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 Formosa wrote:
Sold out insanely fast, so much for "fans want 8th, 7th will kill the game"


So how many copies did they make, and how many % of the HH fan base bought it? And how has that fan base and it’s growth changed since the unfortunate demise of Alan and subsequent shelving of plans to move to 8th? These are the questions you would need to answer to make that statement.

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Personally I only play the Great Crusade using Laserburn rules and lead models.

Too many bandwagon jumpers coming in with their resin models ruined HH for me.

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Mymearan wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Sold out insanely fast, so much for "fans want 8th, 7th will kill the game"


So how many copies did they make, and how many % of the HH fan base bought it? And how has that fan base and it’s growth changed since the unfortunate demise of Alan and subsequent shelving of plans to move to 8th? These are the questions you would need to answer to make that statement.


Really, they are are they. Funny how nobody needed to put in that level of investigative and speculative work to declare that the sky was falling and HH was doomed, one person's anecdote about them and a guy they knew was sufficient

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Personally I only play the Great Crusade using Laserburn rules and lead models.

Too many bandwagon jumpers coming in with their resin models ruined HH for me.


Oh sarcasm is a hard thing to understand on the internet
For every ten people who get the joke, there's going to be that one guy who thought you were being serious.

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 gorgon wrote:
Eighth? More like 12th or 13th by the time FW wraps things up. I suppose that it's *possible* that they skip ahead to the Siege and ignore every other space on their timeline. Doesn't seem very likely though, and IMO it's been established that FW is better left working at its own (often glacial) pace rather than trying to 'tie in'. Inferno missed the intended tie-in by months, AND was still clearly a rush job in the rules department.

I'm very, very unenthusiastic about 30K sticking with 7th. That decision killed most of my personal 30K momentum, and caused a lot of communities to dry up.

I heard the same arguments about BL wrapping up HH as quickly as they are when I mooted that express timeline, and look what happened there. People insisted at least ten more books on top of any already announced before they'd even start the Siege (pushing the total to almost 70 books) and its looking like they will hit 50 (or be very very close to 50) before the siege starts now.

It feels like with Alan's passing all of the momentum and drive to move FW's HH onwards has gone. We haven't seen many new models previewed for ages, we should have had book 8 launched back end of this year. Most of what has come out in the last few months has been either custodies stuff previewed early this year or legion themed doors and upgrade kits. I can't see FW selling much volume of anything recently, they need more books to drive the sales of new models that the majority of 30k Marine players want to buy.

I'm expecting a huge push to get FW's HH wrapped up quickly now that FW has had a chance to grieve and regroup after Alan's passing. That still means a 24 to 18 month timeline before the first Siege book lands, and I've no idea how many books they will milk the Siege for nor what will come afterwards.

Heres the last timeline that I saw:


I would be highly surprised if FW miss launching Angelus at the HH weekender in February. I would guess 4 to 5 more books after Angelus at most. I'm expecting the publishing rate to ramp right up to three books a year, at least for next year to catch up on the book that was missed this year.

The drive for FW to move HH or the successor of HH to 8th must also be strong, they won't do that till HH is finished, hence the extra pressure to finish HH sooner rather than later.

 Mymearan wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Sold out insanely fast, so much for "fans want 8th, 7th will kill the game"


So how many copies did they make, and how many % of the HH fan base bought it? And how has that fan base and it’s growth changed since the unfortunate demise of Alan and subsequent shelving of plans to move to 8th? These are the questions you would need to answer to make that statement.
Is it more likely that the first batch that sold out included the limited edition summary cards and the second batch did not? And as FW can't upload (for whatever reason) a second batch to automatically appear after the first batch was sold out we had to wait for somebody to do it manually?

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 Looky Likey wrote:
Is it more likely that the first batch that sold out included the limited edition summary cards and the second batch did not? And as FW can't upload (for whatever reason) a second batch to automatically appear after the first batch was sold out we had to wait for somebody to do it manually?


Except offer still going on. More likely demand simply crashed the server making it give false sold out.

Just waiting to see how much christmast money received so I can put in my order. Hopefully sheets haven't ran out by then!

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Blah, it appears they would not give two sets of sheets for 2 books in the same order. Had to cancel everything :(

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I'm guessing the 2nd batch was the ones saved for the Open Day and they'll hope to rush the next batch in for the event or just fo orders for it with free postage on the day.
   
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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I'm guessing the 2nd batch was the ones saved for the Open Day and they'll hope to rush the next batch in for the event or just fo orders for it with free postage on the day.


Or we could use this post by Tamwolf on 30k forum:

"Looks like demand temporarily crashed the order server this morning! But FW sent out a message saying it's fixed and they have more rule books available"

I'm banking on that. Book don't just go out of stock and suddenly get more copies out just like that.

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 Mymearan wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Sold out insanely fast, so much for "fans want 8th, 7th will kill the game"


So how many copies did they make, and how many % of the HH fan base bought it? And how has that fan base and it’s growth changed since the unfortunate demise of Alan and subsequent shelving of plans to move to 8th? These are the questions you would need to answer to make that statement.


How many copies did they make? Not enough


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How many copies did they make? Not enough

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Well, as I can add to cart at the time of writing, I'd say "enough" was more likely.

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I'm waiting a couple more weeks before I order, because I want to add some doors to the order, so saving some more cash up.

