giving all school-age girls HPV vaccines is sexist.
Wait, what? You lost me there.
In this case, GW screwed up hard and It's trying to recover cost and make sure people are not taking advantage of it. There are some toys that simply cannot be repaired and depending on the costs, the company will go to the effort of sending you a replacement, without requesting back the original, because it can't be repaired without it actually costing more.
The problem is this whole issue goes away if GW has you return the defective product. They have chosen not to require a physical return in all cases, indicating that they have decided that the lost value of the flawed model is worth not paying for shipping or what have you to return the defective product. Your objection to the return policy "exploitation" would be justifiable if the consumer was avoiding or bending some sort of rule in the process, but it's GW's own return policy that is encouraging this behavior.
If I get a bag of chips/crisps and there's a slice of half-eaten bread, the company provides (in most cases) the ability to call them, to get a free replacement bag under their "Satisfaction Guaranteed" label. In doing so, the company has forfeit the ability to recall the defective bag, thus preventing me from fishing said piece of bread out and having two bags of munchies.
This is something that all GW consumers can exploit, just like everyone can clip coupons from a newspaper. Just because only a few people are speaking up about doing so or because you personally don't take advantage of it does not suddenly make the coupon invalid. Just as you said
You would be ill advised not to take advantage of said coupon.
you're absolutely correct. At best, this might be seen as taking advantage of a misprinted contest that resulted in prizes for far more consumers than originally intended. Taking advantage of this is not immoral, and I would argue that it rather indicates a savvy consumer instead.
the trouble is that abusing a replacement policy does not equate to making use of a coupon. Abusing a return policy can be taken in several ways. First, there's the lie that your product is defective when it isn't. I can think of a fair few more things that an enterprising individual could do, but as this violates the terms of use for dakka, these will not be mentioned. The fact is that there is a difference between a company offering a rebate on a product, and a consumer swindling the company.
If this is about, say, GW, if an individual's ego is measured by the quantity of toy soldiers in their possession, then the most cost effective means to achieve this would be to obtain the models second-hand. By engaging in criminal conduct, the offender achieves in making things worse for the rest of us, to the point where the replacement policy becomes replaced by offering customers the ability to purchase the replacement sprue.
As an aside:
I am making a community minded request to everyone to please stop all tangential discussion around GW's policy and keep this strictly in relation to miscasts and any action taken in relation to said miscast. GW's changing policies are shenanigans all their own.
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15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
poda_t wrote: First, there's the lie that your product is defective when it isn't.
That's the problem though; it is defective. Just because you can fix the issue does not absolve the fact that the issue exists in the first place. If I replace the engine of an engine-less Ferrari, regardless of the fact that I have a working Ferrari for a much lower cost, it was still lacking an engine. Again, if someone is returning a product that could objectively be considered acceptable, then the best way for GW to fix that would be to either demand the defective product be returned in exchange for the new one, and/or begin deciding whether or not they can accept a return based on perceived flaws.
The consumer isn't swindling the company when they elect to purchase a subpar product with the knowledge that the subpar product will also come with a functional product due to the explicitly stated company practices. As a result, if the product becomes consistently quality (removing the ability to return it) or the company practice changes to prevent this practice, then the consumer is out of luck.
Imagine the feeling when you position your tanks, engines idling, landing gear deployed for a low profile, with firing solutions along a key bottleneck. Then some fether lands a dreadnought behind them in a giant heat shielded coke can.
warboss wrote:
Please show my how you go from the positively singular "send back my oringanail" [sic] to the decidely plural accusation that he wants 3 refunds back...
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I edited my post less than a minute afterwards to point out the 'non-plurality' of HAZZERS original quote. My apologies if this wasn't fast enough for you :S I shall try to be quicker in the future
If you're going to try to back up a fail, you really should double check your "proof" so you don't get smeared with the same crap
I provided you with the quote being referred to....... and you offer to smear me with crap. Nice... What's your encore?
