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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
SickSix wrote: Well I sure hope Shrikes are still in the book otherwise I have some useless models.
Unless they're in a book by Forge World and are 40K approved, which would still make them a perfectly legal unit, then yes you're correct. Winged paperweights.
Enough. Next post that I find to be off-topic results in account suspension. No more meta posts; no more snarky responses to meta posts; no more snide comments at all.
THe wings on the Harpy are just Way to small to support something that size. THey should have added a bit more plastic and given the wings a tiny bit more reach.
Supposedly, primes and hive tyrants get a special type of bonesword that's AP2. That's a pretty old rumor though, dunno if it's been discredited or not.
Well Tyrants are already AP2 so that hardly matters for them. However if the upgrade costs are reasonable, Boneswords and Rending Claws could be a decent combo on Primes/Warriors, now that we know it gives a bonus attack. From a Prime that'll be something like six WS6 I5 attacks on the charge, and any 6's rolled will outright kill most units. Amazing for challenges.
I was merely saying that I had empathy for those who had the 4 spore pod list, especially if they put a ton of time in to creating it. It is always a bummer if an army's play style changes dramatically and one really enjoys that play style. Sure the spore pod heads of the world could play space marines but I would venture to say it was a combination of the bugs and the spore pods not just the spore pods themselves.
I too spent time sorting out my own spore pods, but to be honest I'm really not sorry to see them go. They take up precious storage space for an army that's already tricky to transport, give up easy kill points during games and rarely spent more than a turn or two on the board against savvy opponents.
From now on if I have the room to bring them, my spore pods will be used as some Tyranid-themed terrain to fight around. At least that way they're used for more than 1-2 turns.
Souleater wrote: I would be surprised if they have been removed. After all, FW make the kit for them.
My money says that Shrikes aren't in the codex, but instead later this year we'll get IA4 2nd Edition with updated rules for things like Shrikes and Sky-slashers that FW still make. IA4 is due for the next update, and that would help keep the ranges nicely separated, while allowing people to still use their cool toys. FW might even do a Mycetic Spore too!
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sennacherib wrote: THe wings on the Harpy are just Way to small to support something that size. THey should have added a bit more plastic and given the wings a tiny bit more reach.
Other stuff looks pretty good.
I don't know, just because the Harpy is big doesn't mean it's heavy. There's dozens of ways it could be believably explained within the lore.
Regarding the earlier discussion of Hive Tyrants and Boneswords, remember that Hive Tyrants are Monstrous Creatures. Their attacks are AP2 regardless of whether or not the sword is AP3 or not.
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sennacherib wrote: THe wings on the Harpy are just Way to small to support something that size. THey should have added a bit more plastic and given the wings a tiny bit more reach.
Other stuff looks pretty good.
I don't know, just because the Harpy is big doesn't mean it's heavy. There's dozens of ways it could be believably explained within the lore.
Regarding the earlier discussion of Hive Tyrants and Boneswords, remember that Hive Tyrants are Monstrous Creatures. Their attacks are AP2 regardless of whether or not the sword is AP3 or not.
I'm guessing it's probably got hollow bones (like birds) and possibly the expanded ribcage is full of some sort of gas like helium that helps its buoyancy in air. The wings are also extended forward in the pose, so they look a bit smaller from a couple angles.
Hmmm... I'm fairly underwhelmed by this release so far. The flyers look, well, like flyers, like GW got a plane and nidified it. The Flyrant is what I imagine Tyranid flyers to be like, not those mono-pose, rigid ones. The Exocrine is pretty cool, but at the end of the day, it's a big gun. The Haruspex's vomit is over the top, the Warriors look largely unchanged (though finally they've put boneswords in the kit!) and although I like the idea of the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard box, especially with all the new options, £42 is very expensive, even if they are big, chunky, dual-kit models.
Sounds like there's a lot of biomorphs that have been (re)added, so here's hoping the rules at least will be good!
My first impression of the Harpy was that it looked a bit too fat and wings a bit too small.
Something that big just doesn't feel right being that fat and small winged. Looking at birds, the only birds that have short wings and fat bodies are small birds, any large birds have much larger wings.
You could argue that the Harpy is super fast and has some crazy propulsion system to keep it's speed up and thus needs smaller wings and can get away with a fatter body... but it just doesn't look right to me.
sennacherib wrote: THe wings on the Harpy are just Way to small to support something that size. THey should have added a bit more plastic and given the wings a tiny bit more reach.
