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I had assumed that was why we've seen such a drastic jump in the price of the base game, to hopefully offset the cost of everything else.

It's not like people aren't jumping in either, or chomping at the bit regardless of price for some of the expansions.

I know there's been plenty of potential buyers on BGG clamoring for the expansions.

I know that I'll be buying the (few) expansions that I didn't get, and I don't mind the price too much. The game is great and I hope to help keep the company alive so they can produce more products.

I'd actually also be on board for more "cheap" expansions.

Honestly, stacks of new gear, events, etc... would do more to extend the game's life at this point.

I definitely want all of the expansions, but feel pretty content as to where variety of monsters to fight will end up. Bring on the random dungeon crawls "Kingdom Death: Heroes" though!

I gladly paid the shipping, with everything I bought from the Kickstarter for significantly cheaper than it will now sell for? Yeah, I can pay my shipping. I would have thrown some to the Tip Jar of Death if I wasn't so damned broke right now, too, though I can understand how some people are a little grumbly over it.

I do think it's good to keep in mind that the Dragon King is easily one of the bigger (if not the biggest!) expansion(s), so I highly doubt they will all carry the $120 price tag. In the initial KS, I grabbed every expansion except for the Lion God and Lonely Tree. I nixed the Tree because it didn't really add much to the game, though, now that there are rumblings of the Lonely Muse being an actual hunt monster, I'll have to buy it! Still standing by my decision against the Lion God, though. Don't like the model, and it doesn't add armor sets.

I paid my $17, and am hoping my expansions (Flower Knight, Lion Knight, Manhunter, Dragon King, Gorm, Spidicules, & Sunstalker) some in sooner rather than later.

I am not surprised by the proposed pricing for the Dragon King major expansion, based on the kit size and detail. For comparison, GW's Imperial Knight Warden MSRP is over $150!

It's been a long ride these past 3 years, and it's exciting to see it finally reach an end.
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ETA to specify expansions; no, I didn't get the Dung Beetle Knight.

Seeing as all expansions have already been shipped to the distribution centres prior to this all, shipping them out now shouldn't be taking too long. Maybe a month tops?

If anybody fancies getting rid of any of the expansions when they arrive please pm me, regret not getting the whole lot now. (I think I need lonely tree, slender man, spidicule, gorm, sun stalker, possibly the man hunter too)

I picked up less expansions than I remember, but Poots may catch the cash in retail later, so I don't feel too badly about it.

I think I got the Tree, Slenderman, Flower Knight, and Lantern festival. Wished I'd had the Dragon, but eh. I was being cheap at the time.

Extra shipping doesn't bother me (I could see why EUR or ROW could be bothered, but whatever). He's put out a premium product for far, far less cost than anyone expected. Sure, he should've budgeted better etc etc, but I feel for him as a creator.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
I could see why EUR or ROW could be bothered, but whatever

Assuming one ordered many/all expansions, I'm not sure even with the increase in shipping that they're making out worse compared to what they shelled out for in 2013 when it was all going to be shipped from NY, USA. Since now the expansions are being shipped from within the EU, I'm pretty sure there will be no customs which for large orders could have added up to quite a bit. Plus in some countries (such as the UK), there's fees to be paid for the collection of the customs fees...and I'm sure a tax on the fee for the fee. So if your country is somewhat slapdash about customs it would be a diceroll on being worse/about the same/better. If your country is brutally efficient at collecting customs (Hi Germany!) then you're likely to be better off.

That presumes you have many expansions though; I've seen folks that ordered one or two expansions where it's a bit steep. Poots in the comments does seem willing to work with people who have special hardship or other considerations (e.g. - Military, lack of credit card, etc.).

 Krinsath wrote:
... Plus in some countries (such as the UK), there's fees to be paid for the collection of the customs fees...and I'm sure a tax on the fee for the fee. So if your country is somewhat slapdash about customs it would be a diceroll on being worse/about the same/better.

In the UK it's more commonly known as the Royal Mail feth you fee

Poots definitely put together a super-premium boutique product. Exceeding his original spec by a considerable margin, and that drove some additional cost. Had he killed more of his darlings during editing, the game might be a bit tighter and the cost somewhat more in line with original expectations.

Damn it. Since he intensified his desperately childlike bleating today I just put in the $17...to ship one expansion...which I already paid shipping on since all I ordered were expansions. I'm definitely going to follow up on this when I'm less busy, especially if he tries to charge again for the Lantern Festival.

Not happy.

Another tibit from Adam in the comments,

the Herald of Death stuff comprising the Lion Knight Expansion, Manhunter Expansion and Green Knight mini-expansion (free to $300+ backers) cost about $100,000 to develop

If I had known the charge was coming, I could have budgeted for it.

You totally should message him Bob, from the sound of things he'd be happy to deal with outlier situations like yours.

I'm really curious about the lantern festival. If the Dragon, Sunstalker, and Spidicules boxes ended up as big as they did...

We could be in for an ever bigger box, along with extra shipping charges in the end.

Lantern Festival is likely to be as large as Dragon King. If there is a shipping surcharge, it should be less than the $17 that was recently assessed.

