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@ChocolateGork: Yeah, it's really nicely painted & flocked... got if off e-bay from a guy who had painted and was selling several sets. Very nice.

@pie: The tower is an old piece from GW for their fantasy line. Came "painted" and flocked. I keep thinking I'm going to give it a different wash and hit the details, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Woods: Area terrain, difficult terrain, impassible to non-walkers, 5+ cover.
Our house rules for forests are as follows... You can only see/shoot into or out of the first 2" of woods (this represents that fact that usually plant growth is most dense right along the edge where there is a lot of sunlight). Once in the woods, sighting/shooting distance increases to 12" as long as the other thing you're trying to shoot at is also in the woods (representing far less under-story in a dense woods due to limited sunlight). This allows woods to act like woods, and units can move unseen and unmolested through them, forcing you to either go in after them or deal with the consequences. Also makes units with the "move through cover" rule much more handy. With the typical tiny woods you see in gaming, it won't matter, but with the more realistic sized woods we use, it's major. We've had some great battles on "forest worlds"... but everyone needs to know what you're doing ahead of time so they can build their lists accordingly.

Lake: completely impassible.

Tower: Impassible to non-walkers. 4+ cover, not difficult if you move on stairs & main walkway

Ruins: This time there is no area terrain status... WYSIWYG

Pipeline (upper right). 5+ cover if obscured... however... the top of the pipelines are made to hold a base perfectly, and to encourage people putting models up there ('cause it looks cool), the pipes also confer a 5+ save to any models on them. Getting on & off pipes requires a difficult terrain test. Once you're up there you can move freely until you want to come down.

Effluent Plant: 4+ area cover, difficult terrain

Nice! I like the rules! Have you thought about an exploding pipe? Like if someone uses an AP 1 weapon and rolls a 6, the pipe blows up and all models on the pipe suffer like a strength 4, AP 5 hit.

That's a neat idea, but counter-productive. The point of giving a cover bonus for being on the pipes is to encourage people to use neat terrain. If we then make it so that people can blow themselves up when on the terrain it'll just discourage them from using it.

But even armor 14 bastions can splode! Id agree the risk wouldnt be worth the reward in this case tho.

Gitsplitta wrote:That's a neat idea, but counter-productive. The point of giving a cover bonus for being on the pipes is to encourage people to use neat terrain. If we then make it so that people can blow themselves up when on the terrain it'll just discourage them from using it.

Communication problem! I'm sorry, I think I left out a part. I meant opponents get a single hit in when aiming at a unit on the pipe, in addition to the regular shooting attacks. The soldiers on the pipe wouldn't blow up the pipe when they attacked because they'd have to shoot the pipe.

I agree, an exploding pipeline would be cool, but how about this:

Don't tell any players about it at first. If a blast weapon hits it, the pipe explodes and hits, all units on it have to take a difficult terrain test. if they fail, they get removed

Gitsplitta wrote:I appreciate everyone being patient whilst justice is meated out to those two ner-do-well sons of mine.

I promised you a battle report though. The game will be on sunday but I set up the table today... so here's a little teaser.




This is a four by eight foot table. As you can see we use woods that are more representative of woods, rather than a couple of scraggely trees like you typically see on gaming tables now a days. At the moment the battle is shaping up into four people, 1500 points per person, orks vs. marines.

That board is an artillery mans dream, I could just put a bassi down or two and own it up..... Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, can't wait to see the bat-rep, may the Imperials triumph over the xenos filth. Ave Imperator

All-right... got the images uploaded for the battle report... it was a short battle due to time constraints, but a good one. Everyone got into the mix and everyone had a major accomplishment. We also has a clear winner... so all good. Hope to post the report later today, tomorrow at worst. Then it's back to painting!

Agreed nice to see the retro figures out and about, superb skills koodos to your son

Slightly off topic but playmobile makes great impromptu terrain,woods, rocks, even a castle (slightly out of scale) me and my brother use it all the time

O.K., here we go.


