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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Vendetta is a gunship, so other fliers being better at shooting aircraft is a good thing.

Not when the other flyer in question is a heavy bomber. I think the more likely explanation is that nobody bothered to pay much attention to how the -1 penalty for moving works on a unit that is required to move every turn.

 Peregrine wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Vendetta is a gunship, so other fliers being better at shooting aircraft is a good thing.

Not when the other flyer in question is a heavy bomber. I think the more likely explanation is that nobody bothered to pay much attention to how the -1 penalty for moving works on a unit that is required to move every turn.

I agree here the manta thunderhawk and stormbird are perfect marksmen. Eldar fw flyers are bs4+ best case scenario.... makes the nightwing a great interceptor when it's as likely to hit as the Phoenix bomber or how the vampires are the only super heavy flyer that has a penalty...

Oh hey, and the dumpster fire continues. FW didn't bother putting the flyer movement restrictions on the Marauders, so my heavy bomber can now out-turn air superiority fighters.

Hey guys,

How do renegades work? Do they get access to AM tanks?

So, those Sentry Pylons are pretty fast for a gun emplacement. Should be a fun surprise when they charge.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Hey guys,

How do renegades work? Do they get access to AM tanks?

These are the AM units they get. Otherwise, they have the faction keywords CHAOS and RENEGADES AND HERETICS. The regular Milita Squads are also pretty bad.

Cheers.

What. Is. The. Issue. With Renegades getting the malcador Infernus! I want to burn things!


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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Cheers.

What. Is. The. Issue. With Renegades getting the malcador Infernus! I want to burn things!

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And there definitely were renegade sabre platform models. FW forget this.. shame as the new searchlights some amazing

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Cheers.

What. Is. The. Issue. With Renegades getting the malcador Infernus! I want to burn things!

And there definitely were renegade sabre platform models. FW forget this.. shame as the new searchlights some amazing

Sorry, only loyal servants of the Emperor gets to burn things :^)

But yeah, it's a bit of a sloppy job for both the Death Korps and the Renegades and Heretics, although the former came out better in the end. Hoping for an update to Vraks to come within a year or two.

Can you guys please post all the rules issues you find with these books (including the SM & Chaos IA indexes as well) into this thread:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/727559.page

Please make sure when you do you're clear about which index its coming from, which faction/unit the issue is about.

Thanks!

How many points are tetras and what BS do they have?

Seems the Tau bomber can't fire it's Macro Weapons, because the craft itself isn't Titanic. And always has to move.

8th edition might be a complete dumpster fire, but at least we have MOAR SPACE MARINES:

 Peregrine wrote:
8th edition might be a complete dumpster fire, but at least we have MOAR SPACE MARINES:

Funny looking space marines

XeZZ wrote:
How many points are tetras and what BS do they have?

They are garbage, bs 4+ and make a single to hit roll for placing 3 ML markers. They get -1 to hit for moving.

 Peregrine wrote:
Oh hey, and the dumpster fire continues. FW didn't bother putting the flyer movement restrictions on the Marauders, so my heavy bomber can now out-turn air superiority fighters.

You think that's bad? The Tau Tigershark AX-1-0 can't even fire it's own main weapon because they forgot to add a keyword to it. Oh Forgeworld stay classy. Meanwhile in GW land it's space marines around every corner. Tau with a loss rate closing in on 90% and the community saying this is all great since at least we have more space marines. :( Naturally the Tau famous for giant battlesuits can't even get a good titan in 8th. Nope can't give the filthy dirt Tau players anything.

Has anyone checked over the Ork stuff? Just wondering if we can clear up the whole Mega Dred problem so I know if the books a complete loss.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Has anyone checked over the Ork stuff? Just wondering if we can clear up the whole Mega Dred problem so I know if the books a complete loss.

No mega dred, no problem.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Oh hey, and the dumpster fire continues. FW didn't bother putting the flyer movement restrictions on the Marauders, so my heavy bomber can now out-turn air superiority fighters.

You think that's bad? The Tau Tigershark AX-1-0 can't even fire it's own main weapon because they forgot to add a keyword to it. Oh Forgeworld stay classy. Meanwhile in GW land it's space marines around every corner. Tau with a loss rate closing in on 90% and the community saying this is all great since at least we have more space marines. :( Naturally the Tau famous for giant battlesuits can't even get a good titan in 8th. Nope can't give the filthy dirt Tau players anything.

They gave you 7th Ed all wrapped up with a bow. What more do you want??

(satire)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

XeZZ wrote:
How many points are tetras and what BS do they have?

They are garbage, bs 4+ and make a single to hit roll for placing 3 ML markers. They get -1 to hit for moving.

