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Yes, it is quite obvious that it is the same Rhino with different options, haha. Regardless, I'm very happy with it! The new old Demios style doesn't match my current vehicles at all and I was a bit afraid it would fall out of place because of it. This Rhino looks great to me. The extra bits are great and I'm looking forward to adding this to my Sisters army. The current immolater is very easily used as regular Rhino, so people who want that can still probably do so. Looking forward to see more of the previews.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Do the Inquisition models still fill in on this list? I'm interested in crossing over a Sisters of Silence squad with the Sisters squad box for some Inquisition minions/ troops for double duty for Blackstone Fortress and 40K.

There's no indication that Inquisition will be represented in the Sororitas codex*. And while GW is clearly not in a rush to reveal the full lineup. given that these days they are willing to give a codex to armies made from a single kit there's not much reason to believe that they'd stick any Inquisition units in a codex has has no background connection and only the barest thematic overlap. Assume until proven otherwise that this codex and the models released alongside it are exclusively part of the Ecclesiarchy.



*There's not indication that Inquisition is going to be represented anywhere, ever. That's what it's come...

So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

 Sarouan wrote:

A.T. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Because that's what they always did with all Rhino based vehicles ?

You'll have to provide examples.

Just go on GW's online webstore. You'll find plenty.

If I knew of any all-plastic mk2 rhino kits that GW had replaced with newer, smaller kits I would not have asked.

And it's not a search option on the website either - so please provide examples.

They… managed to make the one plastic kit we got worse?
Like, it's not bad, the details are likely better, but removing the cool top we had? That was a TERRIBLE idea! I'm glad I own multiple rhinos already.

 Casbyness wrote:
So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

Well so far there is not a single "new" model revealed - the plastics are lovely and its great but I would have hoped for at least something actually new....

 Casbyness wrote:
So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

Ain't no one getting no repressors. What was the last FW model moved to plastic? The Baneblade 10+ years ago? Ain't happening.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

Well so far there is not a single "new" model revealed - the plastics are lovely and its great but I would have hoped for at least something actually new....

That was never the deal. And, honestly... I didn't expect it, and don't blame GW for not going all into a new range after nothing for decades. If the new range really does sell like hotcakes, it will likely get bumped to early in the release cycle with new models. But they should really want real sales figures first.

Same with Repressor. It was outside the scope of the update.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Do the Inquisition models still fill in on this list? I'm interested in crossing over a Sisters of Silence squad with the Sisters squad box for some Inquisition minions/ troops for double duty for Blackstone Fortress and 40K.

Nope!

And Sisters of Silence are Astra Telepathica. Was really happy to see them call that out in today's article.

Voss wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Casbyness wrote:
So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

Well so far there is not a single "new" model revealed - the plastics are lovely and its great but I would have hoped for at least something actually new....

That was never the deal. And, honestly... I didn't expect it, and don't blame GW for not going all into a new range after nothing for decades. If the new range really does sell like hotcakes, it will likely get bumped to early in the release cycle with new models. But they should really want real sales figures first.

Same with Repressor. It was outside the scope of the update.

Why would the new range sell well when nothing's actually new? All the sisters of battle players already have most of the models and will only need to buy in piece-meal. There's no real draw for new players army wise (because it's half an army and the rules are pretty gak). They're relying on 90% of purchases coming from people liking the models enough to start a new army or people hating the metals enough that they replace their army wholesale.

If they're hedging their bets that hard they're setting the army up to fail.

May be just a feeling but I think new sisters bawx will be in sold out before you could blink.

Great rhino beautification kit by the way.

Lots of folk don't want to buy metal minis

(and a significant number will have read about them in the lore but never realised they existed as a playable faction as you cant get a Sisters battlebox at Christmas)

plus all the folk who just want more (even if it's just plastic versions of stuff they have)

I'm certain sales will be decent even if there's nothing really new (although a new unit type, heroine or vehicle will of course help)

ERJAK wrote:
They're relying on 90% of purchases coming from people liking the models enough to start a new army or people hating the metals enough that they replace their army wholesale.

And they would be correct to do so.

Though it is perfectly possible that there are some new units. If there are, those will be the last ones to be previewed.

I find the 90% number unlikely (even ignoring people that buy this just to paint, which GW has previously suggested is a not insignificant chunk of their sales), but yes.

People do replace existing models with the new versions. Back when I spent more time in gaming stores, the vast majority of release day sales of new <whatever> kits went to people who already had that army. Without fail, every time. Even when (in the case of marines) they were getting new versions of models they replaced last time there were new versions. In this case, with a 20+ year lag, I would definitely say they want to.