First, my old friend (Solar_Lion) shows up with a box of really cool, home-made city ruins and starts to salt the table with them. He'd told me that he was bringing some old terrain for us, but really... these are very, very neat... not the cardboard buildings we used to play with 15 years ago. Very sweet. I re-arrange it a bit to make it a little less busy (there were no shooting lanes) and we get ready to rock & roll. My friend's space marine chapter (the Solar Lions), were teaming up with Thing 1's Doom Eagles to take on a combined ork force run by myself and Thing 2. Each army (4) was 1500 points and had it's own FOC. This was also Solar_Lion's first 40k game since 3rd edition, so it would be a good learning experience for everyone. I don't have the rosters with me at the moment, but you can see from the 1st pic what was on the table... We each deployed in (roughly) each corner of the table, so you can probably figure out who had what. Thing 2 is in the far left corner, I'm in the near left corner, Solor Lions are in the far right corner, Doom Eagles are in the near right corner. Pitched battle deployment. 5 objectives on the table... sorry I didn't mark them... one dead center, our two in the woods on either side of our table, one of their's on the near right corner, the other is in the top of the tallest building in the back on the right.

Deployment:



The one thing I forgot to not on the pic is that there is a Solar Lion scout unit on the top floor of the building holding the objective. Everyone has basically the same objective... go forward and kill everything. Keep it simple.


Turn 1:

Orks
The orks go first. Basically the entire ork force with the exception of the grots holding the far objective, the two gun wagons and mysteriously enough... thing 2's warbikes... charges forward at full speed. No shooting. The Lootas run through the woods in order to get a decent firing position on the scouts who will be holding the near objective, hoping to clean off the only scoring unit in the area on the next turn. The tankbusta wagon barrels forward, as does nearly everything else. The shootas move up to support the center with gunfire, with the idea of eventually sliding over to the right to hold the near ork objective.

Marines
The Doom Eagles advance aggressively with their librarian led assault squad and full terminator squad to threaten the ork dominance of the middle ground, while the Solar Lions form a gun line along the right flank. A very risky Solar Lion drop works brilliantly and a dreadnought appears in the ork right flank to threaten the gretchin holding the objective while a second Solar Lion Dread moves in from the deployment zone. The Doom Eagle scouts claim their objective and hunker down. The marines open fire with expected results... the vindy blows a huge hole in the aard boyz squad nearest to the center objective, but not enough to put them to flight. The tankbusta's battle wagons explodes, killing about half... but they stay as well and hunker down in the crater along with the Big Mek. ML shots from various units kill scattered orks here and there, but no "results" of note occur. Multi-melta on the dread removes a warbiker from the scene, as does a shot from the drop pod's storm bolter.




Turn 2:

Orks
The ork hoards continue to advance and start seeking shelter in the burnt out buildings. The tankbusta's move forward and pile shots and bomb squigs into the Vindy, stunning it and buying the orks a turn of grace. The Loota's open up on the Doom Eagle scouts holding the objective and roll 3 shots each. Even though a good chunk of the unit is still obscured by trees, the rest are able to purge the scouts from the scene. Zoggy successfully turns the Doom Eagle librarian into a squig!! Which allows the Kans to pile into them with relative impunity in assault. The bikers, miffed that their dakkaguns can't hurt the dred, charge it, hoping the nob's PK will suffice. The assault squad loses only 2 to the Kan attack, thanks to the force dome of the squig librarian (we weren't sure if the psychic power ceased to work if the Libby was squigified... so I gave the SM's the benefit of the doubt). They voluntarily fall back to make room for the termies to charge into the Kans on their next turn. The Solar Lion dreadnought failed to hit any of the crafty ork warbikers in the assault phase, and was rewarded by a power klaw up the wazoo in return. One less dread.

Marines
Termies and assault marines trade places so their relative weaponry matches up better with the foes at hand. Solar Lion dread continues to advance towards Thing 2's forces, while the land raider moves 6" to get a better line of fire on the ork deff dread. Marine shooting is effective as ever... lascannon fire from the LR destroys the deff dred, the assault squad bolt pistols enough tankbustas that the Big Mek is now out on his own. The Predator, with nothing better to do, delivers a lascannon shot through the chest of the Big Mek leaving a dinner plate sized, smoking hole... KFF be damned. There is a lot more shooting of ork infantry, but nothing else significant. The Doom Eagle termies charge the Killa Kans, and by some amazing invulnerable saving throw rolls by Thing 1, escapes with only 2 casualties before delivering like... a million penetrating hits. Only 1 blows up though, though the others are destroyed multiple times over.




Unfortunately, this is where things had to end as it was 8 pm and my friend had a 4 hr drive back home. But... we had fun, and each boy had his moment of glory... Final score: orks held the center objective and one of their own (go gretchin!), marines held one of their two objectives. 2:1 Orks Win!!! (yeaaaaay!)