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Gwar! wrote:Debate it all you want, I just report what the rules actually say. It's up to others to tie their panties in a Knot. I stopped caring long ago.
I provided you with the quote being referred to....... and you offer to smear me with crap. Nice... What's your encore?
The quote proved nothing as it was utterly incorrect (which explains the 180 degree change in the meaning and tone that you edited in). Finecast discussion brings up enough emotion in gamers when people stick to the truth let alone when people post utter BS and attribute it to others. As for the smear stuff, I'll just ignore that for the sake of the mods so they don't have to change their text color.
I provided you with the quote being referred to....... and you offer to smear me with crap. Nice... What's your encore?
The quote proved nothing as it was utterly incorrect (which explains the 180 degree change in the meaning and tone that you edited in)
You're not making sense. Do you mean that I edited the quote? Or simply that the quote did not fit with your view? (I made the edit as, upon seeing my post, I was aware that it could be taken the wrong way and needed some context to make it adhere to my point of view)
Finecast discussion brings up enough emotion in gamers when people stick to the truth let alone when people post utter BS and attribute it to others. As for the smear stuff, I'll just ignore that for the sake of the mods so they don't have to change their text color.
Please... flamebaiting will get neither you nor me anywhere
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Gwar! wrote:Debate it all you want, I just report what the rules actually say. It's up to others to tie their panties in a Knot. I stopped caring long ago.
I have not had any major problems with Fincast myself, i have about 10 character models and a box of Striking Scorpions. some air bubbles and a bit of cleaning, Still less prep work on the whole than the metal figs i have had in the past.
But i recently bought a set of the new terminators and noticed some of the problems people have been complaining about with Fincast. I returned them to the Head office and got them replaced ( it's just down the road from me )
Never had a problem with Forge World stuff ( only had infantry no big pieces )
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pitboy2710 wrote:Have Forge world switched what resin they use?
I have not had any major problems with Fincast myself, i have about 10 character models and a box of Striking Scorpions. some air bubbles and a bit of cleaning, Still less prep work on the whole than the metal figs i have had in the past.
But i recently bought a set of the new terminators and noticed some of the problems people have been complaining about with Fincast.
They said they experimented with it at one point but decided not to go with it. You get these occasional reports of people ordering direct from them yet getting finecast-esque color/consistency resin though.
poda_t wrote: First, there's the lie that your product is defective when it isn't.
That's the problem though; it is defective. Just because you can fix the issue does not absolve the fact that the issue exists in the first place. If I replace the engine of an engine-less Ferrari, regardless of the fact that I have a working Ferrari for a much lower cost, it was still lacking an engine. Again, if someone is returning a product that could objectively be considered acceptable, then the best way for GW to fix that would be to either demand the defective product be returned in exchange for the new one, and/or begin deciding whether or not they can accept a return based on perceived flaws.
The consumer isn't swindling the company when they elect to purchase a subpar product with the knowledge that the subpar product will also come with a functional product due to the explicitly stated company practices. As a result, if the product becomes consistently quality (removing the ability to return it) or the company practice changes to prevent this practice, then the consumer is out of luck.
you, and i can't remember who else it was in this thread, are however insistently ignoring one fact. If you purchase a product that is intact, complete and in good condition and complain that it is of poor quality, damaged and incomplete for the sake of getting a replacement just to get free product, then you are in fact swindling the company. I purchased product recently that was defective. I have been asked to return it, and am doing so, enclosing a lengthy letter of frustration over the poor quality of the cast. I have however seen first hand resin product from GW that was in good condition (I refuse to dub it as outstanding, because they really should be making the kits into plastic but I digress). If you intentionally purchase a product that is intact and complain that it is defective, you are swindling the company.
I somehow, however, get a tingly feeling that we are arguing the same thing.
