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Asherian Command wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:#1 this is The Imperium invading Vanilla Marvel Earth (Not Chaos)

#2 There is always metal around, Chainswords, Bolters wiring from the Astartes armor, Astartes lose against Magneto.

#3 All that Tech you just listed? Forge now can make them as well.

Forge?
You do realize Daemon Blades are not able to be made by mortals right? They are made by daemons. Plus the Alpha Pyskers would rip a whole in the earth and kill us all.

Forge is no mere mortal.

Rip a whole in the earth and kill us all? as Deadshot said:

Deadshot wrote:... that is disallowed as they want the planet.

And there are more Alpha + Psykers in one major Earthly city than in any given area of the Imperium. (possibly an hyperbole... but only possibly)

Xavier's son was at least on the same level as Tzeentch, psychik power wise. That is, he could create his own dimension based on his psyche, and pull a world in it.

Subconsciously

...

Comic Book Hulk would slaughter any Primarch who isn't able to BFR him (I.E. Magnus teleportation).

In a straight up brawl using weapons and fists, the Hulk would kill all the Primarchs by himself. At the same time.

Hulk is invincible, there is no amount of punishment that can be done to him to kill him. Doesnt look good for the imperium

I don't even think you need the restrictions you placed on the Imperium.

Hulk, by himself, can handle just about everything the Imperium can throw at him.

Frank Richards can win by himself. He can control reality completely.

Throw in any of the immortal characters (Galactus, Mr. Sinister, etc.)

The mutant contingent can handle the entirety of the Imperial Army (if you want to, just throw Wolverine at them, and eventually he'll win). Cable laughs at lasers, Magneto laughs at everything else. Prof X, Jean, and the other mutant psykers can handle the Imperium's.

And this is barely scratching the surface. I think this is one of the few(ish) times that the Imperium gets beat hands down.

How about shaking.it.up then? Marvel vs Nids?

The Marvel Universe is one of the few that is as over the top as 40k. Marvel would very likely win since there are single characters from marvel earth (I am going to limit marvels use of characters like the phoenix, shuma, and other god entities.) that could hold the planet by themselves against the imperium.

The earth can not be taken by the Imperium. You have characters like magneto who can grab onto a piece of metal lightyears away and pull it back to earth. The imperium would be like the skrull invasion, except the skrull are a lot nastier than the guardsmen the imperium would be sending (however I would say your average marine is better than your average skrull) and the skrull lost even after disabling every piece of stark tech on the planet and they had the element of surprise.

Now stark tech is working, so all earths defense systems are up and running and they are expecting you? Hell if they wanted there is nothing stopping the earth from sending its heavier hitters up into space and stopping the imperium from ever landing a single troop on the ground.

And as much as I hate the hulk as other people have said he is basically a planet defense system by himself. And then there is grey hulk and red hulk.

The grey hulk would end Khorne even. Everything the hulk is, but smart and not animalistically dumb.

Marvel vs Nids would already open up a few more interesting lanes.
Imagine a Bio-Titan bio-engineered specifically for the purpose of keeping the Hulk constantly regenerating in his digestive system.

In fact screw that, imagine what happens when Cable get's eaten/escapes by infecting the Nids with the Techno-Virus. Boom. Everyone loses right there.

Who needs Hulk? Earth has Squirrel Girl.

I'll let Stark take this one:

I am amazed the fan-spank on Hulk. Any average Space Marine (or Aspect Warrior or whathaveyou) can pull a Blonsky on him without breaking a sweat. But unlike Blonsky, they come in groups of 10 (or even more), not alone.




Also, Initiative 10 Epistolarian (or Mephiston) + ForceWeapon Insta-Death = dead Hulk before he can get a single swing in.

I don't see the part where the Hulk lost, plus Comic!Hulk is a lot tougher than Movie!Hulk.

Hell, the only way the smartest minds on 616 could come up with to beat the Hulk was to sent him somewhere else, and that led to World War Hulk. the only reason that ended was through a Deus Ex Machina via Iron Man

Holy crap are you ever wrong.
This is as much fan-swank as would be saying that in a God vs the Imperium, God would obviously win. The Hulk's regenerative capacities are well beyond that of the Emperor, who could survive death with a little help. Hulk doesn't need help. His organs will rebuild themselves, they will put themselves back where they belong if they are displaced, and he will be up and running less than 20 minutes after being pulled apart and shredded. Wolverine can regenerate from his bone marrow as long as there is radioactivity in the area ; Hulks can regenerate from his quantum foam at any given moment.

and

Mephiston

Is laughable. Spider-Man could eat Mephiston.