Extra shipping fee is BS, only giving people 24 hours to pay it is BS, being a flat rate no matter how many expansion you ordered is BS (I only ordered 1), being 2 1/2 years late is BS.

I really don't care how much they will eventually retail for compared to what I paid at this point.

The models are lovely and all but I am amazed at how much slack most people are giving this project. If someone like cmon or mantic had handled a project like this the internet would be on fire.

And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

I imagine the leniency can be attributed to a few things: the quality of the product; the flat shipping benefitting those with many expansions; the savings over retail.

As has been pointed out, those things don't necessarily matter to everyone but I believe they matter to most.

Im with you Tamereth, Im not the most vocal on the forums but I have expressed displeasure with the update progress, and some of the shipping issues. Its all generally met with the same line of reasoning and excuses. Poots was a business prior to the kickstarter, he should have known what he was getting into. I would venture to say had people been complained more up front about things rather than patting him on the back and telling him its ok, we would not have seen the shipping fees.

@Dentry Ya, having $17 shipping for ALL the expansions, I cannot argue as much as say, Tamereth. I think Poots either didnt think it through, or he is using the people who are over paying for shipping to balance out the people not paying enough. We will never really know though.

 Tamereth wrote:
The models are lovely and all but I am amazed at how much slack most people are giving this project.

If someone like cmon or mantic had handled a project like this the internet would be on fire.

The models *are* lovely, and *HUGE*, and that is why Adam gets as much slack as he gets. Yes, he could have done a better job communicating, but he has been working (hard) on the project, and he is delivering. Ultimately, we are all going to get all of the stuff we're supposed to get, and it will be of the highest quality that Adam can produce. That counts for something. Cheap & GREAT is why it's late!

If this were a CMoN activity, things would have delivered on time, but it would have been small, rubbery PVC models and very mediocre production quality. CMoN gives you what you pay for, and they are timely. Fast & Cheap, as it were.

No experience with Mantic, though my sense is that they work the "cheap" part of the triangle like crazy.

If you want to see the Internet on fire, I am willing to sell my Robotech stake to you, plus actual S&H from me to you. Aside from the Wave 1 base game, it looks like delivery has been pushed to 2017, assuming Palladium delivers...

All in all, I'm OK with Kingdom Death, and would likely support a small KS with them in the future.

You only have 24 hours to pay for it? Where did it say that?

the warehouse wants things out the door double quick since they are overbooked (i'm guessing the KD stuff arrived later than planned either to do with china, shipping from there or customs so we're right at the end of the booked window)

so if you don't pay by the 18th you may not catch the first round of shipping they do (after which they'll be doing other shipping for other people and have to come back to KD when they're done probably towards the end of march)

but i'm sure as long as you pay in a reasonable time you'll get your stuff eventually

(the please complete and pay within 24hrs is in the update, the why came from Adam in the comments)

Yes, but some of us cannot pay even though we want (despite the complains) and tried immediately.

Did anyone catch where the US orders are going to be shipped from? L.A. like the core game or NY (self-shipped) like Wave 1 or new warehouse?

As these are large boxes and expansions (only), I'm assuming LA like the core. NY was a messy pick-and-pack operation.

 BrookM wrote:
And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

Well, I'm basically paying shipping I already paid instead of pledging for Shielwolf's shieldmaidens, so that stung. I also don't have time to work things out right now with Poots since I'm busy and he has a deadline. Plus, a lot of the harshness comes from guilt as well as anger, because I can sympathise with that sinking, gnawing feeling he must have in his gut whenever he runs the numbers and sees how the don't add up, seeing the fruits of all his hard work and his vision slipping away from him in a vortex of despair. So, I want to help him out because of that sympathy but not enough to give up on new shinies, which makes me feel selfish. So I harden my heart. Then I do what always helps me feel better: go complain on the Internet.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And people say I'm harsh for being pissed that there are still no instructions.

Well, I'm basically paying shipping I already paid instead of pledging for Shielwolf's shieldmaidens, so that stung. I also don't have time to work things out right now with Poots since I'm busy and he has a deadline. Plus, a lot of the harshness comes from guilt as well as anger, because I can sympathise with that sinking, gnawing feeling he must have in his gut whenever he runs the numbers and sees how the don't add up, seeing the fruits of all his hard work and his vision slipping away from him in a vortex of despair. So, I want to help him out because of that sympathy but not enough to give up on new shinies, which makes me feel selfish. So I harden my heart. Then I do what always helps me feel better: go complain on the Internet.

Have an exalt for honesty.

Yeah, as someone in a similar place to Bob re: understanding and sympathizing, I've some pretty mixed feelings on this last bit.

On one hand, I completely understand how frustrating it is to feel the need to go back on your word with delivery issues.

On the other, I feel he's not really taking sufficient responsibility for some things: it was his choice to make things more expensive (not that I'd ever complain about switching from PVC to HIPS) and it was his fault that things got late and cost more, and things have taken forever so there'd been plenty of time to put out instructions instead of work on post-KS new content.



...TL;DR: Don't have a problem with the extra shipping charge, but feel the lack of instructions and tip jar are tacky.

Every project I've managed via backer kit has had a tip jar, so I'm not certain if that is down to KD or just part of the platform?