I would most preferably video-tape and photograph everything that's wrong with my kit. Have someone over at GW inspect it, and then send one of two things. Either a single replacement box, or a one-time use voucher that I can take to a local GW to get the replacement. Not sure if you read higher up, but I bought two boxes of CSM raptors and I am absolutely pissed that, coming straight out of the box and doing just the cutting and cleaning, I cannot field even one squad from combining the two boxes. I have no problem returning the boxes in so far as I get what I paid for, and If I don't, then I have a lovely letter that's getting longer by the day explaining my expectations premised on their advertising and the time fine-cast has been market, and why I will only accept one exchange before I start demanding a refund and compensation for wasting my working hours in having to deal with this.
15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
With regard to Forgeworld using 'Finecast'ish resin and technique.
IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE?
These shots of the REPLACEMENT parts sent for the event-only Skinwolf I picked up in April. STILL WAITING for enough parts to have one I can build.
Conversely, the Enforcer is pressure cast and perfect. I've already whittered on about the gorgeousness of the Carmine Dragon kit too. No problem with FW, just the spincasting crap.
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Kanluwen wrote:Are you buying the faulty model, with the intent of fixing the model to use and making a complaint to the company who made the model to get a replacement model?
Your whole argument breaks down, in my opinion, right on the words I underlined. If GWS puts a faulty model on the shelves, the person who bought it is due a replacement that is not faulty. What they choose to do with the original is irrelevant to the situation; this entire situation and all those random hypotheticals that you are positing about the moral inclinations of people intentionally buying faulty models so they can "game the system" by getting 2 models are all kind of missing the point, that GWS can avoid this whole issue by not putting faulty models on the shelf. You keep saying stuff like you agree GWS shouldn't be selling models, but - there is no "but". They created this situation and they own it.
I have no problem with GWS requiring providing back the originals before issuing a replacement. It's their right. They made a business decision that it's not worth the hassle (and probable lost customers) in inspecting the returns and so on when the actual models are worth less than the package they come in, so they just send out replacements. All of these decision points that you're trying to put the blame back on the customer for, there are so many places where the whole process breaks down right at GWS's feet.
They made a choice to switch to Finecast.
They made a choice to do poor QC and sell models that are unfit for sale.
They made a choice to issue sight unseen replacements.
Have you ever heard the expression; "you can't cheat an honest man"? Well, that applies to customers too. If you don't want your stores to have an abuse-prone return process, you shouldn't be giving customers a frequent and avoidable reason to engage in returns of your faulty products.
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The fact this thread still exists makes me really sad. I wanted to buy the Vargard and Nemesor, but held off until I actually go to a Gee-Dubs, which is by Chicago. It's about 2 hours away and as a result this will only be my second trip there ever. I wish I could just order them mailorder when they went on pre-order; but I just don't want to deal with the whole hassle that appears likely with this product if you buy it sight-unseen.
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poda_t wrote:
you, and i can't remember who else it was in this thread, are however insistently ignoring one fact. If you purchase a product that is intact, complete and in good condition and complain that it is of poor quality, damaged and incomplete for the sake of getting a replacement just to get free product, then you are in fact swindling the company. I purchased product recently that was defective. I have been asked to return it, and am doing so, enclosing a lengthy letter of frustration over the poor quality of the cast. I have however seen first hand resin product from GW that was in good condition (I refuse to dub it as outstanding, because they really should be making the kits into plastic but I digress). If you intentionally purchase a product that is intact and complain that it is defective, you are swindling the company.
Except that no one is claiming that people are buying intact models and then claiming that they are defective. The most you have in this thread is that someone heard of someone that was intentionally looking for defective models on the store with the intent to get "free" replacements. Kind of a big difference there...
And since you seem such a compass or moral rectitude, where is your outrage at the company that is purposely and knowingly selling defective products in the hopes that innocent consumers that don't know the difference will buy them anyway? Or is your outrage reserved for single individuals?
I've got 6 25th anniversary marines (3 bases, all were gak). I paid for ONE.
I *could* assemble each and every one of them. Most will require 10+ hours of work before I could even think of priming them. That basically means they're going to sit in a dead resin pile, and potentially have the odd part raided for bitz. There's no way I'd consider 10 hours of work on cleanup (not conversion, nothing other than fixing faults!) as a fun way to spend my time. Nor would I suggest it to a client for a job.
