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Hazardous Harry wrote:

Durza wrote:

Other than these two figures, I can't think of any inhabitants of Marvel Earth that would seriously impede the Imperium's invasion. Especially since they would have total Naval superiority.

What about the Phoenix Force? Or Cyclops? Gambit could blow up anything the Imperium could throw at him by touching it. Kitty Pride would be invulnerable to anything they could fire at her and trap Imperial tanks underground, Nightcrawler could teleport squads of anything he wanted directly to Imperial command posts and skip the messy 'murder the Space Marines' stage. Xavier's son could possess person after person in the Imperial force and make them commit suicide. Storm would make landing Imperial troops impossible short of teleportation.

Impressive powers, but really not even coming close to the OTT type of power Magneto wields. The X-men could decimate any Imperial forces on the ground, but Magneto is capable of tearing apart the entire invasion force itself in orbit.

Phoenix is even more OTT than Magneto. and if we want the really big guns... (okay so I know it's not a mutant human, but for kicks and giggles) The Beyonder.

The issue is Harry has in his head that mags is top tier of Earth power. Polaris can match him in magnetic ability for the most part. Black bolt is even stronger then Mags and could render the whole fleet to scrap.

I am unfamiliar with Bolt myself. What's he do?

Blackbolt emits sound so intense that he can literally level a mountain by saying "hello." Massive sound vibrations, really. He also lives on the moon at this point, so he'd be the first line of defense against the invaders, and they probably wouldn't see him (the home of the Inhumans, Blackbolt's people, is invisible to scanners-they have very advanced tech). He'd shatter their vehicles before they even got to Earth.

Sound? Doesn't travel in a vacuum... He'd be pretty useless in space. Presumably he lives on the.moon so he isn't so destructive?

No sound shock waves work just Fine in MU while in space. He lives on the moon as that is where his people the InHumans live. He does not speak as a whisper of Hello could indeed shatter mountains. His normal speaking voice could break the moon.

And he is not the only inhuman with powers that rival mags.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Durza wrote:

Other than these two figures, I can't think of any inhabitants of Marvel Earth that would seriously impede the Imperium's invasion. Especially since they would have total Naval superiority.

What about the Phoenix Force? Or Cyclops? Gambit could blow up anything the Imperium could throw at him by touching it. Kitty Pride would be invulnerable to anything they could fire at her and trap Imperial tanks underground, Nightcrawler could teleport squads of anything he wanted directly to Imperial command posts and skip the messy 'murder the Space Marines' stage. Xavier's son could possess person after person in the Imperial force and make them commit suicide. Storm would make landing Imperial troops impossible short of teleportation.

Impressive powers, but really not even coming close to the OTT type of power Magneto wields. The X-men could decimate any Imperial forces on the ground, but Magneto is capable of tearing apart the entire invasion force itself in orbit.

Not an attack (so please don't take it as such, given our previous back-and-forth), but are you finally on our side that Marvel would win? Your statement here seems to suggest your conversion. And actually Phoenix is far more powerful than Magneto. She eats stars, can incinerate entire planets with a thought, and the invading force would be destroyed before Magneto could even put his helmet on. However, she was dead during the time of Secret Invasion, I believe (Jean dying happens so regularly, nobody keeps track anymore), so she wouldn't be in this fight.

And to whoever Durza quoted about "other than these two figures"-we've only scratched the surface of what Marvel characters could do-for simplicity, and for the fact that many on here probably aren't as familiar with Marvel characters as some of us, we've only used the big names so far. There are many, many more. I was actually surprised to see Nate Grey mentioned, but yes he came back shortly after Secret Invasion (the following story arc, actually). As such, he's an acceptable protagonist in this invasion.

And to the guy who was using the movies as canon....hahaha, no. The movies have no value-they get classified as a universe of their own. If you look on the Marvel website, you will find the 616 (standard universe), ultimate, 2099, 1644, Age of Apocalypse, the movie universe and others (can't remember the prohibition era name). Deaths in the movies are non-canon and hold no value in this conversation, as the 616 universe was specified early on.

I did not know Nate was active during that time. If so..yeah game over for the ioM. They have nothing that could slow him down. He might save the psykers though, but if they try and attack him....oh well.

Also AoA earth was 295 And Nate is the same class of mutant as Franklin Richards. Omega class or something like that, been a long time.

Oh, I know she was mentioned earlier, but the Scarlett Witch would kick the Imperium's ass any day of the week. She'd just think them out of existence.

I think the Op disallowed magic that could auto win. A pity really 616 earth has a dammed lot of it. 40k's magic uses do not want any of MU's spell slingers.

Hunterindarkness wrote:I think the Op disallowed magic that could auto win. A pity really 616 earth has a dammed lot of it. 40k's magic uses do not want any of MU's spell slingers.

Whoops

Jaws of the World Wof? Hammerhand? Null Zone? Fortune, Doom and Guide? They got absolutely nothing on the gak that Marvel psykers do.

