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Lottrup wrote:Magneto takes a Lascannon to the face.........

As far as i know light is'nt magnetic......

Mvh.

Magneto has an impenetrable force field and can wrap the lascannons into pretzels. Try again. If Marvel got to use anyone/everyone in it's forces, the Imperium of Man would get its collective arse handed to it. Magneto, Hulk, Thor, Sentry, Wolverine (near unkillable, stealth to make Raven Guard jealous, claws are questionable due to both sides having 'adamantium'-question is if it's the same material in both universes), Sentinels, Juggernaut/Colossus (same guy now-Piotr is both), fething PHOENIX (when she isn't dead)...and Strange, Doom, Xavier, White Queen, etc can deal with psykers. IoM doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at this invasion. Best to leave this Earth alone.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Right. I mean, it's one of the things that makes me less appreciate 40K fluff. Even the most badass marine looks like a rampaging bull in comparison to Iron Man. Hell, Vanko's military Bots could take on a chapter by themselves...

So you can't appreciate 40k because Marvel is even more over the top and impossible than 40k?

Marvel makes 40k look like a tame and normal universe, just because of how over the top slowed everything is.

Of course, we are talking about comic books. What do we expect?

Crazyterran wrote:
Of course, we are talking about comic books. What do we expect?

American Splendor?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

loota boy wrote:Nope, in marvel, it's described as being totally indestructable. In fact, in X-men 2, striker mentions that the hard thing about molton adamantium is that you have to keep it hot so it stays in its liquid state, because once it hardens, it's indestructable. I take that to mean that striker found some in a liquidized state naturally, and had to keep it constantly molton, otherwise he would just leave it solid, and melt it whenever he needed to.

...chemistry doesn't work like that. All substances come in three possible forms depending on its temperature.
It is possible that Marvel adamantium has a high heat capacity, meaning that it takes a lot of energy and heat in order for it to change temperature and melt, which is why Striker would want it to constantly be molten; it would take too much time and trouble to get it back to a molten state.

That said, melta is still pretty friggen hot. One might not be able to do it, but it sure as well will hurt, and the pain would allow for subsequent melta hits.


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CthuluIsSpy wrote: unless he can grow another brain.

He can.

How...is that possible? 0_o

He has: Wolverine Origins #26. Deadpool shoots him in the roof of his mouth, goes into the brain and rumbles around in there, turning it to jelly. An hour later, Wolverine wakes up. Oh, and we left out Ares too (before Sentry tore him in half). Marvel has a couple of gods, demi-gods and doesn't play fair. As to Cyclops optic blast, for an example of what he CAN do with it, and 99.999% of the time chooses not to do, watch the X-men Anime-people vaporize under the strength of his blast.

Yeah, but there was still a bit of the brain left in there wasn't there? I was talking about complete disintegration.

His bone marrow is trapped in his adamantium armor. If the frame is indestructible, then Wolverine is factually eternal.

Leave it to crazy Canadian scientists to accidentally create a God.


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So you can't appreciate 40k because Marvel is even more over the top and impossible than 40k?

In part because of Marvel, but mostly because Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, Farscape, hell, Iron Kingdoms, and most other IPs are better at both making believable the use of ''GODLY'' as a descriptive for their 'godly' characters, and at handling the differences of power between strong and weak characters in a manner that doesn't make most fighters irrelevant.

100 acid-spitting techno-barbarians can take and hold a civilized human world, and face adversaries that would otherwise doom UNTOLD BILLIONS (but I just told about them !?!)???? Not nearly believable. Now 100 Iron Man can take and hold a civilized human world? Any day of the week, and then some...

There are just certain threats that the IoM would be unable to counter.

The minute they reach orbit, Xavier+Cerebro could take control of every psychic pilot they had and crash all their ships into one another, they would never enter atmo.

Magneto could just pull their cruisers out of orbit, ala Starkiller in Force Unleashed. Any long range ordnance fired by the Imperial Navy would be negated by his protective field. You've got to get close enough for a meltagun, or even a lascannon. He can detect metals at the range of miles.

There are several Marvel entities that could sack a SM Chapter by themselves. Hulk, Thor, Colossunaut, Sentry, etc.

Wolverine could take the entire Imperial Guard landing force alone.

Even Exterminatus wouldn't be enough. There are beings at play that could not only survive it, but waste the entire attack fleet with but a hand wave.

....Also they have GALACTACUS.

