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mikhaila wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

lindsay40k wrote:

wookie8472 wrote:if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

'Just a repackaging' could describe 'withdrawing the models as blisters and putting them in Direct Sales baggies so as to make them direct only, thereby making a token saving on warehousing and also screwing profit margins out of indie stockists'.

I find this "screwing profit margins out of indie stockists" bit hilarious.

Here in the US they have the same "direct only" items as the UK. Indie stockists can carry the stuff, same as your shops can. The only difference is the stockist has to actually put in an order. Oh noes!

Well, and get the product in generic white boxes, and pay, getting 10% less discount on it. 10% less discount = 2/9 less profit, assuming you sell at full retail.

I didn't want to say the discount part because I didn't know about it

So orders through a LGS get 10% less discount for the shopowner?

Buzzsaw wrote:Really? You can in no way think of a way that this change disadvantages independent stockists compared to their current situation? Perhaps I misunderstand the nature of Direct Sales, could you explain?

Again, it's sort of a "What is announced on the 16th" sort of thing.

If I had to follow the pattern of UK stores, I'd lose a lot of money. Then again, GW loses a lot of money if I'm not moving all that product. Mutual like of profit makes me think they won't do that.

Moving a lot of metal to direct order affects me somewhat. But it also cuts my inventory and storage of slow moving product. Ordering on the products I know I can sell is good business. A bad store or mailorder discounter won't be doing it, so in some ways I can work it to an advantage by having things in stock other stores don't, including GW stores.

But I don't think that metal to Direct Order is what's happening. It's 'On run down', meaning it's going away. Since the games are sort of unplayable without that long list of models, it makes sense they are replacing the metal with another type of material.

In the end, how it will affect FLGS in the US will be determined by what they say on the 16th about the new system. I'm sort of trying to be patient and wait for it. Patient for me is re-arranging the store, and ordering in a ton of cool lines of figures I suddenly have space for. I'm trying to keep in mind that GW loves money, (me too, pays the rent and lets me not go to work at a gas station), and that my relationship with them makes us both a lot of money, and that it will continue.


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Kanluwen wrote:

So orders through a LGS get 10% less discount for the shopowner?

Yep, we get a 45% discount off of retail for our orders through Trade, and a 35% discount on direct orders. Some of the difference though, is that for a Partnership account (carry full line, gaming space in store, yada yada), I can order just one blister and it ships to me from direct, with free shipping. So placing orders for stuff that comes from Mailorder is quite easy, and gives me access to everything a GW store has access to, including IA books now.

I would not however, like to see the bulk of items go to Direct. Doesn't leave enough in the shop for critical mass. I like selling someone an army, not a few plastic boxes and a promise they can get the other product from GW. I would hate to go to the system independents use in the UK.

I don't know if I missed someone stating this earlier, but isn't there another possibility? What if GW is making boxes of metal characters, "Dark Eldar Heroes" or the like? Malifaux and a few other companies do similar things, packaging the special characters for an army all together.
I don't know that it makes sense in the context of other metal boxes (plague marines etc.) but it might make a lot of sense to consolidate the single model metal blisters. Depending on what the marginal cost of each model in a blister is (basically the cost of materials) it might well work out that a box of 3 characters costs only 30% more than a blister of one, due to most of the cost being a question of packing, sorting and shipping. Sort of like how most restaurants will give you free coffee after you buy the initial cup; almost all the cost is paying someone hang around and walk it over to the table when you show up, and 1 cup or 5 makes little difference.

So maybe part of the plan is to put all the character models for a faction into one bigger box, or at least all the characters that are not larger kits?

That explains blisters, but not what they're going to do with the metal box sets.

Box sets go to direct order and packaged in a white box like what's already there.

Or is that a trick question?

No, I meant the blisters of characters. Like instead of buying one Farseer at a time you buy EVERY farseer model all at once. Or perhaps every named character in one box.

Or were you not referring to me, Kan? Wasn't sure if it was me or Swordwind.

I was referring to Swordwind's post

Kanluwen wrote:Box sets go to direct order and packaged in a white box like what's already there.

Or is that a trick question?

Wehrkind only referenced blisters in his suggestion, and I thought he was talking about the entire list, so I was just wondering what he would say about boxed sets. My logic is a bit odd.

Swordwind wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Box sets go to direct order and packaged in a white box like what's already there.