The sisters release is mostly going to live or die based on Sisters players (or those that say they would be, if only...) putting their money where their mouths are. After years of begging, pleading and ranting (especially ranting), it's time to pony up and prove that all the noise actually meant something.

The only reason I don't already own a 2500+ point Sisters army is because I absolutely detest assembling metal models. I've been waiting for this update ever since I got into the hobby a few years ago. The Adepta Soriritas has been my favorite Imperial faction since I started playing Dark Heresy in college. I'm not the only one.

I currently dont have Sororitas mainly due to the models being metal. Planning on getting a fully viable army ASAP and it'll be the first one to not be done piecemeal since my Squat Bikers back in the day.

The new upgrades breath new life into the venerable rhino kit and cant wait to see what they've done to the immolator & exorcist.

 EnTyme wrote:
The only reason I don't already own a 2500+ point Sisters army is because I absolutely detest assembling metal models. I've been waiting for this update ever since I got into the hobby a few years ago.

Same, except I've been waiting for twenty years!

If they pretend like the repressor doesn’t exist i’ll be disappointed to say the least. The rhino’s look great however, I use to ration Sororitas upgrade bits for my vehicle so this takes the headache out of planning a full mechanized sisters force.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
If they pretend like the repressor doesn’t exist i’ll be disappointed to say the least.

It's a FW vehicle. It is unlikely that it will be in the codex or get a plastic kit. That sort of thing doesn't usually happen.

 Crimson wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
If they pretend like the repressor doesn’t exist i’ll be disappointed to say the least.

It's a FW vehicle. It is unlikely that it will be in the codex or get a plastic kit. That sort of thing doesn't usually happen.

That’s too bad, because I thought GW was in the business of making cash money. What sisters player doesn’t seriously consider the dominion repressor combo for any style of play? GW must know of the demand for repressor upgrade kits, their price was/is stupid high. Great time to end the precedent of GW forge world relationship.

 Casbyness wrote:
So where's the Repressor? >.>

Seriously. Are we really going to see an entire new release of SoB models and rules, where yet again the Repressor is by far the best vehicle, and STILL that same best vehicle won't be re-released? Is this madness genuinely going to happen?

I'm just curious, why is everyone flipping their biscuits over this? They aren't going to show us all the toys in one go, it seems a little silly to get all scared about something that is likely not ready to be shown off yet.

Nice looking Rhino.

And glad to see that it is the existing Rhino kit.

 Crimson wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
They're relying on 90% of purchases coming from people liking the models enough to start a new army or people hating the metals enough that they replace their army wholesale.

And they would be correct to do so.

Though it is perfectly possible that there are some new units. If there are, those will be the last ones to be previewed.

There's no version of reality where that would be correct. All they'd have to do is make a few new characters and convert some units into dual kits to make people buy more and make the rules good to make people more interested. A negligible additional investment off of redoing the line already that would appeal to a much broader audience.




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Voss wrote:
I find the 90% number unlikely (even ignoring people that buy this just to paint, which GW has previously suggested is a not insignificant chunk of their sales), but yes.

People do replace existing models with the new versions. Back when I spent more time in gaming stores, the vast majority of release day sales of new <whatever> kits went to people who already had that army. Without fail, every time. Even when (in the case of marines) they were getting new versions of models they replaced last time there were new versions. In this case, with a 20+ year lag, I would definitely say they want to.

The sisters release is mostly going to live or die based on Sisters players (or those that say they would be, if only...) putting their money where their mouths are. After years of begging, pleading and ranting (especially ranting), it's time to pony up and prove that all the noise actually meant something.

The release better not live or die off of sisters players. There really aren't very many people on the planet who play sisters routinely. Even less that consider them their primary army. Even if every single one of us blew 2 grand day one (like I intend to) it still wouldn't be a huge return on investment.

All these predictions of sales mean nothing if the rules suck. A bad dex will chop the legs right out from under this release.

Sisters will be lucky to get back what viability they lost from the index. Which will still leave them far behind.

Hmmm, I really hope that GW is not doing away with the current immolator kit in favor of this for the upgrade sprew.

I'm hoping that this new rhino kit is simply a army specific upgrade sprew for the ubiquitous imperial rhino kit. Kinda like the Space Wolves rhino simply has a SW decal sheet instead of the SM decal sheet in the standard rhino box.

Lets wait to see the Immolator prevew that's coming up next.

 Shadenuat wrote:
May be just a feeling but I think new sisters bawx will be in sold out before you could blink.