BTW, Marvel also code their characters on a skill scale of 1-10. It's less precise than GW's (I think it's only CC, Endurance, Powers and Intelligence), but as a basis for comparison, even the 'weaker' heroes would be more than a match for a SM. Deadpool is CC 8 or 9, and he doesn't have anything boosting his offensive power.

Marvel is a world in which Death falls in love with humans based on how well they curbstomp the average Gods.
The Imperium holds no chance whatsoever...

Zweischneid wrote:I am amazed the fan-spank on Hulk. Any average Space Marine (or Aspect Warrior or whathaveyou) can pull a Blonsky on him without breaking a sweat. But unlike Blonsky, they come in groups of 10 (or even more), not alone.

Also, Initiative 10 Epistolarian (or Mephiston) + ForceWeapon Insta-Death = dead Hulk before he can get a single swing in.

You do realize that Hulk beats EVERY super hero. Comic book Hulk and movie Hulk are two very different beings. Comic book Hulk just gets stronger, faster, and regenerates more the more you hurt him.


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Kovnik Obama wrote:Marvel vs Nids would already open up a few more interesting lanes.
Imagine a Bio-Titan bio-engineered specifically for the purpose of keeping the Hulk constantly regenerating in his digestive system.

In fact screw that, imagine what happens when Cable get's eaten/escapes by infecting the Nids with the Techno-Virus. Boom. Everyone loses right there.

Again, Marvel no contest. There are way too many uber-powerful beings in the Marvel Universe.

Shrike325 wrote:

You do realize that Hulk beats EVERY super hero. Comic book Hulk and movie Hulk are two very different beings. Comic book Hulk just gets stronger, faster, and regenerates more the more you hurt him.

Nah. Doc Octopus for example owned him. He's tough, no doubt about it,.. but not invincible.



And of course Batman did too. But that was to be expected. Batman always wins! Lucky he's not Marvel technically.



Wolverine also beat him (as well as being beaten by him). So I assume guys like Shrike or a talented LC-Termy would also have a good 50/50 against the Hulk

Zweischneid wrote:I am amazed the fan-spank on Hulk. Any average Space Marine (or Aspect Warrior or whathaveyou) can pull a Blonsky on him without breaking a sweat. But unlike Blonsky, they come in groups of 10 (or even more), not alone.




Also, Initiative 10 Epistolarian (or Mephiston) + ForceWeapon Insta-Death = dead Hulk before he can get a single swing in.

You missed the part in that video, where the Hulk DOES get ahold of Blonsky and turns all his bones to DUST. No, 10 Space Marines wouldnt be able to handle the Hulk. A chapter, fighting together, at the same time, against the Hulk, wouldnt be able to handle the fething Hulk. I think your missing the point everyone is driving with the Hulk

I think your missing the point everyone is driving with the Hulk

This. Marvel have made quite a few absolute statements regarding their characters. The Hulk being unkillable by any other means than his own radiation sickness (and that's not even sure) is one of them.

On the other side, no such absolute statements of invulnerability exists in 40K.

So one side as an unstoppable force, while the other lacks a immovable object. Do the math.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

I think your missing the point everyone is driving with the Hulk

So one side as an unstoppable force, while the other lacks a immovable object. Do the math.

And Marvel has both! Enter the Blob and the Juggernaut!

Right. I mean, it's one of the things that makes me less appreciate 40K fluff. Even the most badass marine looks like a rampaging bull in comparison to Iron Man. Hell, Vanko's military Bots could take on a chapter by themselves...

Kovnik Obama wrote:

If worst comes to worst a few vortex missiles or grenades could bring down the hulk, red hulk, and Thor.

You do know that nothing, nothing can kill the Hulk but his own cancer, right? He will literally ressurect under all other known circumstances. The only thing that could be done would be to trap it in the Warp, Draigo style. And he would find a way out, eventually, and beat the crap of whoever put it there. There is no beating the Hulk (unless your Spidey). There is simply avoiding him until death comes another way.