IOM..... just fails against hulk. every shot would just make him bigger, angrier, and the IOMS weapons just wont do gak against him.

add the fact iron mans armor and weapons are tons more advanced then anything the imperium has.... just consider these two little words "Tank missile"

cap would have a tougher go of things, but would be a defensive nightmare. marines would have a lot of trouble bypassing his skill with that shield, and his speed and agility probally allows him to evade most of the imperiums tougher forces.

thor.... is thor. pretty much hulk level compared to IOM.

i wont even get into magneto and all the metal used in the IOMS stuff.... cause thats just gonna end badly

not to mention all the other characters... heck even venom or carnage would tear apart whatever they faced.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Can wolverines adamantium melt under extreme heat?

No.

If so, then a melta shot can proabably burn straight through him before his healing factor could kick in.

It wouldn't. And even if it did, his healing factor would just fix whatever you had hit.

What matters is where though. Through the belly, he might survive. Through the heart...maybe not. In the head...yeah, he's gone, unless he can grow another brain.

He'd survive all of those. He might get amnesia if you melted his brain, but he'd survive.

Earth is brought into the imperium, but the heroes become pirates fighting all the " bad guys"

Kovnik Obama wrote:This would be hugely funny. Marvel's Earth would be the greatest concentration of Alpha and above psykers the Imperium as ever met, probably even including the entire Eye.

But honestly all it takes is Deadpool to take an interest, and you'll soon have him juggling with the Emperor's bones. Alternatively, let Cable infect all Imperium machinery with his techno-virus.

No one from the avengers would be even close to an alpha+

Some of the more OTT villains, maybe, but none of the avengers. MAYBE a delta/gamma or two (doctor strange?)

Anyways, the IoM would steamroll them. They routinely face things that would make galactus blush, like greater daemons, avatars of khaine etc.

Also, someone said ironman would wreck imperial gak? No. He is basically a crisis suit but more maneuverable, less protection, less powerful but more numerous weapons and an electric butler who talks to him. Basically throw on vectored retro thrusters.

Ummm.. Galacticus EATS planets. He EATS them. Nomnomnom. In one bite. And then, if that ain't enough for you, there's the beyonder, who swats even Galacticus aside like a gnat. The beyonder is basically God. Sooooooo yeah. We have God. GF.

Durza wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Can wolverines adamantium melt under extreme heat?

No.

If so, then a melta shot can proabably burn straight through him before his healing factor could kick in.

It wouldn't. And even if it did, his healing factor would just fix whatever you had hit.

What matters is where though. Through the belly, he might survive. Through the heart...maybe not. In the head...yeah, he's gone, unless he can grow another brain.

He'd survive all of those. He might get amnesia if you melted his brain, but he'd survive.

No. if he was caught in a melta blast, there would be no organic matter left to start the healing process. Also, we know that adamantium cannot be melted after the 8 minute period, but nothing suggest it cannot be sublimated.




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loota boy wrote:Ummm.. Galacticus EATS planets. He EATS them. Nomnomnom. In one bite. And then, if that ain't enough for you, there's the beyonder, who swats even Galacticus aside like a gnat. The beyonder is basically God. Sooooooo yeah. We have God. GF.

Alpha+ accidentally destroy entire solar systems. They are much, much, much, much more powerful than galactus. Greater Daemons of tzeentch have more powerful sorcery than alpha+ psykers. Therefore, GD>Galactus. The beyonder is a pseudo god? We have literal gods, and LOTS of them. In fact, every faction that isn't FW or DE has gods, usually multiple. Gork+Mork would tear the beyonder a new one.

And eating planets is less impressive when you realize that khorne's sword alone can destroy them, so what could HE do?

It's no contest. The Beyonder wins. He can do anything. Literally anything. And he's Marvel universe. The Emperor and his forces have nothing on the Beyonder.

Titans come in?..the Beyonder turns them all into flowers.

The Imperium tries to bring in the Grey Knights?..The beyonder creates a replica of every single one of them, teleports them to an alternate reality and lets them duke it out for all eternity.

If you want to let the Imperium bring in the Exterminatus (yes, I know the ground rules say no, but still)...he would blink and the bombs would fall all over the Imperial fleet instead of earth.

If they brought every single marine force to earth to try to fight it out man to man the beyonder would turn every single person on earth into the Hulk...a planet with billions of hulks running around..

