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Does anyone take units just for the sheer number of shots they can fire? I know Swooping Hawk exarchs have some neat tricks and a full Conscript Squad could do some real damage with the fire-by-ranks order, giving them a total of 90 shots at 12".

At the top of my list, however, is a Leman Russ squadron with three Punishers. That's three S5 Heavy 20 weapons. Did someone say DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA?

So, what do you use when you'd rather scream and fill the air with lead than just grab a plasmagun?

Sure
Lootas- everything counts in large amounts!
Same goes for Shoota Boys!

Not much, but i do take things for the shear amount of melee attacks it can throw at you

I have taken 4hb havoc squads, cause i like rolling lots of dice. Pity they didn't do much...

Rate of fire isn't everything in the current vehicle heavy environment. Sure, the value of AP (against infantry) has been reduced with the abundance of cover saves, which has made high rate of fire weaponry more powerful. Most of these multiple shot weapons have a low Strength though, so they are fairly useless against vehicles. That is exactly the problem with most of these units. Units that do have multiple high Strength shots are usually pretty strong (Lootas, Scatter Laser War Walkers).

Ork Boyz with Shootas,Dire Avengers with Bladestorm thats Dak Dak alright SM tac squad with Bolters rapid fire also Devestator squad made up entirely of Heavy Bolters its all about how you like ya lead!

Cant say no to a Dreadnought with an assault cannon cant really say no to assault cannons.

Still haven't heard any feedback on those Punishers; will my opponent just refuse to play when I pull out those 60 hit dice?

To be honest, punishers aren't that great. They cost too much, are too specialised and in most cases other things can do thier job better.

You can't just say "OMG that's a lot of shooting." Sure, 600 points of punishers represent a lot of anti-infantry fire. But do they represent better anti-infantry fire than 600 points of hell-hounds, or 600 points of Valkyries with MRPs? I don't think they do.

I agree that they're impractical, but they're just so much fun.

Double Scatter Laser War Walkers. That's DAKKA!

Noise Marines. 30 bolter shots per turn. Now THAT'S dakka.

Funny, my other army of choice is CSM, and I also run Noise Marines. And yes, I couldn't agree more, Noise Marines are great at pumping out DAKKA! Though I usually have 9 sonic blasters and a Blastmaster.

I should play an all heavy bolter squad of devastators someday, just for fun

On that note, I like assault cannons, 4 rending shots per gun is LOTS of dakka! (Big-shootas are neat too, most ork players actually favor the DAKKA over the rokkit launcher)

3x Punisher sounds fun, but 3x hydra also has lots of dakka, and is simultaneously better than the punisher.

Well, not at anti-horde. At anti light vehicle it's great, but the 3 punishers is better at killing guardsmen, orks, gaunts, etc.

Seriously, 60 shots at BS3 is 30 hits, S5 means vs gaunts and guardsmen is 25 wounds. a 5+ save is 16-17 dead. Against orks is is 30 hits, 20 wounds, and still 16-17 dead.

Not too impressive for the points, is it? But better than the hydras, 12 shots, 9 hits, 7-8 wounds, no saves, so 7-8 dead.

Canonness Rory wrote:Well, not at anti-horde. At anti light vehicle it's great, but the 3 punishers is better at killing guardsmen, orks, gaunts, etc.

Seriously, 60 shots at BS3 is 30 hits, S5 means vs gaunts and guardsmen is 25 wounds. a 5+ save is 16-17 dead. Against orks is is 30 hits, 20 wounds, and still 16-17 dead.

Not too impressive for the points, is it? But better than the hydras, 12 shots, 9 hits, 7-8 wounds, no saves, so 7-8 dead.

If you are already playing IG, you give your Chimera's heavy flamers for the anti-horde, which do loads better than than the punisher, especially when you start figuring in a 4+ cover save that they would be getting against the punisher.

Canonness Rory wrote:Well, not at anti-horde. At anti light vehicle it's great, but the 3 punishers is better at killing guardsmen, orks, gaunts, etc.

Seriously, 60 shots at BS3 is 30 hits, S5 means vs gaunts and guardsmen is 25 wounds. a 5+ save is 16-17 dead. Against orks is is 30 hits, 20 wounds, and still 16-17 dead.

Not too impressive for the points, is it? But better than the hydras, 12 shots, 9 hits, 7-8 wounds, no saves, so 7-8 dead.

Hmm, you did say points there. Three punishers come in at 540 points, three hydras at 225. So that actually makes the hydras more impressive for the points. And the hydras could be doing their work from twice as far away, so against hordes that also helps make the hydras a bit better.