Or is that a trick question?

Wehrkind only referenced blisters in his suggestion, and I thought he was talking about the entire list, so I was just wondering what he would say about boxed sets. My logic is a bit odd.

1st sentence, 2nd paragraph.

Just sayin'... that I didn't have anything to say No idea what they are planning there, nor even a guess.

Wehrkind wrote:

Swordwind wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Box sets go to direct order and packaged in a white box like what's already there.

Or is that a trick question?

Wehrkind only referenced blisters in his suggestion, and I thought he was talking about the entire list, so I was just wondering what he would say about boxed sets. My logic is a bit odd.

1st sentence, 2nd paragraph.

Just sayin'... that I didn't have anything to say No idea what they are planning there, nor even a guess.

It also appears that I only have the ability to read the first sentence of someone's argument.

I'll fit right in to this forum.

Welcome to the fold ;D

From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.

25-Apr-11

99060101451 Astorath the Grim

99110102134 Chaos Space Marine Havocs

99110102083 Chaos Space Marines Plague Marines

99110102073 Chaos Space Marines Thousand Sons

99060101327 Dark Angels Company Master

99110112059 Dark Eldar Incubi

99060206086 Deathmaster Snikch

99060104116 Eldar Harlequin Death Jester

99110104113 Eldar Harlequin Troupe

99060104124 Eldar Warlock with Two Handed Witch Blad


99060107057 Grey Knight Brother-Captain


99060107066 Jokaero Weaponsmith


99060112057 Lelith Hesperax


99110101299 Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard


99060110010 Necron Immortals


99060110021 Necron Tomb Spyder

99060103108 Ork Painboy


99060107067 Sisters of Battle Hospitaler


99110101312 Space Marine Techmarine & Servitors


99140113016 Tau Crisis Battlesuit Commander


99060113001 Tau Pathfinders


99140113005 Tau XV88 Broadside Battlesuit


99060108013 Battle Sisters

29-Apr-11


99060102118 Chaos Space Marine Obliterator 1


99060112056 Dark Eldar Archon


99119915022 Furies


99110209190 Gnarly Cave Squigs


99060209174 Goblin Boss with Great Axe


99060108074 Grey Knight Crusader 1


99060108082 Grey Knight Culexus Assassin 1


99060108071 Grey Knight Inquisitor with Power Sword


99060107062 Inquisitor Coteaz


99060101454 Lemartes, Guardian of the Lost


99110599153 Necromunda Scavvy Gang (8 models)


99110599005 Necromunda: House Van Saar Gang


99110103092 Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Thraka


99060101337 Space Marine Librarian with Axe and Plas


99060101338 Space Marine Librarian with Sword and Bo


99060101346 Space Marine Servitor set 1 with Multi-m


99060101330 Space Marine Terminator Librarian


99060101236 The Emperor's Champion


99060207123 Tomb Kings Tomb Herald


99060108082 Witch Hunters Culexus Assassin 1


99060101208 Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar


99110807020 Battlefleet Gothic: Rogue Trader Cruiser

13-May-11


99060101111 Space Marine Terminator Captain


99060101317 Black Templars High Marshal Helbrecht

20-May-11


99060102119 Chaos Space Marine Obliterator 2


99060108077 Daemonhunters Vindicare with Exitus Rifl


99060108079 Grey Knight Callidus Assassin 2


99060107007 Grey Knight Death Cult Assassins


99060107060 Grey Knight Inquisitor with Inferno Pist


99060108077 Grey Knight Vindicare Assassin with Exit


99061464040 Knight of Minas Tirith Standard


99060110022 Necron Lord and Resurrection Orb


99110101331 Space Marine Chapter Masters


99060108079 Witch Hunters Callidus Assassin 2


99110104108 Eldar Fire Dragon Aspect Warrior Squad

03-Jun-11


99140104089 Eldar Shining Spear Aspect Warriors


99110209109 Goblin Doom Diver

99060105222 Imperial Guard Techpriest Enginseer 1


99119915046 Kairos Fateweaver, Oracle of Tzeentch


99061464061 Rangers of the North


99060101315 Space Marine Chaplain in Terminator Armo


99060105222 Space Marine Servitor set 1 with Multi-m


99110101318 Black Templars Sword Brethren

03-Jun-11


99110112060 Dark Eldar Mandrakes


99119915032 Flamers of Tzeentch


60100181024 Gaunt's Ghosts: The Founding


99060209121 Grimgor Ironhide


99110108051 Inquisitor Karamazov


99110202211 Kurt Helborg


99060110017 Necron Wraith


99110103106 Ork Tankbustas


99060101252 Space Marine Chaplain with Jump Pack


99069915032 The Masque

Looks like it was just a repackage then, not a full out switch to resin...at least that's my interpretation of that email.

mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
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Thanks mate.

