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WindsOfFury wrote:
A question for the almighty Timotheus:

My german is not so good anymore, and some translations don't make sense to me, but can you confirm that Ehrenklinge is a Relic Blade ? Because I only know ehren as honour.

Yes. Relic blade = Ehrenklinge. Though you are right, the precise translation would be honour blade.

 pretre wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Also: notice how nobody is talking about Assault Marines losing their free Drop Pod now?

Or how they got 3 ppm cheaper?

Not really. They just separated them from the jump packs for 3 ppm. Exactly the same as before with Jump Packs, more expensive with a drop pod.

 Zewrath wrote:
I know but does the multi melta razorback actually COUNT as a razorback? Or is it a special kind of razorback? If it it's called 'melta pattern razorback' then it wouldn't actually count, from a RAW POV, as the razorback that is available for free in the formation.
Am I making sense? Not sure how I should explain it otherwise.

I took it out of the translation because it was obvious, but the original German version contained page numbers for Rhino, Razorback and Drop Pod.

So assuming the Razorback options haven't changed, you can pick from TL Heavy Bolter (free), TL Heavy Flamer (free), or for 20 points, any of the following: TL Assault Cannon, TL Lascannon or Lascannon and twinlinked plasma gun.

The best option would either be las or las/plas, depending on how you want to play them. Of course, you get to either kitbash/convert or buy pricey part from forgeworld if the case is the latter

 docdoom77 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Also: notice how nobody is talking about Assault Marines losing their free Drop Pod now?

Or how they got 3 ppm cheaper?

Not really. They just separated them from the jump packs for 3 ppm. Exactly the same as before with Jump Packs, more expensive with a drop pod.

A little different with Gladius though:

Before: 85 for 5 with free drop pod. 170 for 10 with free drop pod.
CAD or Single Det: 105 for 5 with drop pod. 175 for 10 with drop pod.
Full Company: 70 for 5 with drop pod. 140 for 10 with drop pod.

 pretre wrote:

 docdoom77 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Also: notice how nobody is talking about Assault Marines losing their free Drop Pod now?

Or how they got 3 ppm cheaper?

Not really. They just separated them from the jump packs for 3 ppm. Exactly the same as before with Jump Packs, more expensive with a drop pod.

A little different with Gladius though:

Before: 85 for 5 with free drop pod. 170 for 10 with free drop pod.
CAD or Single Det: 105 for 5 with drop pod. 175 for 10 with drop pod.
Full Company: 70 for 5 with drop pod. 140 for 10 with drop pod.

The free transports formation definitely changes things, but I don't see myself ever running it. There's buying more models for a new codex and theres buying MORE models for a new codex, ya know?

 Talys wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
I know but does the multi melta razorback actually COUNT as a razorback? Or is it a special kind of razorback? If it it's called 'melta pattern razorback' then it wouldn't actually count, from a RAW POV, as the razorback that is available for free in the formation.
Am I making sense? Not sure how I should explain it otherwise.

I took it out of the translation because it was obvious, but the original German version contained page numbers for Rhino, Razorback and Drop Pod.

So assuming the Razorback options haven't changed, you can pick from TL Heavy Bolter (free), TL Heavy Flamer (free), or for 20 points, any of the following: TL Assault Cannon, TL Lascannon or Lascannon and twinlinked plasma gun.

The best option would either be las or las/plas, depending on how you want to play them. Of course, you get to either kitbash/convert or buy pricey part from forgeworld if the case is the latter

Fair enough, that does seem air tight.
Assault cannon spam it is then!!!

 Paradigm wrote:
Does anyone who can translate the equipment list know if Eviscerators can be taken by anyone else other than Assault Squads? Inquiring psychopathic Blood Angel Captains want to know!

The section on close combat weapons says as follows:

Close Combat Weapons-list
a model may replace its bolter, bolt pistol and/or close combat weapon with one of the following weapons:

Chainsword
Power claw (Lightning Claw)
Power Weapon
Power Fist
Power Hammer (Thunder Hammer)

So what are Relic Blades these days? AP 3, +1S? Are they limited to swords, or can I take a Relic Axe?

(Sorry, just don't have my codex with me at the moment! )

So is Telion an HQ IC or in another slot? People keep saying he's an IC instead of an upgrade, but can I just run Telion + 2 scout squads in a cheap Scout army?

Do we have clarity yet on whether the Librarius formation can be taken outside the "Decurion"?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Do we have clarity yet on whether the Librarius formation can be taken outside the "Decurion"?

It's safe to say, that since it is a formation, you can absolutely run it outside the "decurion." It's only non-formation auxilliaries that cannot be taken outside of "decurion style" formations.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Do we have clarity yet on whether the Librarius formation can be taken outside the "Decurion"?

All formations can be taken as stand-alones outside the Detachments.

 -Shrike- wrote:
So what are Relic Blades these days? AP 3, +1S? Are they limited to swords, or can I take a Relic Axe?

(Sorry, just don't have my codex with me at the moment! )

My guess in no change from 6ed. So S +2 AP 3 Two-handed. Only Sword, it's named Blade after all.

WindsOfFury wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Does anyone who can translate the equipment list know if Eviscerators can be taken by anyone else other than Assault Squads? Inquiring psychopathic Blood Angel Captains want to know!