Very happy about this though, I've seen such a resurgence of excitement in all the local FB pages I follow for 30K. It definitely seems that the "cooling" we saw was because people were just waiting for the rules to come out.

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 djones520 wrote:
I'm waiting a couple more weeks before I order, because I want to add some doors to the order, so saving some more cash up.

Very happy about this though, I've seen such a resurgence of excitement in all the local FB pages I follow for 30K. It definitely seems that the "cooling" we saw was because people were just waiting for the rules to come out.


Well certainly here people still seems to be excited and generally comment regarding staying 7th has been akin to "thank god"

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Well, as I can add to cart at the time of writing, I'd say "enough" was more likely.



Odd, it didn't post my entire reply and posted It twice ???

   
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Anyway, got my book today; nice to finally have rad-phage actually make it into a book somewhere. Also, the summary sheets are really nice, with a high-gloss finish all over.
Going through the rules there are a few things I wish they had taken the opportunity to change while they could but overall it’s basically 7e+ as expected.

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See if you can spot the mistake on the to wound chart on the summary sheet.
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Stealth nerf to the Typhon perhaps?
   
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So are there any real differences between 7th and Age of Darkness beyond Invisibility being removed?
   
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Well now, these look by far better than the first one, imo.

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 Imateria wrote:
So are there any real differences between 7th and Age of Darkness beyond Invisibility being removed?


A number of things. The Grenade FAQ was removed for one.

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I would be interested in that too as I still have my 7th edition rulebook and if there's only a few changes then I might as well just download the cheat sheets.

Oh are all 7th edition psychic powers the same? As I just found a stack of cards


 
   
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I'm willing to bet someone will eventually make an unofficial changelong from 7th to HH's "8th"

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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Daston wrote:
I would be interested in that too as I still have my 7th edition rulebook and if there's only a few changes then I might as well just download the cheat sheets.

Oh are all 7th edition psychic powers the same? As I just found a stack of cards

I gather Invisibility has been replaced.
   
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 Looky Likey wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Eighth? More like 12th or 13th by the time FW wraps things up. I suppose that it's *possible* that they skip ahead to the Siege and ignore every other space on their timeline. Doesn't seem very likely though, and IMO it's been established that FW is better left working at its own (often glacial) pace rather than trying to 'tie in'. Inferno missed the intended tie-in by months, AND was still clearly a rush job in the rules department.

I'm very, very unenthusiastic about 30K sticking with 7th. That decision killed most of my personal 30K momentum, and caused a lot of communities to dry up.

I heard the same arguments about BL wrapping up HH as quickly as they are when I mooted that express timeline, and look what happened there. People insisted at least ten more books on top of any already announced before they'd even start the Siege (pushing the total to almost 70 books) and its looking like they will hit 50 (or be very very close to 50) before the siege starts now.

It feels like with Alan's passing all of the momentum and drive to move FW's HH onwards has gone. We haven't seen many new models previewed for ages, we should have had book 8 launched back end of this year. Most of what has come out in the last few months has been either custodies stuff previewed early this year or legion themed doors and upgrade kits. I can't see FW selling much volume of anything recently, they need more books to drive the sales of new models that the majority of 30k Marine players want to buy.

I'm expecting a huge push to get FW's HH wrapped up quickly now that FW has had a chance to grieve and regroup after Alan's passing. That still means a 24 to 18 month timeline before the first Siege book lands, and I've no idea how many books they will milk the Siege for nor what will come afterwards.

Heres the last timeline that I saw:


I would be highly surprised if FW miss launching Angelus at the HH weekender in February. I would guess 4 to 5 more books after Angelus at most. I'm expecting the publishing rate to ramp right up to three books a year, at least for next year to catch up on the book that was missed this year.

The drive for FW to move HH or the successor of HH to 8th must also be strong, they won't do that till HH is finished, hence the extra pressure to finish HH sooner rather than later.

 Mymearan wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Sold out insanely fast, so much for "fans want 8th, 7th will kill the game"


So how many copies did they make, and how many % of the HH fan base bought it? And how has that fan base and it’s growth changed since the unfortunate demise of Alan and subsequent shelving of plans to move to 8th? These are the questions you would need to answer to make that statement.
Is it more likely that the first batch that sold out included the limited edition summary cards and the second batch did not? And as FW can't upload (for whatever reason) a second batch to automatically appear after the first batch was sold out we had to wait for somebody to do it manually?


It was mentioned at the Weekender that there will be 20 black books covering the Heresy, so we are a long way off.

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Thamor wrote:
It was mentioned at the Weekender that there will be 20 black books covering the Heresy, so we are a long way off.
That includes the books for the Siege and the aftermath. BL have announced 4 books for the Siege alone, way more than I was expecting so it wouldn't surprise me if 3 or even more black books were devoted to the Siege. I would also expect a book or 2 for the aftermath as there is a lot of immediate after battle that need to be covered before the scouring. That makes it roughly 15 black books before we see the Siege starting. My estimate is 12 black books before the Siege, as I suspect the publishing timeline for HH has been ramped up. BL's HH has been coasting in neutral for a long time, then suddenly put the pedal so far down it went through the floor. I'm expecting FW do the same. I am sure this is due to a direction change dictated by GW...
   
 
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