Sorry, Imperium loses.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Alpha+ accidentally destroy entire solar systems

Don't be silly. 30 Alpha+ psykers were released into a hive world in the Eisenhorn series and were recaptured inside of a week.

They are incredibly powerful, but they aren't evaporating star systems with their minds.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

Durza wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Can wolverines adamantium melt under extreme heat?

No.

If so, then a melta shot can proabably burn straight through him before his healing factor could kick in.

It wouldn't. And even if it did, his healing factor would just fix whatever you had hit.

What matters is where though. Through the belly, he might survive. Through the heart...maybe not. In the head...yeah, he's gone, unless he can grow another brain.

He'd survive all of those. He might get amnesia if you melted his brain, but he'd survive.

No. if he was caught in a melta blast, there would be no organic matter left to start the healing process. Also, we know that adamantium cannot be melted after the 8 minute period, but nothing suggest it cannot be sublimated.




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You seem to forget the ground rules of this discussion. It is imperium vs. Marvel, not 40k universe vs. Marvel. And not even the entire
imperium. This isn't a God vs. God debate. It is imperial invasion force vs. Marvel universe.

loota boy wrote:Ummm.. Galacticus EATS planets. He EATS them. Nomnomnom. In one bite. And then, if that ain't enough for you, there's the beyonder, who swats even Galacticus aside like a gnat. The beyonder is basically God. Sooooooo yeah. We have God. GF.

Alpha+ accidentally destroy entire solar systems. They are much, much, much, much more powerful than galactus. Greater Daemons of tzeentch have more powerful sorcery than alpha+ psykers. Therefore, GD>Galactus. The beyonder is a pseudo god? We have literal
gods, and LOTS of them. In fact, every faction that isn't FW or DE has gods, usually multiple. Gork+Mork would tear the beyonder a new
one.

And eating planets is less impressive when you realize that khorne's sword alone can destroy them, so what could HE do?

Bolded words are mine, sorry my iPhone is acting up.

The Marvel universe is one of the few that could not only hold its own vs 40k, but completely decimate it. professor x alone could mindwrip the whole planet, at will. The Hulk has been brought but..You. Can. Not.Stop.The.Hulk. If you are really lucky you can slow him, Good Ol Magneto can pull the earth off its axis at will, good luck bringing a fleet. Franklin Richards..just, Game over man, game over.And as for the Nids? Well already been there, done that. The brood did not do so hot, nor did any other Nid like beastly the MU has introduced over the years.

One other note. I would pay good money, No joke to see Deadpool run though a space Marine Chapter, wise creaking all the way.

He would hate Matt Ward too. You just know it.

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Hazardous Harry wrote:The fact of the matter is having even a couple of ships in orbit will give the Imperium a huge advantage. Even assuming their ships wouldn't be able to detect the Helicarrier, it would only take a lance strike or two to obliterate it.

I can't think of many instances that couldn't be solved by application of Imperial Navy firepower.

I think the OP means a planetside fight.

The OP has stated they'd only have access to what resources they normally would when conquering a planet. So the Imperium will definitely have a few ships in orbit, enough to soften up the biggest threats before sending in the ground forces.

Really, Marvel Earth has pretty much nothing that will be able to take on the Imperial Navy. The only exception is maybe Magneto, but I'd assume that his powers have a range limit. Even if they didn't, it would only take a single weapons battery firing in his general direction to completely level everything for a few hundred kilometres. As for Professor Xavier, the Imperium would probably identify him as an Alpha Plus psyker immediately and bring up firing solutions very damn quickly. Alternatively, you might get a Pysker Squad powerful enough to take him on, it would only be a question of resources and how many psykers the Imperium would be willing to expend (quite a lot).

Anything else would be made a piece of cake due to Orbital Strikes. You probably wouldn't even need the Astartes for this.

Kaldor wrote:

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Alpha+ accidentally destroy entire solar systems

Don't be silly. 30 Alpha+ psykers were released into a hive world in the Eisenhorn series and were recaptured inside of a week.

They are incredibly powerful, but they aren't evaporating star systems with their minds.

They weren't Alpha Psykers. You need to read that book again, becuase while those pyskers were powerful (hence why someone wanted them) they were nowhere near the level of Alpha Psykers.

This is, however, a moot point. As far as I'm aware the Imperium errs on the side of caution and kills Alpha levels rather than attempt to capture them. And on the other hand, we're talking about Vanilla Marvel Earth, not the entire Marvel Universe. So Galactus and a few of the other big fellas are out of the equation as well.

