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Do any of you guys think that the Fantasy world is somewhere in the 40k universe?? Just an undiscovered planet with everything still primitive with warhammer in it. Though it would suck if that planet got visited by some bugs.

I've heard conflicting things on this. Now it seems GW thinks they're completely separate, although back in the day, maybe not so much

My only real experience is playing marines in 3rd ed, and nids and tau in 5th, along with starting high elves for fantasy. Some older players probably remember more of what GW was originally thinking about the two games.

Some people theorise that the Warhammer world is a self contained world withing the Eye of Terror.

Yup, somewhere in the Eye of Terror makes the most sense.

Not anywhere are they linked.

Back in the Realm of Chaos days (WHFB 3rd Ed) days, some of the fluff in that suggested that the fantasy planet was in the 40k universe but since that it's been made quite clear they are not related.

MeanGreen is right. Before the fluff hinted that he old ones had picked up all of the 40K races and put them on one planet, the Warhammer World, to see how it would go. But so much of the fluff has changed, that the only link between them is the Warp. So I guess they are still related as being in the same "physical universe" (maybe), but not the same Galaxy/timeline. Unless of course the Tau make some sort of WFB appearance or we finally get Spaven.

Brettonia would have a serious advantage with Questing Grey Knights.

Nope its nothing to do with WHFB.

reasoning? :

in white dwarf 343, july 2008 ('i'm looking at it now) they specifically said they called it Warhammer 40,000 because they didn't want the link that would have appeared if they went with the original title: Whammer 4,000

twistinthunder wrote:Nope its nothing to do with WHFB.

reasoning? :

in white dwarf 343, july 2008 ('i'm looking at it now) they specifically said they called it Warhammer 40,000 because they didn't want the link that would have appeared if they went with the original title: Whammer 4,000

Sounds like a little history revision there, in the early days it was certainly suggested by creators that the Warhammer world was within the Eye of Terror.

possibly. i mean white dwarf can be wrong i mean this month (october) someone says that their wolf guard terminator can get up to 7 thunder hammer attack with mark of the wulfen when motw says power weapon attacks dont count.

If I remember correctly, the most recent Necron codex and the Lizardmen armybook talk about similar events, specifically the Old Ones. It's been a while though, I could just be imagining things.

I thought the old ones spanned the universe/history of time. nuff said.

I could totally see this being true. The eye of terror is a crazy place. I can see an entire world being lost, and stuck in that time frame. There are plenty of stories about entire space hulks and probably fleets, going into the Eye, and just disappearing for centuries, only to back like nothing ever happened.
I think GW is wanting to keep them apart tho, mainly so they dont start getting people saying " Well according to fluff BLAH BLAH BLAH Thats why my Vampire Counts army should be able to play in a 40k tournament"
Seriously tho, as much as people complain about the fluff and whatnot, I think mostly GW does a pretty good job on it.

GW believes in "green" writing, thus the recycling of the various races and backgrounds when they put together Warhammer 40k. While the background hinted a bit about cross over, I think any parties favoring that who were on the writing staff lost out to the opposition over time and got overruled and overwritten.

Can't remember exactly which book it was, but yeah remember it being hinted about the fantasy world being in the eye of terror.

Honestly though I think the designers just went with the idea of fantasy races in space for RT as a lot of the fluff has been changed hugely since those days, so relax and dont worry about it. Not that we can be blamed wondering if they're too lazy to come up with new ideas instead of repeating other ones

Games Workshop denied that the WHF world was in the eye of terror, although it shows strong links (Eldar/Elves, Orks/well, orks! etc.) they denied it to seperate the brands...

If it was it wouldnt be in the eye of terror - there'd be tons o' daemons, before GW denied it, it was thought it was a planet isolated by warp storms

The answer here needs a little backstory...

Warhammer Fantasy came first. When GW decided to produce a scifi game, to create a background for it they largely just took elements of their fantasy game, sci-fi'd them up, and called the job a good'un.

To explain the similarities and in some cases (Chaos Gods, for example) outright duplications between the two settings, there was a mention or two in the early days that the Warhammer world was a planet in the 40K universe, cut off from the rest of the galaxy.

As 40K developed, the races took on their own characters and slowly diverged from their WHFB progenitors. By the time 3rd edition 40K came out, the official line from the studio whenever this was asked was that the two universes were completely separate.

They still throw in the occasional nod to the original story, with things like the Chaos artbooks from the Black Library or the availability of rather 40K-sounding weaponry to champions in the WHFB Lustria campaign years ago hinting at links... but I rather think they're just thrown in for a bit of fun, rather than intended as a sign that they secretly still consider the two games linked.

Just Dave wrote:If it was it wouldnt be in the eye of terror - there'd be tons o' daemons, before GW denied it, it was thought it was a planet isolated by warp storms

That's what's happening now with the uber Daemon Army Book; the Daemons of the Warp surrounding the Warhammer World are getting stronger and stronger, kicking ass and not taking names.

Cue your best Nathan Explosion voice, "GW can't do anything riiiiggghhhhtttt!!!!!"

I always imagined both settings to be on different sides of the warp.

