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I am a 40k player.
Lots of my friends play fantasy.
I was thinking about starting a fantasy army.



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Please leave suggestions as to which army.

What 40K force do you have?

And what are you looking for in an army?

Chavaly?

Big blocks of infantry?

Artillery?

Magic?

Or something thats a mix of the lot?

Necrons and sm.
Maybe cavaralry and artillery.
I don't know.
Lizardmen?
Chaos?
Bear in mind I know little about wfb.

Lizards and chaos are both elite armies. Basic troops are tough, in some cases as tough as your opponents elite regiments. But you pay the price in points, leading to a lower model count.

When you say 'cavalry and artillery', the first army that springs to mind is the Empire. Artillery fire second only to dwarfs, hard-hitting knights, fast cav in the form of pistoliers. Detachments give you a bit of flexibility in your infantry.

However, in addition to playstyle, it is important to consider which army you find cool! Even if Empire fits your playstyle, but you don't like their look, you may not enjoy playing Empire.

Sure.

Play Daemons (Tzeentch & Khorne) - it's a great starter army, as you ignore a lot of the annoying stuff in the rulebook, and can just concentrate on smashing face.

Not to mention that if you play Daemons, you can have both a 40k and Fantasy army all in one lot. One of the reasons I played them in 40k in the first place, was because they could double as a fantasy army. It has worked really well so far.

Just pick a force you wouldn't mind playing in both systems, Tzeentch and Nurgle seem to be the most popular, but Khorne is also well represented.



Clay

Fantasy has a lot more appeal for me personally with the new rules for 40K I just don't have the enthusiasm for 5th right now.

I always wanted to do something Nurgle-y but I'm not to sure about Tzeentch.

If you start playing Fantasy you will not go back to 40K for a while. And when you do, it'll be like "What the h3ll!?"

40K is a game that GW makes to get people playing Fantasy.

Please don't do deamons they are too cheesy for words pick an army on models you like painting as with almost any fantasy army you are going to be playing a gak load of models


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i didn't say gak i said sh!t

He's a total n00b to WFB, so Daemons will get him competitive very quickly. Plus, he won't have to worry about learning Psychology or Fallback moves because he's ItP and UB.

Quite frankly, the more Daemons armies out there, the better WFB becomes, because it forces GW to correct the game.

Tho, wouldn't it be funny if Daemons became the Space Marines of WFB?

GW could do all Daemons all the time! Every WFB player owns a Daemon army. NEW Daemon Codex every year!

Awesome!

Not so keen on 'competitive'.

Orcs and Gobblins

Fun to model and fun to play with a mix of most play styles and their Green so are at least the same colour as Nurgle.

Also fun animosity tests!

Might try orcs'n'goblins & lizardmen.

whitestagg wrote:40K is a game that GW makes to get people playing Fantasy.

That is probabley the truest quote I have heard in a long time.

WHFB is much more tactical, ere go, much more enjoyable to play. Regarding what army to play, based off of your last post I would suggest Orcs & Goblins. You'll have to deal with animosity, but that is part of what makes them fun to play. They have a large variety models to choose from to truly tailor a specific list to suit your play style. If you don't mind painting (especially of you decide to go the way of the gobbo) have fun with greenskins.

WFB is more enjoyable if you've got one of the more broken armies that ignores nearly all of the negatives in the ruleset. If you've got a weaker army, it's pure hell to show up and get smashed for no good reason.
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O&G? Yeah, what a great way for a n00b to get started: Here's an army with every possibility to self-destruct in glorious fashion, without you making a single mistake!

I'm with JHDD here- Fantasy used to be a good game, but codex creep means that it's just wiiierd these days.

"WHFB is much more tactical"

Rubbish. I play both, have won or nearly won tourneys at Adepticon (2nd in 40k Invitational 2 years ago, 1st in WHFB Devastation last year), and play every week. I know what I'm talking about. Anyone who says that Fantasy is more tactical than 40k is either using a different definition than the rest of us, or simply has no idea what they are talking about.

It's self evident. To be tactical you want less luck, more choices. Go or Chess is a great example of a highly tactical game, no luck and as many choices as there are moves (or, really, hands in Go, as certain moves lock you onto tracks for...nevermind.). War is a great example of a nontactical game, no choices and luck all important.

40k has less luck than fantasy (more dice for the important rolls makes them more regular, less crucial game changing rolls, less rules built to turn the game without human intervention), and more choices (in a given round a 40k unit can move in any direction, then run in any direction, or shoot, and/or assault, then possibly massacre in any distance. They can embark and disembark, deep strike and have up to 3 different mission types. In a given round a fantasy unit can march in a limited direction/fashion, maneuver and basically remain dstationary, just changing facing or charge. When charged they may choose to flee, unless they are ITP.)

