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Nerf_IG wrote:Looky here guy, if the idea of painting a bunch of tiny plastic elf boobs doesn't get your engine running then I think you just don't "get" Warhammer.

I guess what I'm saying is that for the money he's willing to spend he could just go to a strip bar instead.

In any case, I'm looking forward to Gamesday. I probably won't be picking up Dark Eldar as an army, but if they have a cool model/suitable jetbike model I'll be interested.

Red Corsair wrote:If people want an all female kit buy those new terrible deamonettes ; ) ....
?

If you can't tell if something is a male or female, all creatures have male genitalia until proven female

It appears our first look at some of the new minis will be from photos taken at UK Games Day unless something leaks out beforehand. Personally, I still don't "hate' the old Dark Eldar models, but I'm sure the new ones will be miles above the old ones if for no other reason than Jes Goodwin supposedly designed them.

GW lore is based on history and mythology, it doesn't copy it exactly. Thankfully so or it wouldn't have that Warhammer twist to it. So the older Dark Eldar Wyches had male and female models and in Eldar lore GW has said that "most Howling Banshees" are female. I wouldn't infer anything else from that or the lack of male Howling Banshee models.

Dark Eldar minis at UK Games Day. Wow, they still do previews there, however brief the lead-time at the UK event. No previews at US Games Day for a couple years now, even on items that were already announced and no more product seminars on main product line GW products like they did for many years until fairly recently. They even canceled the pre-announced Space Hulk preview at Games Day Germany last year at the last minute, so the UK Games Day may be the only one left with any real previews at all.

As for some of the lore from which Eldar and Dark Eldar are derived: Far-Sídhe, male elf, Ban-Sídhe, female elf. In later times Ban-Sídhe got corrupted to Banshee and spirit lore from its original elf related meanings. Sídhe is pronounced, "shee". Some ancient people of the Isles, not knowing from whence the even more ancient burial mounds originated, believed them to have elves (Sídhe) living in them, also known as "fairy mounds", the Sídhe having been the mythological inhabitants of the British Isles before Celts migrated there from the Iberian peninsula. They also believed most of the Sídhe were gone because they had sailed west to parts unknown. Sound familiar? Tolkien based much of his Elf lore on the ancient Celtic mythology and so did GW. Methinks Far-Sídhe (Farshee) was the inspiration for the Eldar "Farseer" title too.

I thought that, given the thongs, Wyches was a corruption of the word Wedgies, but I could be mistaken.

It might be cool if the Wych cult emphasises the gladiatorial aspect more imho.
Some possibilities with gear and nets and accoutrements of a distinctly non sado-masochistic flavour.

but that is just my preference, with respect to others' predilictions.

Why does a real-world myth have to impose limits upon a made-up space race?

The names for the units are obviously Imperium identification names applied to them.
The Dark Eldar, if they existed, would not have the same myth base as the Imperium.

Any argument that there cannot be male Wyches or Banshees is a fail.
As does the "mis-application" of the succubus and incubus names.

I am sure that the fictional Dark Eldar have their own non-gender specific name for each type of troop.

Nice folklore info Brass
Saxon and Norse I believe also have elflore

it doesn't impose limits, but is the springboard from whence the elven races in GW did a half pike onto the gaming table.
So is just interesting background and I am gonna shut up know before the Hounds of Frazz do harry me to Hades.

Well, I'm already going over my expenses for the next two months and trying to find a spare hundred dollars or so to start a DE army. Of course, that is assuming the models are sweet looking. I might even break the bank and buy a new White Dwarf in Nov.

The pseudo-gladatorial looking weapons on some of the old Wyches were definitely interesting and set them apart from other 40K models. Has anyone seen any indication of something like that in the new Dark Eldar range?

My new army for definate!!! i hope the models live up to everyones expectations the DE deserve it after 12 long years when i stopped doing the hobby they had just come out and now i have taken the hobby up again there back

bhsman wrote:I guess what I'm saying is that for the money he's willing to spend he could just go to a strip bar instead.

My hopes that one of GW's greatest sculptors had created a plastic kit suitable for my purposes (which will involve adding more clothing with green stuff anyway) are not indicative that I'm creating the army for sexual pleasure, no more than my previous three all-male armies are evidence of latent homosexuality. So kindly listen to Frazzled's instructions and drop it.

I hate when people do that. Assume that all people who paint female models are pervy guys. It's just set theory. Perhaps all hetrosexual pervy male model painters paint female models. Even if that were the case that does not imply that all guys who paint female models are pervy.

On topic though I can't wait to see these models. DEs will probably be my next army. Always liked the idea of them, but not the look. Played them proxy a couple times and it's a pretty tricky army to get right under the current codex.

bhsman wrote:

puma713 wrote:There are men Howling Banshees? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

There are Stormravens? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

Right. So there's no such thing as a Doom of Malantai, a Swarmlord, a Tyrannofex, a Stormraven, a librarian dreadnought. . .should I go on?

Sensitive much? It was an actual question. I play Eldar, but I believe the lore saying something about it being an all-female temple, but I didn't remember. Hence the question, "Where, in the lore?"

You stated that there are men Howling Banshees with such conviction that I was sure you'd have an answer as to where you came up with your conclusion.


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BrassScorpion wrote: in Eldar lore GW has said that "most Howling Banshees" are female. I wouldn't infer anything else from that or the lack of male Howling Banshee models.

Thanks, BrassScorpion. I didn't remember either way.

GW says there are male and female banshees and wyches... they are the gods of their universe. Accept their will. Pretty please.