Is this for LFGS or everyone?

*removed mikhaila's wall from quote for sake of post length.

ChrisWWII wrote:Looks like it was just a repackage then, not a full out switch to resin...at least that's my interpretation of that email.

No, wrong interpretation I think.) Normally, none of this stuff would ever be out of stock. GW is selling down on items in the US, and transferring over more from the UK. We've been told 'metal is going away', which is why I don't believe it's repackaging. Why repackage all the stuff that is currently in boxes already? Some items are going away, others getting additional stock transferred over from the UK. If you want stuff off this list, grab it when it comes in.


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AvatarForm wrote:

mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
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Thanks mate.

Is this for LFGS or everyone?

*removed mikhaila's wall from quote for sake of post length.

I got the email in response to some items that I orderd from 'Direct Order'. Broadsides, and many other items got zeroed out on my order form. Not sure if this would have gone out to me if I was a normal customer, or if I got it because I'm flagged in the Direct system as a retail store.


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Here's the original email:

Hello,


We are currently packing the order you placed with Games Workshop. However; one or more of the item(s) you ordered are currently out of stock and will be on the list that follows. This is a list of all items on back order and when they are due to arrive into our warehouse.


The item(s) have been cancelled off your order, and you will not be charged for them. Please reorder them at your convenience. The remaining products on your order will be shipping soon! Feel free to contact us by email or phone at 1-800-394-4263 if you have any questions at all.

In the past, I'd get a call from Direct explaning that an item was temporarily out of stock. It happened very rarely. GW has always had a 99.99% fill rate on my orders, going back two decades. That's why this much out of stock tells me they are doing a huge revamp of their system.

I am undecided about whether the big changes will be like The Emperor Uniting Mankind and Ushering in a Golden age, or Finding out my new Proctologist is Kharn the Betrayer.

mikhaila wrote:

No, wrong interpretation I think.) Normally, none of this stuff would ever be out of stock. GW is selling down on items in the US, and transferring over more from the UK. We've been told 'metal is going away', which is why I don't believe it's repackaging. Why repackage all the stuff that is currently in boxes already? Some items are going away, others getting additional stock transferred over from the UK. If you want stuff off this list, grab it when it comes in.

You're the game store owner with 2 decades of experience, so I'll bow to you here. That was my off the top of head interpretation...failed to consider everything else.

ChrisWWII wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

No, wrong interpretation I think.) Normally, none of this stuff would ever be out of stock. GW is selling down on items in the US, and transferring over more from the UK. We've been told 'metal is going away', which is why I don't believe it's repackaging. Why repackage all the stuff that is currently in boxes already? Some items are going away, others getting additional stock transferred over from the UK. If you want stuff off this list, grab it when it comes in.

You're the game store owner with 2 decades of experience, so I'll bow to you here. That was my off the top of head interpretation...failed to consider everything else.

I'm throwing out wild ass guesses same as everyone else.) Mine are tempered a bit by "Surely GW wouldn't try an lose money..would they?". Unfortunately, when someone has a 'big plan', they can overlook losses in the short term when they have cost savings later on. Or think they do.) I'm very unsure of what's going on. Move to resin has been rumored a while and makes some sense, but how do they roll it out fast enough to not lose sales of items, and sales of whole armies when some parts are unavailable? Seems like a massive undertaking.

I worry too much of it was left up to guys running the warehouse who are motivated by what works at the warehouse level, vs. what keeps GW, and my store, profitable. And GW can lose money easier than I can. )

Figured I might as well post this here, since the Discussion thread is, oddly, relatively bereft of discussion.

insaniak wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

I think one of the biggest problems in this whole conversation(s) is that "resin" can mean so many things: the brittle stuff that FW uses, the "plastic" resin that PP uses, very toxic/carcinogenic products and things that are no more toxic then plastic/white metal.