The section on close combat weapons says as follows:

Close Combat Weapons-list
a model may replace its bolter, bolt pistol and/or close combat weapon with one of the following weapons:

Chainsword
Power claw (Lightning Claw)
Power Weapon
Power Fist
Power Hammer (Thunder Hammer)

I’m hoping it’s a line item purchase for captains. Similar to relics blades. Not holding my breath though at this point. Might need to make a new pair of arms. <sigh>

Requizen wrote:
So is Telion an HQ IC or in another slot? People keep saying he's an IC instead of an upgrade, but can I just run Telion + 2 scout squads in a cheap Scout army?

HQ, supposedly. Yes.


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 docdoom77 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Do we have clarity yet on whether the Librarius formation can be taken outside the "Decurion"?

It's safe to say, that since it is a formation, you can absolutely run it outside the "decurion." It's only non-formation auxilliaries that cannot be taken outside of "decurion style" formations.

 rybackstun wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Do we have clarity yet on whether the Librarius formation can be taken outside the "Decurion"?

All formations can be taken as stand-alones outside the Detachments.

Brilliant thanks. One last question; is there any sign of a freely-available formation based around Centurions? I'd love to be able to represent all my planned Mechanicus factions without having to pay a Troops tax.

I believe there's one for Assault Cents, but not Dev ones.

WindsOfFury wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
So what are Relic Blades these days? AP 3, +1S? Are they limited to swords, or can I take a Relic Axe?

(Sorry, just don't have my codex with me at the moment! )

My guess in no change from 6ed. So S +2 AP 3 Two-handed. Only Sword, it's named Blade after all.

Ah, thanks. Now I just need to find out what the banners do in this edition!
(Crosses fingers, wishes for extra attacks)

 Yodhrin wrote:
One last question; is there any sign of a freely-available formation based around Centurions? I'd love to be able to represent all my planned Mechanicus factions without having to pay a Troops tax.

Assault ones, yes. Shooty ones, I don’t think so.

From the looks of it, taking one of the Chapter Masters is an auxiliary formation of some sort, am I correct? It looks like you can take one of them and 0-1 Command Squads and 0-1 Honour Guard. Sucks, because I would rather have just taken Pedro instead of a Captain.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
From the looks of it, taking one of the Chapter Masters is an auxiliary formation of some sort, am I correct? It looks like you can take one of them and 0-1 Command Squads and 0-1 Honour Guard. Sucks, because I would rather have just taken Pedro instead of a Captain.

Kind of matches the LOW changes in other books. They want the biggest hero characters to be rare and for there to be a lower level leader on the field.

Also, I wonder how people will rule the Raptors Chapter Tactics. Currently it reads:

Strike from the Shadows (as per the Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines): Models in this detachment have the Scout special rule. In addition, on the first game turn, models in the detachment have the Stealth special rule. Note that units which contain models with any variant of the Bulky special rule do not benefit from either rule.

It's written out with the old rules, yet says "as per Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines". This wouldn't be the first time the rules conflicted, especially when GW updates something that FW references. I wonder how ITC or other organizations would rule it.

Looks like the Company Command can take bikes as an option..

Ach, balls. Ah well.

Requizen wrote:
Also, I wonder how people will rule the Raptors Chapter Tactics. Currently it reads:

Strike from the Shadows (as per the Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines): Models in this detachment have the Scout special rule. In addition, on the first game turn, models in the detachment have the Stealth special rule. Note that units which contain models with any variant of the Bulky special rule do not benefit from either rule.

It's written out with the old rules, yet says "as per Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines". This wouldn't be the first time the rules conflicted, especially when GW updates something that FW references. I wonder how ITC or other organizations would rule it.

That entire FW list being technically out dated, probably will need some heavy Housing and FAQs.

 pretre wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
From the looks of it, taking one of the Chapter Masters is an auxiliary formation of some sort, am I correct? It looks like you can take one of them and 0-1 Command Squads and 0-1 Honour Guard. Sucks, because I would rather have just taken Pedro instead of a Captain.

Kind of matches the LOW changes in other books. They want the biggest hero characters to be rare and for there to be a lower level leader on the field.

That is true. Though I may be willing to give up ObSec on everyone and just take a CAD. Pedro needs his Sternguard. And since he comes stock with FNP, I will run him with a beatstick unit. Still going to replace my two LS Typhoons with a squad of Grav Bikes eventually, but this made me not have to buy a third Tactical Squad and Rhino. I want my buffed scouts out there too.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like the Company Command can take bikes as an option..

Indeed.

@Cents formation: Only assault as stated before.

 Desubot wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Also, I wonder how people will rule the Raptors Chapter Tactics. Currently it reads:

Strike from the Shadows (as per the Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines): Models in this detachment have the Scout special rule. In addition, on the first game turn, models in the detachment have the Stealth special rule. Note that units which contain models with any variant of the Bulky special rule do not benefit from either rule.

It's written out with the old rules, yet says "as per Raven Guard Chapter Tactic in Codex: Space Marines". This wouldn't be the first time the rules conflicted, especially when GW updates something that FW references. I wonder how ITC or other organizations would rule it.

That entire FW list being technically out dated, probably will need some heavy Housing and FAQs.

Not really. The rest of the chapter tactics either have their own rules written out or just tell you to use one of the book rules. Raptors are the only ones that specifically list a book Chapter Tactic and also have it written out like that.

The english book:

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/40496270/so-lets-give-this-another-go-heres-to-hoping-this

Well, grav is 35 in the english one.