I'm not saying that WHFB is better or worse than 40k. I am saying that WHFB is less tactical, dramatically so.

^QFT, tho I like BeetleJuice's "Checkers" rant better.

Usually, tho, when a WFB player says their game is more "tactical", they take a different definition. What they mean is that WFB has more fiddly rules (charge order, constrained movement, static CR, psychology).

What they never admit is that everybody designs their WFB armies to avoid as much of the fiddly rules as possible. Nobody wants to suffer limited movement, psychology, etc.

And amusingly, the UB ItP armies are *clearly* on top right now (DoC, VC)... Obviously, WFB *must* be about "tactics", when such "tactical" armies are preferred and winning...

I am thinking about starting a Fantasy army and i love zombie, but not GW zombies, those models suck. Is there a good zombie army? In WH40K I really used to like 50man conscipts with commisar, so is there anything similar to that??

Yes, "wet" Undead (Vampire Counts) are good. Top tier, currently.

40kenthusiast wrote:"WHFB is much more tactical"

Rubbish. I play both, have won or nearly won tourneys at Adepticon (2nd in 40k Invitational 2 years ago, 1st in WHFB Devastation last year), and play every week. I know what I'm talking about. Anyone who says that Fantasy is more tactical than 40k is either using a different definition than the rest of us, or simply has no idea what they are talking about.

Negative, assuming one accepts your two examples of tactics.

The majority of tactics in 40K come from the list you build and deployment. I enjoy the tactics of moving, baiting, and setting up the favorable fight that WHFB offers. You don't get that same type of game tactics in 40K. I'm not bashing the game, and I can concede that my phrase "more tactical" may be in error. Let me correct it and say WHFB offers a different set of game tactics.

JohnHwangDD wrote:WFB is more enjoyable if you've got one of the more broken armies that ignores nearly all of the negatives in the ruleset. If you've got a weaker army, it's pure hell to show up and get smashed for no good reason.

Sure, but will other people enjoy playing you. As a WHFB n00b I doubt he will be in the tournament circuit any time soon.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
O&G? Yeah, what a great way for a n00b to get started: Here's an army with every possibility to self-destruct in glorious fashion, without you making a single mistake!

I considered that, and my post assumed that he was not a n00b to the game, and could adapt.

Given the amount of Daemons being played, it would appear that opponents don't have a choice.

Having to plan around Animosity doesn't help a new player at all.

whitestagg wrote:If you start playing Fantasy you will not go back to 40K for a while. And when you do, it'll be like "What the h3ll!?"

40K is a game that GW makes to get people playing Fantasy.

Weirdly I went the opposite way I first fully started with 4th edition Fantasy in 1992 when RT was in its end days I didn’t take up 40K till much later. But I think it was partly to do with the timing and more to do with that fact I enjoyed LOTR books and the animation at the time and was playing Hero Quest and Battle Masters before that.

As to what army it depends weather you want to play to win and power game not worrying as to the models or army you use or if you want to enjoy collecting an army which you like the look of or if you don’t mind playing some of the more quwerky armies out there which won’t necessarily give you victory but make for a fun and different game for both players?

I've never got round to doing a major Fantasy army. Trying to make everything rank up really bugs me. Thinking about having another stab at it when Skaven are released next month. I'm liking the sound of some of those War Engines! Warhammer Apocalypse here we come

Lizardmen!! You can paint them any coulour scheme you want, and they are tough as old boots, just like my
ex-gf *shuuder*

I'm going to throw out the suggest of Wood Elves.

Nothing quite like having the Terrain on the board fight for you, or being able to Teleport and 'Deep Strike' in Fantasy...


I've gotten people to be quite paranoid about coming anywhere near a forest on the board.

I'm having jitters about whfb...........I hear da orks calling to me (metaphorically).

Play whoever you think looks the coolest; you can learn to enjoy playing any army really, especially if you already enjoy looking at/painting them

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sure.

Play Daemons (Tzeentch & Khorne) - it's a great starter army, as you ignore a lot of the annoying stuff in the rulebook, and can just concentrate on smashing face.

seconded they are probably the most *noob-friendly* army in the game considering you can make pretty much anything work with anything else.

or you could go empire lots of tactical flexability. so i'd say if you on and extreme budget then daemons otherwise you can go with either.


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oggers wrote:I'm having jitters about whfb...........I hear da orks calling to me (metaphorically).

if thats the way you wanna go then you might want to think about putting the following items on your shopping list:

orcs and goblins army book.
orcs and goblins army box. (if it's still available)
orcs and goblins brigade.
giant?