I think it's fair to say that we are not going to see a product like what FW puts out in retail GW stores. If I had to guess, I would say whatever it is will probably not be called "resin"; after all, PP simply calls their kits plastic (err, except for their new big thingies...).

There is just too much confusion out there, too many things that would make alarm bells blare for parents (especially in the litigious US), too much info out there talking about how resin dust is next to asbestos, for it to be mass-marketed to kids. And let's be clear, for this stuff to go on retail sale, it's got to be getting sold to kids.

Buzzsaw wrote:Figured I might as well post this here, since the Discussion thread is, oddly, relatively bereft of discussion.

insaniak wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager today and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

And the mystery release is definitely not Space Hulk...

I think one of the biggest problems in this whole conversation(s) is that "resin" can mean so many things: the brittle stuff that FW uses, the "plastic" resin that PP uses, very toxic/carcinogenic products and things that are no more toxic then plastic/white metal.

I think it's fair to say that we are not going to see a product like what FW puts out in retail GW stores. If I had to guess, I would say whatever it is will probably not be called "resin"; after all, PP simply calls their kits plastic (err, except for their new big thingies...).

There is just too much confusion out there, too many things that would make alarm bells blare for parents (especially in the litigious US), too much info out there talking about how resin dust is next to asbestos, for it to be mass-marketed to kids. And let's be clear, for this stuff to go on retail sale, it's got to be getting sold to kids.

This is not discussion... it is simply repeating what was already said earlier.

Thanks for playing.

mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
***big list****

Any clue on the tyranid models? Hive guards, lictors, zoanthropes et al?

Buzzsaw wrote:Figured I might as well post this here, since the Discussion thread is, oddly, relatively bereft of discussion.

I actually find that quite refreshing. Most of the people who are now posting are those who are getting info first hand (although none of it is technically new and just repeating the same thing) or commenting on that same info and not the usual blurbs on GW evil corporate conspiracy theories... although there was a brief reference to GW anal probing... I'd say the wheat to chaff ratio in this thread is markedly higher than I was expecting for the past few pages. If you want some "OMG OMG OMG" discussion, there's plenty on the first few pages.

AvatarForm wrote:How do you lose money on anything from China?

Quality, a rising middle class in China and shipping costs. There's a reason more and more North American companies are moving manufacturing back to North America. It's not an alarming trend, but it's happening more and more.

MajorTom11 wrote:Not to get in the way of a pointless back and forth here... But I am wondering what to do, I need another Astorath and Corbulo. These will be bases for conversions, I am having trouble deciding between direct ordering the tougher to use metals, or, wait for the resins and hope the quality is good...

hmmm... what to do what to do -

Me too, i want an astoroth but money is tight and need another death company first.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
***big list****

Any clue on the tyranid models? Hive guards, lictors, zoanthropes et al?

Yeah, those are on my shelf right now. )

What do you need? Send me a PM

Tielc wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:How do you lose money on anything from China?

Quality, a rising middle class in China and shipping costs. There's a reason more and more North American companies are moving manufacturing back to North America. It's not an alarming trend, but it's happening more and more.

You also see a lot of manufacturing being done in Malaysia and Bangladesh etc. Funny to think about how 40 years ago Japan made all the crappy stuff, then Taiwan and Hong Kong, and now China, but increasingly other SE Asia countries. I hope the trend continues, as it seems to have done a hell of a lot of good over the past 40 years for those places.

Trade barriers helped a lot too.

Coming June 3rd...

"60100181024 Gaunt's Ghosts: The Founding"

WTF? That's not a model.

Book perhaps?

A long while back they actually did make Gaunt Corbec Larkin and co as models and put the rules out in WD....... I'd be surprised if they made them again.... but it would be damned cool and I am not even a Guard player.

Might be a rerelease of the first omnibus book, as that is what it was titled (like rereleasing Horus rising as a 5 year anniversary thing).

dantay_xv wrote:A long while back they actually did make Gaunt Corbec Larkin and co as models and put the rules out in WD....... I'd be surprised if they made them again.... but it would be damned cool and I am not even a Guard player.

Might be a rerelease of the first omnibus book, as that is what it was titled (like rereleasing Horus rising as a 5 year anniversary thing).

The rules were at least partially reprinted in the Chapter Approved collections.
I think there was a metal squad box of Ghosts, too. Basically lightly armored troopers with stealth cloaks. Were the rules variants on the Catachans?