Great rhino beautification kit by the way.

I already saved my beer money and gave half up front to the local store manager with express intent that this is a down payment on that box.
Maybe not a guarantee, but I also hope to save up the rest to give him next month, meaning paid in full beforehand.
So, when he sits to do the ordering himself, he can add 1 to the total.


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 dracpanzer wrote:
All these predictions of sales mean nothing if the rules suck. A bad dex will chop the legs right out from under this release.

Sisters will be lucky to get back what viability they lost from the index. Which will still leave them far behind.

Yeah, no I don't see that happening.
I see these designed to be a soup ingredient.

And to that end, I do see GW introducing an Inqusition book.
If they were wise in my opinion,
they would be pushing this with whatever new Eisenhorn TV show they are part of now ...
Go the fantastic tales and fantastic creature in spaaaace route.




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Voss wrote:
I find the 90% number unlikely (even ignoring people that buy this just to paint, which GW has previously suggested is a not insignificant chunk of their sales), but yes.

People do replace existing models with the new versions. Back when I spent more time in gaming stores, the vast majority of release day sales of new <whatever> kits went to people who already had that army. Without fail, every time. Even when (in the case of marines) they were getting new versions of models they replaced last time there were new versions. In this case, with a 20+ year lag, I would definitely say they want to.

The sisters release is mostly going to live or die based on Sisters players (or those that say they would be, if only...) putting their money where their mouths are. After years of begging, pleading and ranting (especially ranting), it's time to pony up and prove that all the noise actually meant something.

Yup. And here is what is interesting -
how well the new GW Mary-suification of the universe goes with people after they buy this starter set,
and how GW encourages further sales from this initial re-investment.

ERJAK wrote:
Why would the new range sell well when nothing's actually new? All the sisters of battle players already have most of the models and will only need to buy in piece-meal. There's no real draw for new players army wise (because it's half an army and the rules are pretty gak). They're relying on 90% of purchases coming from people liking the models enough to start a new army or people hating the metals enough that they replace their army wholesale.

If they're hedging their bets that hard they're setting the army up to fail.

Old players aren't really GW's main target group though. It's the kids who buy army or two and then it's time to move to the next kid to sell his army and be done. Veterans with old armies are of interest only as a marketing tool to draw in the next kid.


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ERJAK wrote:
The release better not live or die off of sisters players. There really aren't very many people on the planet who play sisters routinely. Even less that consider them their primary army. Even if every single one of us blew 2 grand day one (like I intend to) it still wouldn't be a huge return on investment.

You just said exact reason why they aren't too worried about "oh bohoo it's just old models plastic so old players don't buy"...Old players don't make it worthwhile alone anyway. They need and are aiming for people with zero sisters before. I'm much more of their target group than existing sister player because I don't have them yet at all and certainly are tempted(only LOTR and AT are keeping it not from immediate start the army)

I prefer the Forge World doors. Even the ones on the current Immolator are better. There's just something about these that's too Inquisitionish looking for my liking.

 Breotan wrote:
There's just something about these that's too Inquisitionish looking for my liking.

Whilst I have never watched the show, I do remember that in the first episode of NCIS someone asks the main character "Is that like CSI?" and he replies "Only if you're dyslexic". That is to say, they're not like one another other than the most superficial of readings (they both have letters in them).

I feel your comment is kind of similar, as there is literally nothing "Inquisitionish" about the symbol on the Rhino. Why? Because it's the symbol of the Adeptus Ministorum. It's about as Inquisitorial as the symbol for the Custodes or the Arbites.

barontuman wrote:
Glad that we're not seeing Deimos pattern here, they were ugly then, and I was glad to see them be retired.

Anyone else notice this :

"Well, we felt inclined to spoil you a little, so we’re actually going to show off TWO fully painted Sororitas Rhinos!"

Those are the same Rhino with different bits glued on! Just look at the wear patterns.

Hah! I didn't notice that till you pointed that out. But yeah, GW will do that on different things. They magnetize or do bits swaps on lots of vehicles or models that have multiple builds. Saves a lot of time on painting a ton of extra minis, so why not? It shows us a big variety of bits and that's what we care about.

But yeah, a little sad that they didn't show off the Deimos variant. I'm expecting that it'll be reserved for the Exorcist/Immolator, though I'd be quite happy if you could make normal Rhinos out of it. The old rhino kit needs to be retired already, it's not fun to put together and it's got a butt-ton of flash and mold line issues, not to mention requiring green stuff to make some of the panels fit flush.