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That's another thing I don't get... what's the big deal with May 16th? Why can't they just say what's up right now? I mean, how hard would it be to send out an "incoming" email blast that says "Howdy folks, here's what we're doing. blah blah blah"

Probably because they planned on doing that on May 16th.

The only reason we know now is vendors commenting on it and people making it into some kind of "OHMYGODGWISCRAZYWTF" situation.

Kanluwen wrote:

asmith wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:

Send an email to Privateer Press about the nature of their plastics, that's my best guess. Unless someone is willing to submit their 'Jack to a chemical analysis at your friendly neighbourhood chemistry lab?

I figured since everyone was repeating the same thing there must be some info out there stating the facts. I just looked for about 20 minutes and couldn't find anything on it. It's even gone a step further and people are saying the new GW figures will be made of the same material.

No, actually. I know for a fact that I've been saying that "the new GW figures would likely be made of the same material".

If PP uses an injection mold for the material, there is no way GW's going to use the same material in a spin caster with the same tools as the metal figs. Amazing how quickly unsubstantiated speculation gets repeated as fact.

And it's amazing how quickly people forget things.

Resin is, in fact, a form of plastic.

Wikipedia page on Resin Casting wrote:Resin casting is a method of plastic casting where a mold is filled with a liquid synthetic resin, which then hardens. It is primarily used for small scale production like industrial prototypes and dentistry. It can be done by amateur hobbyists with little initial investment, and has been appropriated for the production of collectible toys, models and figures, as well as small scale jewelry production.

The synthetic resin for such processes is a monomer for making a plastic thermosetting polymer. During the setting process, the liquid monomer polymerizes into the polymer, thereby hardening into a solid.

I should also add this part about spin casting:

Spin casting, also known as centrifugal rubber mold casting (CRMC), is a method of utilizing centrifugal force to produce castings from a rubber mold. Typically, a disc-shaped mold is spun along its central axis at a set speed. The casting material, usually molten metal or liquid thermoset plastic is then poured in through an opening at the top-center of the mold. The filled mold then continues to spin as the metal solidifies or the thermoset plastic sets.

But no, as far as I know Privateer Press hasn't said what their stuff is made from. They have dubbed things "resin" and then later called them "plastic" though.

I got to hand it to you, you really aren't afraid to go on and on about things you don't know anything about. Nice job with the wikipedia though! Makes everyone an expert doesn't it?

So are theses models still going to be avalible at say the GW web site I saw they were there for now but well they be available in say a month or two?

This really appears to boil down to two fairly plausible rumors.

One is that all the newly OOP stuff will be Direct Only, the other is that they are going to reissue the models for sale after they begin manufacturing them from a different material other than pewter. Of course, a hybrid of the two is possible, which is to say that they could change materials and make the models Direct Only as well.

A friend of mine owns his own game store. He already put all the newly discontinued stock on sale for 50% off. Like the rest of us, store owners are waiting for a formal announcement about what the future plans are for the items affected by the recent discontinuation. How many more pages of rampant speculation will appear here before the announcement next month? Really, at this point everything that can be said has been said. Now we just have to wait till it either leaks out or GW announces it.

asmith wrote:
I got to hand it to you, you really aren't afraid to go on and on about things you don't know anything about. Nice job with the wikipedia though! Makes everyone an expert doesn't it?

Sorry, where did I say I was an expert on massed production casting?

I posted the Wikipedia entry because that's about as much as I know on the casting process.

I've stated the Privateer Press thing because I remember it being mentioned, by Privateer Press, as what they were doing when they swapped over to 'plastic' Warjacks.

BrassScorpion wrote:
A friend of mine owns his own game store. He already put all the newly discontinued stock on sale for 50% off.

Where is this store and if not in my area, does he sell online? 50% off, I would be insane not to throw my money at him.

agnosto wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:
A friend of mine owns his own game store. He already put all the newly discontinued stock on sale for 50% off.

Where is this store and if not in my area, does he sell online? 50% off, I would be insane not to throw my money at him.

Unfortunately, this sale's been going on for a while and nearly everything is gone. I'm 3 hours away from the store and couldn't get there till yesterday. There are still some blisters left and a few box sets, but most of the super popular stuff is already gone. If you want to know more about the store, here's a link: http://www.ftwgames.net/

Wonder if GW is going to go all Clix / CMG. I can just see it now, guys buying 5 boxes of mini's just to get that rare assault marine SGT.

That's another thing I don't get... what's the big deal with May 16th? Why can't they just say what's up right now?

I've always found it bizarre how many companies ofvall sorts, not just GW by any means, do something that creates a deal of uncertainty and then announce that 'all will be revealed' at a later date. It doesn't seem sensible to me. But given it's very common business practise, across a range of manufacturers/retailers, there must be good reasons for it (not necessarily reasons you or I would regard as good, but good in a business way). GW have always played close to the chest (eg first time I became aware White Dwarf was dropping all non-GW games from its content was when the first issue lacking RQ, Cthulhu, etc came out).

if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

wookie8472 wrote:if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

'Just a repackaging' could describe 'withdrawing the models as blisters and putting them in Direct Sales baggies so as to make them direct only, thereby making a token saving on warehousing and also screwing profit margins out of indie stockists'.

lindsay40k wrote:

wookie8472 wrote:if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

'Just a repackaging' could describe 'withdrawing the models as blisters and putting them in Direct Sales baggies so as to make them direct only, thereby making a token saving on warehousing and also screwing profit margins out of indie stockists'.

I find this "screwing profit margins out of indie stockists" bit hilarious.

Here in the US they have the same "direct only" items as the UK. Indie stockists can carry the stuff, same as your shops can. The only difference is the stockist has to actually put in an order. Oh noes!