GW are frankly selling turds in a box and telling folks it's chocolate (can't remember who said that) and folks keep accepting it. So I applaud anyone that gouges them back by not accepting rubbish, and urge them NOT TO STOP until they get a model that's as good as it should be (not just when they get bored of the process, or get one they can just about fix).
Edit: This goes for Forgeworld too. Though I'm more forgiving (ot least seem to feel less 'cheated') of their pressure cast stuff for some reason or other, the spin cast stuff is just consistently coming out flawed, and that really needs addressing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: My friendly UPS man dropped this off to me this morning.
According to the FW customer support chap 'I must be the unluckiest man on the planet with these'. I feel mildly annoyed by his attempt to put a good spin on this. I will most likely be waiting another couple of weeks for another replacement.
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Ouze wrote:The fact this thread still exists makes me really sad.
Same here. I've been checking new releases at the local store out of morbid curiosity and it doesn't look like Finecast has gotten any better at all, and we're fast approaching the one year anniversary of its supposedly-rushed release. I'm disappointed to say the least. I can't buy wracks or any more incubi for my Dark Eldar because they're in Finecast, and I'm now considering buying the metal beasts, which are way too fething expensive, simply out of fear that they'll be re-released in Finecast (with a price increase to boot so they're even more expensive, don't forget that) and I won't be able to get those awesome khymerae or the big furry guy without giant holes or chunks missing out of them. I'm also afraid of what Finecast crap will be coming out for Tau whenever the hell they finally get updated. When buying GW models it's plastic or nothing as far as I'm concerned.
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Sidstyler wrote:I can't buy wracks or any more incubi for my Dark Eldar because they're in Finecast, and I'm now considering buying the metal beasts, which are way too fething expensive, simply out of fear that they'll be re-released in Finecast (with a price increase to boot so they're even more expensive, don't forget that)
Yeah, I really regret not getting Legion of the Damned in metal now. I was on the fence about the models - I liked them, but there were sort of iffy in-game - but there is no real way I want to hassle with the models in finecast. And, of course, the now-obligatory 18% price increase.
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Sidstyler wrote:I can't buy wracks or any more incubi for my Dark Eldar because they're in Finecast, and I'm now considering buying the metal beasts, which are way too fething expensive, simply out of fear that they'll be re-released in Finecast (with a price increase to boot so they're even more expensive, don't forget that)
I refuse to buy the official Wracks because it's £20.50 for 5 of the buggers. (I prefer just to use converted Plague Monks.) and both the single Grotesque I bought (for a conversion) and the Lilith I bought were both flawed. I replaced the Lilith once, (though the replacement had a hole in its buttcheek), and considering I was converting it anyway, rather than wait another week for a replacement, I just took it and accepted it. The Grotesque had a few issues (minor resculpting of the stomach, hole in 2-3 muscles, a couple of spines missing due to bubbles, hole in its side, holes in the liquifier gun...) but again, I was converting it (this one quite heavily) and didn't want to wait another week+ for another likely flawed model and just went with it.
And while the material seems nice to work with, I can't say I'm really impressed with many, if any of the finecast models I've seen and don't care to pick up anymore any time soon.
As for the beasts - converting them out of chaos warhounds, or other fantasy squads of beasts works nicely (I want to do this soon..) and the Beastmasters out of regular Hellions, is ultimately cheaper and more effective. The only Beast unit I'd consider buying is the Razorwings or the Clawed Fiend (but frankly, the Clawed Fiend kind of sucks for what he costs vs what he does.)
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Ouze wrote:The fact this thread still exists makes me really sad.