Speaking of moments of glory.... here they are...


The return of SquigNorton...


Thing 2's successful warbike assaullt...


Thing 1's Kan eating terminators...

Dude those flames are awsomesauce!

Thanks for the game. It has been a long time. I only wish that we could have played the following two rounds. I’m boasting the results would be different. ; ) Special note : 2 rounds lost 1 dread… hummmm
On a side note and keeping with the thread. Let me say… I was impressed on how much thing 1 knew his stuff. I let him decide the strategy and left me to figure out my own tactic’s. My guess is that the more games he plays the better field tactic’s he will get. Also his understanding of advantages and disadvantages of his units was pretty good for such a young guy.
Thing two was much more reserve. I’m guessing his style of play- is more undefined and cautious. ( after all he is playing with Dad – and wants’ to do well) This is more likely a product of age. It would be interesting to see him play a more reserved army other than Orks. Something with less troops and more direct purpose. With my lack of troops and fire lanes, he should get “stuck In”.
I have to say you were good at letting them make their own choices but gave great suggestions and jumped in only when needed. With time they will be playing without you. Hopefully it won’t erupt in to a real fight. After all boys will be boys (I’m referring to the boys here).
I look forward to the day when they are staring us both down without fear across the table.

Again.. thank you and the boys for the great game.



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PS. Anolther observation...It was fun to see thing's 2 overwealming determination when he sets his mind to it. IE. The Dread was going down no matter what. Even if he had to clog all the vents with gretchen. Not really a game objective, but funny to watch him get worked up.

Yeah, you know... that wasn't the way he started (Thing 2). He was balls-to-the-wall crazy aggressive when we first started... perfect for orks... but he teamed up with his brother enough (who usually plays very conservatively) that it seems to have rubbed off. Now he gets cranky when he loses figures and wants his piece of meat in return, but often does not take the aggressive action he should for fear of losing men or machines. And Thing One's gotten more aggressive... go figure. Thing One's voluntary fall back was good... that was new for him. YOU left him high-and-dry though! Making all that noise in the pre-game about charging forward and "the Emperor will protect" and then hiding behind your barricades and shooting while he had to fact the ork onslaught on his own! Bad space marine, no biscuit!

Wish my son had the diligence yours do, he seemed really hyped after I let him play a couple of practice games using a unit each from my army, so we pieced him together a small force of chaos to get him started using some old models (He chose chaos himself, so the majority of his army looks like recently turned, because there are a lot of loyalist models due to second handed-ness)

Thing is he has only painted half of one of his units so far, and loses interest half way through assembly, asking me to finish it for him.

Same goes for the two 1500 point battles we've had so far (his current army he owns somehow comes exactly to this total), resulting in him declaring half way through that his army was just going to sit there and do nothing so I could kill it off, especially in the second game where my hammerhead managed to pop his defiler on turn one.


Though to counter this I may scale back to having 500 point battles for now.

"YOU left him high-and-dry though! Making all that noise in the pre-game about charging forward and "the Emperor will protect" and then hiding behind your barricades and shooting while he had to fact the ork onslaught on his own! Bad space marine, no biscuit! "

In actuallty. the quote was in responce to thing 1's comment on were gonna get killed. ( based off of the number of models consuming square footage on your side of the table) - to which I reply... And I quote from Brent... " Marines don't die, they aren't allowed too. They can't be killed cause the Emperor won't allow it.

As for the wait and shoot approach.. this was thing 1's original plan. To shoot for 2 turns and thin the hoard. Again good strategy. His tactics didn't support his strategy.

In all his choice of units supported a more agressive stance. Thou eventually I feel he/ we would have pull this one out. We had two different types of armies. Mine more shooty, his more agressive.

I feel no shame, ORK boy! I did what I was told. I even managed to sacrifice a dreadnaught to keep the bikers occupied in order to not be overrun/ flanked giving more time for your center to advance allowing me to focus my attacks on the center.

Honoris Virtuis Preamium


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... still he did very well! with all the heat coming his way. he lost a scout squad, Lib ( squignorton ) and 2 termies. Got some vech. shot up. For all the pain he got he delivered way more than he got.. ( Emperor protect )

He did well under fire. His overall planning skills are coming along nicely and I know who is teaching him....