Kanluwen wrote:

lindsay40k wrote:

wookie8472 wrote:if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

'Just a repackaging' could describe 'withdrawing the models as blisters and putting them in Direct Sales baggies so as to make them direct only, thereby making a token saving on warehousing and also screwing profit margins out of indie stockists'.

I find this "screwing profit margins out of indie stockists" bit hilarious.

Here in the US they have the same "direct only" items as the UK. Indie stockists can carry the stuff, same as your shops can. The only difference is the stockist has to actually put in an order. Oh noes!

Really? You can in no way think of a way that this change disadvantages independent stockists compared to their current situation? Perhaps I misunderstand the nature of Direct Sales, could you explain?

Ask Mikhaila.

Not to get in the way of a pointless back and forth here... But I am wondering what to do, I need another Astorath and Corbulo. These will be bases for conversions, I am having trouble deciding between direct ordering the tougher to use metals, or, wait for the resins and hope the quality is good...

hmmm... what to do what to do -

Kanluwen wrote:Ask Mikhaila.

I thought they don't get as big a discount on direct order stuff as the usual items...

Could we please stop talking about the chemical safety of resin here, it is off topic to the conversation, if the whole swapping to resin is bothering you then, create another thread for that discussion, I am much more interested in reading what is happening to the metal products.

agnosto wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Ask Mikhaila.

I thought they don't get as big a discount on direct order stuff as the usual items...

From what he's said--no, they don't.

But that isn't the same thing as "they can't".

Kilkrazy wrote:

Kurce wrote:What is the stuff that the standard Space Marine sprue made out of? I was thinking that is what they would convert all of their stuff to...

Polystyrene.

Polypropylene.

PS is hard and breaks easily.

PP is softer and will bend before breaking.

You can combine PP with resin to get some rather great results.

It's polystyrene.

You can test this easily.

Polystyrene is denser than water. Polypropylene is less dense than water.

Kilkrazy wrote:It's polystyrene.

You can test this easily.

Polystyrene is denser than water. Polypropylene is less dense than water.

I have to correct my self on this one...not PP , but also not PS , ABS is what is used.

My mistake, was writing an email to customer about the difference in the two concerning cutlery....so got a bit mixed up.

OK. Spoke to local GW manager yesterday and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Items that are not sold often enough will be relegated to Direct Only, though you can order through your local store and the items come in through the GW Store.

He debunked the resin theories. Stating "Resin will not be sold in GW stores due to young customers".

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager yesterday and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Sounds like waffle to me. Deathguard Marines are a popular addition to CSM armies, but they have been withdrawn. I'm sure we could collectively list a bunch of other boxes for other armies that could equally be regarded as popular or necessary that have also been withdrawn. Blisters don't take up "shelf" space, as they hang on hooks. My local GW has had several empty hooks since before Christmas.

I still think this is about about keeping certain sales for themselves, and the resulting increase in profits.

Aspiring Champion wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager yesterday and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Sounds like waffle to me. Deathguard Marines are a popular addition to CSM armies, but they have been withdrawn. I'm sure we could collectively list a bunch of other boxes for other armies that could equally be regarded as popular or necessary that have also been withdrawn. Blisters don't take up "shelf" space, as they hang on hooks. My local GW has had several empty hooks since before Christmas.

I still think this is about about keeping certain sales for themselves, and the resulting increase in profits.

Just reporting the facts.

"Shelf Space" also includes blister racks.

Regardless, if it turns out that they end up producing resin, then I know this manager lies and have enough witnesses to call him on it.

TBH, when has GW not been about the profits?

AvatarForm wrote:

Aspiring Champion wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:OK. Spoke to local GW manager yesterday and his reason was that they require shelf space.

Sounds like waffle to me. Deathguard Marines are a popular addition to CSM armies, but they have been withdrawn. I'm sure we could collectively list a bunch of other boxes for other armies that could equally be regarded as popular or necessary that have also been withdrawn. Blisters don't take up "shelf" space, as they hang on hooks. My local GW has had several empty hooks since before Christmas.

I still think this is about about keeping certain sales for themselves, and the resulting increase in profits.

Just reporting the facts.

"Shelf Space" also includes blister racks.

Regardless, if it turns out that they end up producing resin, then I know this manager lies and have enough witnesses to call him on it.

TBH, when has GW not been about the profits?

Meh, there is a difference between lying and talking out your butt about things you don't really know...take a large portion of the posts in this thread for example.

So we listen to redshirts now? We all know that the individuals who work for GW are not allowed to talk about the release schedule or about anything other than what is on the shelves.

I think mikhaila, already has the answer, which is ride the storm out until the sixteenth and hope for good news.

All the models for the most part are metal or metal w/ plastic, they could be melting the old models down and selling the scrap, the new resin they are rumored to have is supposed to work with the existing molds for metal.

I'll be happy if they move to resin. I'm working on my first ever forgeworld model at the moment and I'm really impressed with the detail and easy of working with resin. Certainly, it snaps, but it won't be hit so hard as metal when it's dropped as it's lighter.

Kanluwen wrote:

lindsay40k wrote:

wookie8472 wrote:if it is just a repackaging, what is the point? i'm sure the current packaging is adequate. it's not the packaging we buy the models for, or am i missing the bloody point again?

'Just a repackaging' could describe 'withdrawing the models as blisters and putting them in Direct Sales baggies so as to make them direct only, thereby making a token saving on warehousing and also screwing profit margins out of indie stockists'.

I find this "screwing profit margins out of indie stockists" bit hilarious.

Here in the US they have the same "direct only" items as the UK. Indie stockists can carry the stuff, same as your shops can. The only difference is the stockist has to actually put in an order. Oh noes!

Well, and get the product in generic white boxes, and pay get 10% less discount on it. 10% less discount = 2/9 less profit, assuming you sell at full retail.