Same here. I've been checking new releases at the local store out of morbid curiosity and it doesn't look like Finecast has gotten any better at all, and we're fast approaching the one year anniversary of its supposedly-rushed release. I'm disappointed to say the least. I can't buy wracks or any more incubi for my Dark Eldar because they're in Finecast, and I'm now considering buying the metal beasts, which are way too fething expensive, simply out of fear that they'll be re-released in Finecast (with a price increase to boot so they're even more expensive, don't forget that) and I won't be able to get those awesome khymerae or the big furry guy without giant holes or chunks missing out of them. I'm also afraid of what Finecast crap will be coming out for Tau whenever the hell they finally get updated. When buying GW models it's plastic or nothing as far as I'm concerned.
The Privateer Press Cryx line is a great place to go for Dark Eldar stand ins and conversions.
I've looked elsewhere for finecast alternatives, picking up some Avatars of War and PP Everblight models for my Dark Elves and an Eden Yellow Shinigami for my Necrons. I gave up on buying finecast after seven of nine purchases turned out to be junk. The one good thing I can say for the whole finecast debacle (de·ba·cle/diˈbakəl/ Noun: A sudden and ignominious failure; a fiasco.) is that it has opened my eyes up to many other miniature lines that I might never have looked into otherwise.
A Town Called Malus wrote:Just because it is called "The Executioners Axe" doesn't mean it is an axe...
azreal13 wrote:Dude, each to their own and all that, but frankly, if Dakka's interplanetary flame cannon of death goes off point blank in your nads you've nobody to blame but yourself!
Sidstyler wrote:Tell them you'll send them back, but you want a refund.
what for each modle?
Well, for however many you bought I assume, lol. I wouldn't ask for a refund for the replacements that I didn't exactly pay for, that would be kinda silly.
Funny tho! I may just send back my oringanail and ask for a refund...
There you go
Please show my how you go from the positively singular "send back my oringanail" [sic] to the decidely plural accusation that he wants 3 refunds back... If you're going to try to back up a fail, you really should double check your "proof" so you don't get smeared with the same crap.
Dude! Chill!!! It was only a joke man!
winterdyne wrote:I've got 6 25th anniversary marines (3 bases, all were gak). I paid for ONE.
I *could* assemble each and every one of them. Most will require 10+ hours of work before I could even think of priming them. That basically means they're going to sit in a dead resin pile, and potentially have the odd part raided for bitz. There's no way I'd consider 10 hours of work on cleanup (not conversion, nothing other than fixing faults!) as a fun way to spend my time. Nor would I suggest it to a client for a job.
GW are frankly selling turds in a box and telling folks it's chocolate (can't remember who said that) and folks keep accepting it. So I applaud anyone that gouges them back by not accepting rubbish, and urge them NOT TO STOP until they get a model that's as good as it should be (not just when they get bored of the process, or get one they can just about fix).
There once was a guy that said "aslong as FW doesnt have FINECAST stamped over its packaging, its NOT a finecast."
"It doesnt matter if the material is similar or the same, or the casting technique is similar or the same, because similar /= same" "show proof that you didnt order 50 of them and pick the only 1 with issue to post on dakka"
" show proof you bought the said inferior product directly from fw and not ebay, or china"
I know it doesnt make sense, but what can you do....
Yes I was like 」・ω・）」uuu！（／・ω・）／ nya！
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Even though it is not officially designated as finecast, that FW model is obviously made of a similar material and using a similar casting method, achieving the same substandard results.
A Town Called Malus wrote:Just because it is called "The Executioners Axe" doesn't mean it is an axe...
azreal13 wrote:Dude, each to their own and all that, but frankly, if Dakka's interplanetary flame cannon of death goes off point blank in your nads you've nobody to blame but yourself!
It's spin cast resin. 'Finecast' is a GW (main) brand. Forgeworld won't sell anything under that label. However I have it on good authority it's the same stuff made with the same machinery. The main difference I've noticed is that the FW pieces (just the Skinwolf I've had so far) seem to have a fair amount of talc on them.
For those that don't know, talc powder in the mould can help improve the resin flow across the mould and release from the mould. Does mean washing the parts before working though. Well it would, if they weren't awful.
Are you saying you want me to post pics of the packaging / delivery dockets? I don't understand...