It would be nice to have more units at my disposal. I had to play what I had and I look forward to the re-match.

With that said.. I say thanks for helping me with all the rules. Thou I'm not going to be Thing 3 unless I get my own room!


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I now return you to your regular scheduled blog

Dude i saw a doctor suess shirt with thing 1 on it today at kohls. I almost got it for ya but i thought it may have been creepy. I lol'd at it tho.

@tiny5th: Be patient, it'll come with time. Thing 1 has a peer group that plays, that has a big influence on him and keeps him going. With my 6-year-old it's another story... he's interested, but is a lot more fickle. Maybe having him do half the unit is OK for now, then each time ask him to do just a little bit more. It's a lot to ask, all this modeling and painting. One caution with 500 pt battles, they tend to have very lopsided outcomes with so few points on the table. You might go with down sized units rather than only a couple of full-sized units.

@Solar_lion: *grin* Got-cha! Nope, you handled it right, nipped the self-defeating attitude in the bud before it could get started. You're right, he did a lot more damage than he took, I was just playing for time and the objectives.... figured we wouldn't get more than 2 turns in so I played accordingly. The dense terrain really messed us up... couldn't run anything across the table and take advantage of the KFF, and my big shooty mobs had no lanes of fire.

All-in-all, very fun. Sorry we were so pressed for time. I know the boys are looking forward to a re-match & so am I!


@whalemusic360: We have Kohls.... actually we have Senator Kohl.... anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll look for it!

Hmm yar, thankfully there's a GW opening up in our town soon, that may help give him a gaming group to motivate him, whereas right now I am his only opponent.

Wow, Thing 3 seems pretty whiney

I'm really liking that even this early into the blog we have seen some real improvement with both thing 1 and thing 2 (apparently thing 3 has regressed).

good bat rep.

tiny5th wrote:Hmm yar, thankfully there's a GW opening up in our town soon, that may help give him a gaming group to motivate him, whereas right now I am his only opponent.

Most likely it will. Having a good GW store near you is great, because they will frequently do special scenarios that will suck you in more than world of warcraft combined with a whirlpool..

Thing 1 picked up Calgar and his body guard today... but before I'd let him start on them, I said he had to finish up some "old business"... so he was a painting whirlwind today. So after many weeks off, here are a couple of his efforts...

First, the finished ork nob. I did NONE of this... he did it all.



Secondly, remember the Predator back on the first or second page of the blog? Well, we did our best to weather it using a combination of spray paint and various weathering powders. We both took turns working on this one.



He also completed the second of his attack bikes... but as it looks much like the first pictured earlier, I'll leave it to your imagination.

That nob looks great! A small bit of detail work and it will be better then most of the armys I play against! Actually it already is now that I think about it. His painting skills are very good these days, If he can do a bit of touch up on the edges and some details like metal buckels he will be very good for his age (or regardless of it)!

Yeah, all it needs is a little retouching and it'll be awesome. The worst part of the model is that the wash seems to pool at one end on the flat streches.

Munch Munch! wrote:Yeah, all it needs is a little retouching and it'll be awesome. The worst part of the model is that the wash seems to pool at one end on the flat streches.

Yeh, but that would create some natural shading, since you would have shadow a darker shades toward one side of the surface depending where the light is, it would just need a little tidying up to make it look slightly more realistic. They look really good, I like the orks skin.

Imp. Monkey

The nob looks really nice. Just one question: is this a new whirlwind, or a vintage one?

Argh that Predator looks so cool. So jealous that you have the original (and best) Predator.

I think that's the earliest predator design, based off the original rhino... they just sold you the side sponsons and turret and you were good to go. Thing 1 really likes the dusty look to it. It doesn't look ill-maintained (which it wouldn't be), just looks as if it had just crossed a dusty, dirty wasteland on the way to the battle.

Looks kind of strange to me but ive only been playing for a few years. although the circular turret makes sense. awesome weathering effect, looks dirtier than most ork vehicles i see

Tiny5th: What about getting some of His friends involved? This way they can “motivate” and learn from each other. Have an introduction game ect. I’d think that most kids feel more like hanging with their own kind.

Not only does Thing 1 and 2 benefit from their fathers influence and overall excitement, but can get it from their peers as well. ( l quessing thing 2 is motivated by thing 1 ) Helps keep the fun going when dad cannot provide the time due to real life.