Sliggoth

Leman Russ Punishers are meh. I've used them and I haven't been impressed. Like others have said, you'll only hit with 10 shots on average and S5 AP- isn't so hot. About the only thing it's good for is slaying my friend's daemon prince. Guard has much better stuff for killing hordes in the elite (PBS S9 AP? is tasty), heavy support (pretty much any other LR variant) and fast attack slots (Valkyries and Hellhound/Banewolf are all nasty).

This being said, I wouldn't be opposed to rules for a Vulture fast skimmer with twin-linked punishers. I think that would be rather effective both at getting rear shots on things (okay so it's ap-, but still!) and potentially negating cover saves with more mobility. Sure having two separate cannons would be awesome, but the twin-linking would be nice since you could still fire 'one' weapon while moving 12" since you'd be fast.

DoW

One word: Havocs.

8 str 7 shots a turn is pretty nice, even if its AP 4. Doing 6-7 surefire wounds > 1 ap 1 wound I think

Torrent of Fire is My favourite way of going about it. I am trying a bit to break away from it, but it's so much fun...

And for no cover save goodness, I like BA vet assault squads with Flamers and combi flamers, or Inquistor lord and retinue. Incinerator, three flamers and three combi flamers (Just a maybe. I normally do incinerator and two flamers)

Cart loads of Gretchin used to be useful in 2 ed now a days im not exactly sure tau battle suits with burst cannon nad the cyclonic Ion thingy can send out a lot of shots

Cart loads of Gretchin used to be useful in 2 ed now a days im not exactly sure tau battle suits with burst cannon nad the cyclonic Ion thingy can send out a lot of shots

For anti-Cover/anti-horde, 5 Chosen of Chaos with 5 Flamers can be fun :p Sure there overpriced, but they hurl lots of Fire!

My IG playing friend tried the Punisher (admittedly just one) against my ork horde. Big build up during deployment and my first turn, I really didn't like the idea of 20 S5 hits and he knew. That fear lasted right up until it fired and killed a paltry two boyz. Very m'eh.

He's now using Executioners against me and those things should be in breach of some sort of international convention for the amount fo hurt they do!

I'm a fan of conscripts, only have the minimum of 20 at the moment but 60 shots from them into power armour usually takes out more than their points worth before they inevitable mincing in close combat they recieve in return. They're also a great large squad for slowing marines down for a turn as they can block off such a large area of the battlefield to enemy movement until their dealt with.

Owain wrote:Does anyone take units just for the sheer number of shots they can fire? I know Swooping Hawk exarchs have some neat tricks and a full Conscript Squad could do some real damage with the fire-by-ranks order, giving them a total of 90 shots at 12".

At the top of my list, however, is a Leman Russ squadron with three Punishers. That's three S5 Heavy 20 weapons. Did someone say DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA?

So, what do you use when you'd rather scream and fill the air with lead than just grab a plasmagun?

They can get up to 150 if you take the full 50 man squad. Also take the special character to give them their own version of Without Number and they should be able to take out anything short of Toughness 7 and higher and Vehicles. Not all 150 will hit, but it's kind of cool how many dice you'll need to roll. Use it against Terminators

Obsidian: nice Brattacus image, I haven't thought about that game in over 20 years!!!!

You want Dakka? Twin-lined dakka guns! I run 12 Biker boys in every army just for the shooting (and cover saves for other units)!! Best Dakka per point for the orks!!!

PipeAlley wrote:
You want Dakka? Twin-lined dakka guns! I run 12 Biker boys in every army just for the shooting (and cover saves for other units)!! Best Dakka per point for the orks!!!

:O wut? 12 biker boyz is over 300 points! I could have 30 shootaboyz with 3x big shootas for less than that! Not that I'm saying they are bad, just that for the points, there are indeed orks with more dakka. (neat thing about bikerboyz though, is that they are essentially shoota boyz and slugga boyz combined )

12 biker boyz is on average 14 saving throws vs. T4 targets. 30 shoota boyz is on average 10 saving throws vs. T4 targets.

15 burna boys in a battlewagon. Drive up, place the template. Cover 6-8 guys and roll 90 - 120 to wound rolls.

Will most likely kill any unit in the game that can be hurt by S4.

I think somone posted the 120 STR6 shot Eldar army

It was i think 3 squads of Warwalker w. Scatter Lasers, 3 9 man Squads of Warp Spiders. 1200 points minimum.


Someone posted the 45 - 135 shots with lootas

3 Battlewagons w/ 4 Rocket launches each 24

Then I think Fast Attack was Warbikes w/ Rockit launchas


It was some ridiculous volume of fire like 250 ST7/8 shots a turn though.