Basically what Lunahound is saying is that no matter how much proof we offer, or how many pics we take, there will ALWAYS be some white knight arguing some odd angle to try and disprove what we show here.
Some people refuse to believe the truth, others just like to argue.
Kanluwen for the most part is at least reasonable to talk with and I've not seen a time when he nerd raged at someone over this or anything else. Worglock on the other hand...
So for Luna's quote, I would guess the latter spoke it.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
i finally broke down and bought some Finecast models from GW direct.
i purchased the SW Wolf Guard
and the Ork Warboss with Attack squig
I was really impressed with the SW Wolf Guard out of 10 i would give it a 9.5. there is some very minor mold lines on the flat parts of the leg armor, i only found one small bubble and that is on the bottom of the foot and will never be seen; i really had to look hard to find more bubbles and they are the size of a pinhole and are very easy to remove. Getting this model ready for primer will take less time than if i bought the metal version.
After being impressed with my first model i was eager to look at my second as this was the whole reason behind my purchase as i need the attack squig for a conversion. once again at first glance everything looked ok. there was really excessive flash on the banner but thats an easy trim, i did notice a small bubbe on his chin and thats a simple fill. there are mold lines all over but they should be an easy fix. and then we get to the single part i bought the model for. the arm with the squig... there is a bit of mold slip on the squigs feet and it could be fixed, there are bubbles on the tail and feet with the feet bubble removing good bits of detail. my squig is actually broken, from them stuffing so much into the clampack the squig's tail has broken from the hand at the pointing finger's first knuckle. the chain is ok but the squig is a loss. I will have to call for a replacement.
To be honest i would really give the Ork Warboss an 8 or 8.5, even though the squig is broken if someone did not need the squig it could easily be removed and the model would still be preatty darn good.
at this time i do not have pictures and im not sure i have anything that could take clear enough pictures to show the flaws or lack of.
Deathklaat wrote:After being impressed with my first model i was eager to look at my second as this was the whole reason behind my purchase as i need the attack squig for a conversion. once again at first glance everything looked ok. there was really excessive flash on the banner but thats an easy trim, i did notice a small bubbe on his chin and thats a simple fill. there are mold lines all over but they should be an easy fix. and then we get to the single part i bought the model for. the arm with the squig... there is a bit of mold slip on the squigs feet and it could be fixed, there are bubbles on the tail and feet with the feet bubble removing good bits of detail. my squig is actually broken, from them stuffing so much into the clampack the squig's tail has broken from the hand at the pointing finger's first knuckle. the chain is ok but the squig is a loss. I will have to call for a replacement.
To be honest i would really give the Ork Warboss an 8 or 8.5, even though the squig is broken if someone did not need the squig it could easily be removed and the model would still be preatty darn good.
at this time i do not have pictures and im not sure i have anything that could take clear enough pictures to show the flaws or lack of.
I'd personally give it an 8 or 8.5 without the squig being broken off as you've got facial bubbles, mold lines, and excess flash according to your description. I guess it depends on what scale you're using, a true 10 point scale where 8 is still very good or a video game review scale where an 8 is just above mediocre. If you've got the defining part of the model (the squig) broken and miscast (with features obliterated by bubbles) to the point where you need a replacement on top of the other issues, that's not personally for me a good cast. I've got the metal version of that model and it had no defects; ironically, I cut off the squig on mine to turn him into a big mek! To each his own I guess..
the reason i gave the Ork model was for the fact that if you did not need to have the squig the model was pretty good, i tried to be objective and look at it as a whole. Personally i need JUST the squig so in my situation the model is really a 0 as it completely fails, for someone else wanting to use it for a conversion or without the squig there is minimal work needed on the model.
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Surely any mist cast on any part of the model - except the sprue and vents would constitute a failure. When the model was made they did not know you only wanted certain bits.
Models with miscast bits should be sold as seconds or binned.
Buying a factory second model without miscasts on the bit you want would be acceptable.
The rest of the model you did not have an immediate need for should go into the bits box for future use.
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