Dark Eldar really deserve this. I don't think GW will them suck. They know they only have this one shot to redeem themselves on them.

Path of the Warrior has male Banshees. THey simply wear feminine masks and clothes, as that is part of the Path they are on.

I'm looking forward to a non-marine army!!

THey simply wear feminine masks and clothes, as that is part of the Path they are on.

Perhaps, perhaps not. That's inferring a lot from very little. There may be no male looking Banshee models simply because "most Banshees are female" and GW wanted to have one unique, all female set of models for the army. Some people are extrapolating and presuming an awful lot from very little. The bottom line is, the books with the text in them are a product and so are the models. Trying to squeeze the two together for some inviolable "hard reality" gets ridiculous and breaks the geek-meter pretty quickly.

It's also taking this way off-topic.

So who's going to UK Games Day that wasn't before just because you'll get an early glimpse of the new Dark Eldar? Are most of the "I'm buying the new ones" posts here coming from people with existing Dark Eldar armies or people looking to start one strictly with the new models for the first time?

Lets talk more about why certain genders shouldn't be in certain units its really interesting and not weird at all

Fizzics wrote:I'm looking forward to a non-marine army!!

True. I didn't care for the tyranid. I already play a Marine chapter, and IG (while nice) is just another Imperium codex, really. Dark Eldar should be fun.

Kroothawk wrote:The new Dark Eldar will be on display at GD Germany, which is 17th October (or a week after 10th October ).
Confirmed by the German version of the posted official announcement.

Sweet, so we might get an idea of the rules by then, if not sooner! :-D

I think that the male-female and mythology argues are out of place.

I don't remember where I read this, maybe an old codex or rulebook, but AFAIK Eldar do not give the same weight to the gender of the person as we do. IIRC the gender was considered just another feature like the colour of the eyes or hair.

About mythology, well, I think that anyone has ever thought that the Artic Troops of Valhalla were vikings, right? GW only uses the names they think they are the coolest. Even in the translations, the Sybarite of a DE warrior unit is called "Alastor" in the old Spanish codex. Alastor can be a lot of things in different myths. So what? They are just cool names.

However, I must say that all the info you guys are giving about myths is very interesting. Not all the world is Irish (even if you think they should xD), so things that are obvious for many of you, are in fact quite cryptic for many of us.

Heck, while I was starting to read Gaunt's Ghosts novels in Spanish I needed a lot of time to figure out what the characters actually meant in english with their use of "Feth" and "Gak".


On the main topic, I'm starting to worry. Two official comments about new DE, and it's all about minis. I know that publishing a new miniature range for a 12 years old codex would be stupid, but we are talking about GW. They aren't logic's best friends. Codexes do not age like whiskey or wine :S

So he can get all horney over his miniatures, I presume.

Lets get ready to cheer!

Dark eldar are sounding pretty nifty.

It will be so funny if they only produce the minis and no new codex
I would pee myself laughing.

c'mon! you'd have to see the funny side.


Before nuking Nottingham

It would be pretty hilarious to be honest.

Yeah, I thought it was funny just mentioning it.

Anyways, just the minis have me excited.

BrassScorpion wrote:

So who's going to UK Games Day that wasn't before just because you'll get an early glimpse of the new Dark Eldar? Are most of the "I'm buying the new ones" posts here coming from people with existing Dark Eldar armies or people looking to start one strictly with the new models for the first time?

I'll be starting Dark Eldar for the first time, however, way back when in 2nd edition when the original DE rumors were about, I was stoked as I played Eldar at the time, both Craftworld and some exodite stuff I converted. As with many others, I was really disappointed in the model range and started a new marine army with the multi pose plastics that were released at the start of 3rd. So for me, this is a long time coming and something that has me really excited. I just really hope I'm not let down again, I'm sure I won't with Jes Goodwin overseeing things and Phil Kelly having written the codex, but I just need to see some models, even a few, just to get me 100% on board to throw down for a 2k point army. If they are as great as I hope, I will most certainly pre-order a full army with codex no questions asked.

I don't think I'll play Dark Eldar regardless. I don't have a very strong desire to play such an overtly evil faction. Yes, I know, no good guys in 40k, but I think Dark Eldar go a bit beyond that, and that's often what attracts people to them.

Da Boss wrote:Minor nit picky correction: Woman is spelt Bean (pronounced Ban) and Sídhe isn't really anything to do with burial mounds, but more a term for fairies and magic. (Draíocht is the actual word for magic, but you get what I mean.)
But yeah, probably everyone knows that anyhow.

Your nitpicking is done without broader knowledge, and thus incorrect It depends on which dialect you use.

Irish has it "Baen Sidhe", while Scottish has it "Bean Shith". "Sidhe" refers to the Aos Si/Aes Sídhe again depending on which dialect you want to use, which are found to have been connected with ancient burial mounds.



edit: And no, it doesn't really matter to the Eldar. The Eldar "Banshee" isn't the same as the human mythological creature even if they were linked (Theoretically, one could say they were, if, say, a banshee accidently ended up on Earth...).

Oh lawdy about damn time! oh my i can't wait! I'd love to see a remodeled Talos...

Well in the spirit of late 4th/5th edition with the rise of SC, anyone know what kind we could expect?

kenshin620 wrote:Well in the spirit of late 4th/5th edition with the rise of SC, anyone know what kind we could expect?

Well if the old rumors are true or not kruellah is dead in the fluff so maybe we wont see her in the codex? Or could be like eldrad

A lot that change what units you can take?

I'd expect maybe 2-3 of the old ones, plus 4-6 new ones.