The gates to the realm of chaos, the warp, were creations of the Old Ones. Primarily as a means of transportation between worlds. Then, they got so decadent Slaanesh appeared, the Old Ones fell and the gates were shattered and set loose the Chaos Gods and Deamons.

Now... which 40k race has been refered to as "The Old Ones?"

yes, the Eldar

What is said about the elves in the WFB fluff (in 5th ed. for sure): They were created in the image of the Old Ones. Their Gods are the Old Ones, they lived among them untill the Gates broke. They were destroyed when Chaos arrived, like the Eldar in 40k (who barely survived the catastrophe) So, there you go. Both Worlds are linked through the warp/realm of Chaos, which keeps the denizens of both universes from interfering with each other.

Safe for the occassional Space Marine primarch plumetting through the warp and smack into the Ancient Reikland: Sigmar, whose early life has strong paralels to the stories of all (other) 40k primarchs (unnaturally quick growth to adulthood, superhuman strength, uniter of primitive tribes).
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No, the "Old Ones" of the 40k Universe "created" the Eldar, as first among all their creations. They are closest to the Slaan Mage Priests of WFB.

I assume the two games are unrelated, except when they aren't... Which is mostly little 'easter eggs' like the Albion wargear stuff they did, or the Amazons with laser pistols I've heard about, or the occasional wink-wink-nudge-nudge hint in that direction.

JohnHwangDD wrote:No, the "Old Ones" of the 40k Universe "created" the Eldar, as first among all their creations. They are closest to the Slaan Mage Priests of WFB.

My knowledge might be a few editions out of date... (40k 2nd/3d wfb 4th-6th)

But I know for sure it's the Eldar who screwed the universe with their decadence...

That's what, to me, links the two settings. In WFB "some cosmic disaster" caused the fall of the Old Ones and the ascendance of Chaos, in 40k, it's the pleasure-seeking Eldar. hence, the Eldar is to blame for Chaos in WFB

Fuedal planet, isolated by warp storms.

Elves = Exodite Eldar
Humans = Humans
Skaven = Native Rat things
Lizardmen = First Old one servants?
Orcs = Orks
Undead = Zombie Plauge
Deamons = Deamons
Chaos = Chaos
Dwarves = Squats (Shhh!)

BTW, Sigmar is a missing Primarch. Don't deny it.

Herohammernostalgia wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No, the "Old Ones" of the 40k Universe "created" the Eldar, as first among all their creations. They are closest to the Slaan Mage Priests of WFB.

My knowledge might be a few editions out of date... (40k 2nd/3d wfb 4th-6th)
But I know for sure it's the Eldar who screwed the universe with their decadence...

The Old Ones created the Eldar who, in turn, accidentally created fourth Chaos God through their decadent living. I'll be the Old Ones were rolling in their graves at that little slip up.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Fuedal planet, isolated by warp storms.

Elves = Exodite Eldar
Humans = Humans
Skaven = Native Rat things
Lizardmen = First Old one servants?
Orcs = Orks
Undead = Zombie Plauge
Deamons = Deamons
Chaos = Chaos
Dwarves = Squats (Shhh!)

BTW, Sigmar is a missing Primarch. Don't deny it.

Yup pretty much what Ive heard and think as well

Aha! See! See!?! And you all said I was mad!

Well, basically in the eighties both WFB and Rogue Trader shared a lot of references (races, some gaming mechanisms) and the developers came to cross these worlds elements.
As Insaniak said ,40K tended to be WFB in space, and using WFB elements to create a sci-fi universe it was quite natural to send some 40k elements back to WFB.

Years ago some friends tried to search in the earliest editions of both games for links between these universes (we didn't have girlfriends by this time ), and their conclusions were quite close to Emperors Faithful's conclusions, just adding that being so close to the Eye of Terror, every being has mutated to a low level Psyker (justifying the ability of learning sorcery by work rather than by birth), the warp portal explosion results of Slaanesh's birth, the Slaan were the Old Ones.

And, yes, Sigmar is a missing Primarch (his birth linked to a two-tailed comet? have you ever seen a plane in a bright blue sky? doesn't it looks like a two-tailed comet? then lets say a spaceship is just bigger than a plane! )

Chaos Champions being able to get Missle Launchers, Las Cannons and other uber weapons in WFB in the old Realm of Chaos Books sort of sealed the deal that the two were in the same universe back in the 80s and 90s. I seem to remember an Imperial unit in WFB being called the "Imperial Guard", (WD 110-117ish) which at the time confused the gak out of me.

Khornholio wrote: Chaos Champions being able to get Missle Launchers, Las Cannons and other uber weapons in WFB in the old Realm of Chaos Books sort of sealed the deal that the two were in the same universe back in the 80s and 90s.

Oh yeah! I used to play a lot of WHFRP back in those days, and my character was a Chaos Minotaur with a plasma gun - Mwahahaha you're dead!

Guess I was compensating for something

Perhaps the Warhammer 40,000 universe is in the Old World, created by a wizard who doesn't quite realise it yet. Note how he is enjoying a cup of tea and some turtle pie!