Other stuff looks pretty good.
I don't know, just because the Harpy is big doesn't mean it's heavy. There's dozens of ways it could be believably explained within the lore.
Regarding the earlier discussion of Hive Tyrants and Boneswords, remember that Hive Tyrants are Monstrous Creatures. Their attacks are AP2 regardless of whether or not the sword is AP3 or not.
I'm guessing it's probably got hollow bones (like birds) and possibly the expanded ribcage is full of some sort of gas like helium that helps its buoyancy in air. The wings are also extended forward in the pose, so they look a bit smaller from a couple angles.
I like this explanation a lot! It would also explain why it's typically got lower Toughness than other Monstrous Creatures.
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My comment was actually a query as to whether or not we will still be able to combine the effects of all of our different CCW as we can now or if they have removed that ability.
@HMBC: I hope STs get bumped up to re-rolling all misses with just a single pair. It would help Hormies a lot.
The Shadow wrote: Where is everyone getting these rules rumours (no Pod, bonuses for extra CCW etc) from?
No pod in the dex is a legitimate rumor, as no one has confirmed it yet. However, there are several bits of evidence to suggest it. We've seen the Hormagaunt, Warrior, Termagant profiles so far, and neither had a Spod option.
The +1 attack from CCW is confirmed and you can see it with your own eyes on the Black Library digital preview of the new codex.
Ordered the codex and a Harpy/Crone from my local Games workshop and picked the wife up a Riptide to round out her Eldau for the coming battles at home.
If the rules are good Ill just buy a Haruspex next Saturday, Im relatively sure they wont sell all of them.
Ordered the codex as soon as I saw it, I for one cannot wait to start reading it from front to back. Got myself a harpy and a haruspex to cause the 360 degree view was simply beautiful, had to resist from buy more than one, that can wait till I've finished my 30 gargoyles on my desk!
Stupid question, but I presume that the tyranid swarm box, is our new battleforce and wont be a limited time only offer such as the carnifex brood? Cause im desperate for one but if it is a limited time thing I'll grab one just cause to buy it all separately is almost double the price!
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Its listed as £20 pounds in white dwarf but £27 on their website!
Actually, they've dropped in price: it used to be a 12 model box, it's now a 20 model kit which actually lowers the price per model a (small) bit.
He's referring to the typo in the white dwarf - it lists the 20 pack of gaunts as $33 usd in the magazine but they're $44 on the website (2.20 per gaunt). The 12 pack box is 29.50 (2.46 per gaunt) so it is overall cheaper.
White dwarf typos have happened before -- when tau came out and crisis teams were repackaged into 3 man boxes, white dwarf initially said they were $75 but it turned out they were only $65 for 3.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
i havent been following this thread much, but are you guys telling me that right up until today (04.01) there hadnt been any leaked pics? now thats impressive.
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Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
My money says that Shrikes aren't in the codex, but instead later this year we'll get IA4 2nd Edition with updated rules for things like Shrikes and Sky-slashers that FW still make. IA4 is due for the next update, and that would help keep the ranges nicely separated, while allowing people to still use their cool toys. FW might even do a Mycetic Spore too!
IN our round of the London shops today (to pick up White Dwarf, order a codex, psychic cards and a Crone), one GW employee suggested there might be a second wave a la Dark Elves, and an indie employee suggested FW might produce spores. They might well be reading the same rumour sites we are, but it's a good reminder that the context is certain to change.
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I think my post got lost in the mix of rapid posting earlier but if you look at the WD entry for Warp Lance its now assault 3.
Pretty massive buff to Zoanthropes.
I am just wondering now if taking CC Flyrants (Scything Talons, LW & BS, Toxin Sacs) and then trying to roll Warp Lance from the Psychic table is going to be a much better idea.
In theory, the Hive Tyrant could shoot a vehicle with its Lance and then charge them, hitting first, rerolling 1's and to wound rolls (which are minimum 4+) and causing ID on a 6 to wound still with its AP2.
Seems like a great idea to me!!!
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sennacherib wrote: THe wings on the Harpy are just Way to small to support something that size. THey should have added a bit more plastic and given the wings a tiny bit more reach.
Well, everything with wings in all GW games (or anyone else's miniature games, for that matter) has too small wings to support itself. Otherwise you'd get real problems fitting the models on the table. It's the same reason transport vehicles couldn't realistically fit the correct number of people, or why weapon ranges are ridiculously short compared to model sizes.
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