The imperium has titans. And I don't if we take the rule that Hulk=primarch, then he can be killed.

Still she could do much to kill the fleet anyhow, even if shes not allowed one auto win spell. A few slightly less powerful ones will do.


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Lord Rogukiel wrote:The imperium has titans. And I don't if we take the rule that Hulk=primarch, then he can be killed.

I got 50 or a hundred or better MU guys who can one shot a titan. The Hulk would take all the Primaches at one time. They are not even close to his power level, Not by a very, very long shot.

Hulk=(Angron+Leman Russ+Ghazkull)X 10000000000000

Pretty much Deadshot, pretty much.

timetowaste85 wrote:Blackbolt emits sound so intense that he can literally level a mountain by saying "hello." Massive sound vibrations, really. He also lives on the moon at this point, so he'd be the first line of defense against the invaders, and they probably wouldn't see him (the home of the Inhumans, Blackbolt's people, is invisible to scanners-they have very advanced tech). He'd shatter their vehicles before they even got to Earth.

Blackbolts power increases with the volume of his voice, so while it's true that even blackbolts whisper can destroy mountains.....hulk beat him down just to hear his SCREAMS.... Because BB had been part of the plot that banished hulk into space....

Hulk stood firm as he took blackbolts full power, because hulks anger has no limits, and his strength grows with his anger. ( and apparently killing his wife and child pisses him off)

WW hulk is not the dumb ass that he originally was. WW hulk is a leader and a tactician, and he was completely in sync with Bruce banner even having the ability to transform between his 2 forms at will.

Avengers Hulk did that. He just walks along, Hulks up, and punches a giant snake thing inti the ground.

"Banner, I think you should, y'know, get angry."
"Wanna know my secret Captain? I'm always angry."

IMHO Imperium wins.

Reason:

Can’t believe this hasn’t been pointed out yet, but.....

Marvel deals heavily in the multiverse, giving numerous examples of different types of marvel universes, universe 616 being the one in which the majority of the comics take place. In many of those universes the heroes and villains that make up the marvel universe 616 have been killed in an assortment of ways. The hulk, thor, wolverine, magneto, and etc; have all been killed in these alternate worlds using means well within the imperium’s capabilities. The marvel earth has been conquered and its heroes slain a hundred times over by an assortment of adversaries. Assuming the imperium takes the heroes seriously and uses the right methods I can easily see them taking the marvel earth.

Sources:
The “What if?” series - This is basically a world just slightly off Earth 616 showing what would happen if just one event played out differently.
The “Exiles” series - A multiverse hopping superhero team.
The numerous times a comic series dealt with time travel visiting a future in which the heroes were wiped out.
The numerous times a comic series dealt with visiting different universes in the multiverse.
The “End” one shots in many series

The marvel earth 616 might be a mighty hard nut for the imperium to crack but there are a hundreds of examples of close parallels of that nut being cracked using multiverse examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(Marvel_Comics)

Well, then Mortarion just needs to release the zombie plague, and it's gg for Marvel.

Grunt13, The OP{ stated Vanilla MU. That is Earth 616 not a different one.


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Omegus wrote:Well, then Mortarion just needs to release the zombie plague, and it's gg for Marvel.

Have you read Marvel zombies?

That's what I was referencing. They all go zombie and eat each other.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Grunt13, The OP{ stated Vanilla MU. That is Earth 616 not a different one

I thought I made it clear in my above post that the Earth 616 universe was the universe being addressed.

Grunt13 wrote:The marvel earth 616 might be a mighty hard nut for the imperium to crack but there are a hundreds of examples of close parallels of that nut being cracked

They however are not attacking another earth. As it stands the IoM invasion fleet is out gunned and out classed. Unlike the alt earths, they are not playing with the same deck of cards.

timetowaste85 wrote:

Not an attack (so please don't take it as such, given our previous back-and-forth), but are you finally on our side that Marvel would win? Your statement here seems to suggest your conversion.

I'm at the point where I believe a standard Imperial invasion force would be crushed instantly. The only thing the Imperium has going for it is an extensive Callidus infiltration, much like Secret Invasion, but probably replacing human loved-ones etc instead. Since the OP has said that we can't use resources that wouldn't normally be available, so we could only get our hands on one or two for an invasion like this, and that's probably not enough unless they were given years to work with and very lucky.

Could Spidey's spider-sense detect a perfect imposter? I'm not sure how it worked during Secret Invasion, and it should be kept in mind that the Callidus are probably better at this than the Skrull. True, they can't replicate superpowers, but they would be proof against the counter-measures that SWORD has developed.

EDIT: And as for our back-and-forth, things tend to sometimes get heated especially in 'X vs Y' conversations.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:

Not an attack (so please don't take it as such, given our previous back-and-forth), but are you finally on our side that Marvel would win? Your statement here seems to suggest your conversion.