Are you serius?

feth. I have four of these.
I didn't expect MUCH, as markerlights, and tau in general, seems to be pathetic in 8th, but this is absurd.
Why bother with what is basically 3 pathfinders and costs like 8?

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau with a loss rate closing in on 90% and the community saying this is all great since at least we have more space marines. :(

Really would like to know where you got that figure from.
I know this is anecdotal and all that, but around here Tau are doing just fine.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Has anyone checked over the Ork stuff? Just wondering if we can clear up the whole Mega Dred problem so I know if the books a complete loss.

No mega dred, no problem.

Well , standard FW rules writing at its finest. Maybe I'll get to use my model in 6 months time but how they could mess up with so many units as they seem to have and not pick up on it is anyones guess.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Has anyone checked over the Ork stuff? Just wondering if we can clear up the whole Mega Dred problem so I know if the books a complete loss.

No mega dred, no problem.

Well , standard FW rules writing at its finest. Maybe I'll get to use my model in 6 months time but how they could mess up with so many units as they seem to have and not pick up on it is anyones guess.

I cannot agree more... Orks got plain and simple.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Are you serius?

feth. I have four of these.
I didn't expect MUCH, as markerlights, and tau in general, seems to be pathetic in 8th, but this is absurd.
Why bother with what is basically 3 pathfinders and costs like 8?

I've got four as well. Terribly sad.

If they had made the weapon 3 separate shots AND allowed the vehicle to move and shoot the markerlight without being penalized it still wouldn't have been worth the 53 points it costs for one of these.

But having it be a one-shot deal AND the fact that its -1 if the Tetra moves? You've got to be kidding me.

Just a quick few questions, are there technically any bonuses for using the different Leman Russ pattern turrets, and any bonuses for using the alternative hull pattern? Also, do the Chimeras get their Autocannon turrets back? And lastly, any bonus for using the alternative Hell hound hull over the vanilla one?

 Freddy Kruger wrote:
Just a quick few questions, are there technically any bonuses for using the different Leman Russ pattern turrets, and any bonuses for using the alternative hull pattern? Also, do the Chimeras get their Autocannon turrets back? And lastly, any bonus for using the alternative Hell hound hull over the vanilla one?

The Conqueror and Stygies Vanquisher have Co-axial storm bolters, otherwise no for the Ryza patterns.
The Mars hull has +1Sv against S4 or less.
Death Korps Chimeras can take autocannons, normal ones can't.
Artemia Hellhound is identical to normal Inferno cannon but rolls two dice and discards lowest for number of hits.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau with a loss rate closing in on 90% and the community saying this is all great since at least we have more space marines. :(

Really would like to know where you got that figure from.
I know this is anecdotal and all that, but around here Tau are doing just fine.

It's the loss of JSJ which makes tau players sad, myself included. However that just means I need to adjust my play style.

The tiger shark AX-1-0 is pretty disappointing as well, since it's 2 heavy rail guns (which are 260 points for both!) are macro weapons and thus can't be fired on the move by non-titanic units (which the tiger shark is not). As a supersonic flyer it has to move, and therefor can never fire its very expensive heavy rail cannons. The barracuda, and basic tigershark fighter bomber look alright for the points though. The real gem is the Y'varha, clocking in at 395 points with it's weapons, not including the 2 support systems it can take. Oddly enough, it can take a normal shield generator for 40 points, though that's hardly worth it.

 chalkobob wrote:
The tiger shark AX-1-0 is pretty disappointing as well, since it's 2 heavy rail guns (which are 260 points for both!) are macro weapons and thus can't be fired on the move by non-titanic units (which the tiger shark is not). As a supersonic flyer it has to move, and therefor can never fire its very expensive heavy rail cannons.

Another failure for inferior Tau technology! How can they hope to stand against superior Imperial munitions?

It's just a mistake in the rules, there are far too many even considering Forge World's usually lax quality control. I guess they didn't have enough time.

 taemu_touhi wrote:
It's the loss of JSJ which makes tau players sad, myself included. However that just means I need to adjust my play style.

Ratlings stole your jump jets!

I'm starting to agree with Peregrine over this, although to a far lesser degree. It just seems like quite a rushed mess. It is like the vanilla indices fell to the normal FW level and the FW ones fell the same amount. Example:

Macharius Vulcan: If this model does not move during the Movement phase, in the preceding Shooting phase, change this weapon's Typeto Heavy 30 until the end of the turn.

So going by RAW (as I think we all know what RAI is for this) you could fire 30 shots as long as you don't move next turn? Or FW have somehow invented time travel.

Does anyone know if Corsair Princes still a thing?