And most Marvel big hitters would rape most Primarchs. You think smashing titans apart is a feat of psychik power? How about making the world a part of your psyche?

Lets see the hulk survive a SINGULARITY! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I still think a barrage of lascannon fire could down the hulk. It will take a lot though.

Now zombie hulk on the other hand...yeah, everyone (except zombie hulk) dies.

Wolverine vs. Draigo... Let the ultimate battle of Mary Sues begin....

Because, seriously. He survived a nuclear explosion centered on him. Apparently, you would have to decapitate him and seperate the head a good deal away from the body to kill him. Good luck getting through the adamantium spine, though. Of course, you could drown him. He still needs air, and he can't regenerate that.

And then you have the rest of the X-men. Cyclops rarely ever full-powers his optic weapon, but were he to, i believe it'd be like a turbo-laser. Colossus is basicly invunerable to anything, and is beastly strong. Beast can team up with Forge and Reed Richards to start making their own titans, and Jean Grey plus Xavier can start imploding the minds of everyone. Xavier could probably even link up to cerebro, and with a little help from Forge and Beast, could re-configure it to locate space marines via their unique gene signitures. Then, given an insignificant amount of time, he would kill every space marine on the planet, like he almost did in X-men 2. There goes the Imperium's perfect sword. And with a bit more work, forge will (not might, will) be able to figure out how to get it to target people from select different planets, like the gaurdsmen regiments, based on the slightly different genetic traits they would have.

Yeah, as ridiculously OTT 40k is, Marvel tops it in over-the-topness. Is that even possible? For Marvel universe, yes.

Wolverine actually isn't as invincible in 40k as Marvel. As we have already seen, 40k has things quite capable of cutting or blasting through adamantium. Hell, just one meltagun shot and wolverine dies.

That's assuming that 40k adamantium is the sam as marvel adamantium. We don't know if it is or not, They just have the same names. Adamantium is a popular name for super-strong metals. Perhaps Belaxer can decide weather they are the same or not, to eliminate confusion.

Can wolverines adamantium melt under extreme heat?
If so, then a melta shot can proabably burn straight through him before his healing factor could kick in.
What matters is where though. Through the belly, he might survive. Through the heart...maybe not. In the head...yeah, he's gone, unless he can grow another brain.

Nope, in marvel, it's described as being totally indestructable. In fact, in X-men 2, striker mentions that the hard thing about molton adamantium is that you have to keep it hot so it stays in its liquid state, because once it hardens, it's indestructable. I take that to mean that striker found some in a liquidized state naturally, and had to keep it constantly molton, otherwise he would just leave it solid, and melt it whenever he needed to.

CthuluIsSpy wrote: unless he can grow another brain.

He can.

loota boy wrote:Nope, in marvel, it's described as being totally indestructable. In fact, in X-men 2, striker mentions that the hard thing about molton adamantium is that you have to keep it hot so it stays in its liquid state, because once it hardens, it's indestructable. I take that to mean that striker found some in a liquidized state naturally, and had to keep it constantly molton, otherwise he would just leave it solid, and melt it whenever he needed to.

...chemistry doesn't work like that. All substances come in three possible forms depending on its temperature.
It is possible that Marvel adamantium has a high heat capacity, meaning that it takes a lot of energy and heat in order for it to change temperature and melt, which is why Striker would want it to constantly be molten; it would take too much time and trouble to get it back to a molten state.

That said, melta is still pretty friggen hot. One might not be able to do it, but it sure as well will hurt, and the pain would allow for subsequent melta hits.


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Kaldor wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote: unless he can grow another brain.

He can.

How...is that possible? 0_o

Or it's an entirely artificial material, produced in liquid state and kept hot until need. Wolverine was blasted completely apart many times, leaving only the adamantium structure and some bone marrow contained inside. Under normal circumstances he won't regenerate from that, but he won't be dead either. It isn't clear if Wolverine is actually killable. It's pretty clear that the Hulk isn't, tho (until Marvel decides to retcon that part).

Lets see the hulk survive a SINGULARITY! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Actually, I think a good way to think of the Hulk would be as a biological singularity. He is as much a fixture of Marvel's universe as any other illogical phenomena in ours such as infinity or quantum behaviors.