I'm at the point where I believe a standard Imperial invasion force would be crushed instantly. The only thing the Imperium has going for it is an extensive Callidus infiltration, much like Secret Invasion, but probably replacing human loved-ones etc instead. Since the OP has said that we can't use resources that wouldn't normally be available, so we could only get our hands on one or two for an invasion like this, and that's probably not enough unless they were given years to work with and very lucky.

Could Spidey's spider-sense detect a perfect imposter? I'm not sure how it worked during Secret Invasion, and it should be kept in mind that the Callidus are probably better at this than the Skrull. True, they can't replicate superpowers, but they would be proof against the counter-measures that SWORD has developed.

EDIT: And as for our back-and-forth, things tend to sometimes get heated especially in 'X vs Y' conversations.

To answer your question about Spidey's spider-sense, yes and no. He'll recognize danger, but not necessarily WHO is setting it off. Spidey is actually out of his league in this fight-if "Mary Jane" showed up and his senses went off, he'd be looking at the sky-not at the dagger in his back.

And for the Marvel Zombies stuff...yeah, they went zombie and zombified the heroes and ate the regular people. Then they ate the Silver Surfer, gained his power, killed and ate Galactus and gained his power. Do you REALLY want Galactified zombies running around? Thought not.

And as for the many universes where the guys die...I'm 95% sure that the Hulk hasn't died in ANY of them. The only way he can die is old age (maybe). I wouldn't place money on that though.

Hunterindarkness wrote:They however are not attacking another earth. As it stands the IoM invasion fleet is out gunned and out classed. Unlike the alt earths, they are not playing with the same deck of cards.

Yeah, but you are ignoring that for many of these worlds they are exactly the same as Earth 616 except for a minor deviation that often takes place within the story arc itself - many are future gone wrong versions that split from 616 itself. And for those that don’t match up exactly to 616 they still feature many of the same heroes and defenses.

Many of the big guns that were sited in this thread were neutralized in these alternate worlds. It's flawed logic to say that the imperium would not be able to kill the hulk while ignoring the number of times alternate hulks were killed. Same with magneto, thor, wolverine, and the sum total of the inhumans.

Operating on the notion that the imperium is playing it reasonably intelligent. It drops in spies who research the world before taking any action, IIRC this is common procedure in dealing with discovered human worlds. The super humans are researched with a tremendous amount of useful information gained via simple internet searches. In a situation where the imperium knows what its getting itself into, I believe they are favored to win. If they just jump onto the planet an blast away they are going to lose, the first battle anyway.

Many of marvel's big guns can be taken out with controlled use of the life-eater virus and I don’t think anyone on earth 616 is laughing off a lascannon hit to the face. Votex and stasis weapons would also work against anyone that might be too tough to handle in a straight up firefight. Also, magneto is being talked up a bunch in a manner that really doesn’t fit with his previous performances. He once used his power against colossus to keep the x-man pinned to the floor, but the metal man was able to fight against magneto’s magnetic powers, rise to his feet and deck him out. I don’t think magneto will be able to pull apart a billion ton, skyscraper-size battleship from a 1000 miles away, if he can’t keep a man made of metal on the ground. Going by wikipedia the heaviest thing he ever lifted was a 30,000 ton nuclear submarine. An assassin’s field breaker round is likely all that is needed to take him out, Hawkeye did it in the marvel zombie storyline with an arrow.

timetowaste85 wrote:

To answer your question about Spidey's spider-sense, yes and no. He'll recognize danger, but not necessarily WHO is setting it off. Spidey is actually out of his league in this fight-if "Mary Jane" showed up and his senses went off, he'd be looking at the sky-not at the dagger in his back.

Come on guys, this would make a really awesome comic.

And for the Marvel Zombies stuff...yeah, they went zombie and zombified the heroes and ate the regular people. Then they ate the Silver Surfer, gained his power, killed and ate Galactus and gained his power. Do you REALLY want Galactified zombies running around? Thought not.

I never mentioned zombies. That would be Omegus. But I doubt that a Nurgle plauge would affect them the same way the MU virus did.

And as for the many universes where the guys die...I'm 95% sure that the Hulk hasn't died in ANY of them. The only way he can die is old age (maybe). I wouldn't place money on that though.

Has he ever recovered from decapitation?

I know you didn't post the zombie thing Harry, I was just too lazy to look back and see who did-your portion was only the Spider-Man stuff. And nobody has ever been able to decapitate Hulk-so we don't know if he can recover from it. But he does regenerate VERY quickly. Faster than Wolverine. And Wolverine could recover from decapitation (he has recovered from being incinerated by Nitro, after all) but I'm sure he'd need his head placed on his body to re-knit as he wouldn't grow a new one. Precedence for this is Wolvie cutting off Deadpool's head and telling someone to re-attach it and he won't die. Might lose a few brain cells at worst.

Alternate earths IIRC:
Punisher killed the hulk in two separate stories, wolverine killed the hulk in two separate stories, bruce banner killed a hulk general russ, hulk killed a future version of himself (earth 616) Another non-banner hulk was killed by nick fury - just off the top of my head.