Eh I read the book a few weeks back. They were each and every one a Rogue Alpha level Psyker. All of them, not beta grade, not shoddy kinda rogue Pyskers. They nmade the big deal out of them as they were Alpha level.


MU earth at any given time has a few hundred Alpha level or better. The Stark defensive platforlms could hurt a fleet. Mags could feel it coming out past pluto and yes he can effect things at that range. MU has Meta humans and mutants who could handle a fleet, I love me so IN , but vs Marvel, they are fethed.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Alpha+ accidentally destroy entire solar systems.

Dunno where you get that from. IIRC, they pause threat to planets when left unchecked (implying a certain amount of time), as they will eventually become a gateway for deamons.

No one from the avengers would be even close to an alpha+

True, but then the Hulk doesn't need being a psyker. Any team with the Hulk doesn't need psykers. But a very large number of Alpha + would remain on (Marvel's) Earth. And some which seem to go well beyond the scope of 40K psykers (again, Xavier's autistic son pretty much matched Tzeentch as far as mystical feats ; creating his own universe).

Anyways, the IoM would steamroll them. They routinely face things that would make galactus blush, like greater daemons, avatars of khaine etc.

Well there's a bunch of powerful beings in between the Beyonder and Galactus, but the only thing that could match Galactus in 40K would be the old cron's C'tan.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Eh I read the book a few weeks back. They were each and every one a Rogue Alpha level Psyker. All of them, not beta grade, not shoddy kinda rogue Pyskers. They nmade the big deal out of them as they were Alpha level.

I think we need to set the definition of what an Alpha Plus psyker is. Because none of them in the Eisenhorn book (Ordo Malleus) demonstrated that kind of capability.

MU earth at any given time has a few hundred Alpha level or better. The Stark defensive platforlms could hurt a fleet.

I think you are seriously underestimating the Imperial Navy here. Would Stark's weapons even damage the shields?

Mags could feel it coming out past pluto and yes he can effect things at that range.

Okay, give an example. But even so, it would only take a single lance battery to obliterate him and the surrounding area.

MU has Meta humans and mutants who could handle a fleet, I love me so IN , but vs Marvel, they are fethed.

We need examples if we're going to have a discussion here.

Kovnik Obama wrote:
Dunno where you get that from. IIRC, they pause threat to planets when left unchecked (implying a certain amount of time), as they will eventually become a gateway for deamons.

Yep, though Alpha level psykers aren't deployed in that manner (if they are at all) and it's already been established that the Earth has to taken relatively intact.

Well there's a bunch of powerful beings in between the Beyonder and Galactus, but the only thing that could match Galactus in 40K would be the old cron's C'tan.

I'm sure you're not taking in the Emperor or the Chaos Gods into account, but since this is Imperium vs Marvel Earth we shouldn't even be discussing Galactus or Alpha level psykers.



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Personally, I can only see two possible real and actual threats to the forces of the Imperium.

Magneto: Depending on exactly how strong he is and at what range his powers are effective, he could actually threaten the Imperial Navy. It has to be kept in mind that Imperial Cruisers are essentially gigantic cities floating in space. For Magneto to threaten one he would have to be capable of destroying a city that was relatively the size of New York, while he was on the moon (and probably further as IN ships prefer to stay out of a planet's orbital well). It is safe to say that until Magneto is neautralized by either obliterating his current location or assasination there is no possibility of the Imperium effecting a successful landing.

Xavier: A little bit more straightforward. I reckon that, given proper warning, the Imperium to put together a Kabal of psykers strong enough to threaten him, or at least prevent him from targetting other Imperial forces. The preffered method would still be assasination.

Other than these two figures, I can't think of any inhabitants of Marvel Earth that would seriously impede the Imperium's invasion. Especially since they would have total Naval superiority.

That Naval superiority would mean gak-all against Cable. And considering how much that dude hates authoritarian regimes, the IoM is much better off not drawing his attention. He is about Xavier's level in many respects, and he outclasses him in several others. If he feels the threat justifies it's release, his Techno-Virus alone assures him victory against any biological or technological being, army, or fleet. It has already done that multiple amounts of times.

Well considering that Franklin Richards can bend reality to his will, I think that the fight would be over rather quickly.

Also, while yes, examples help, this discussion can only be perpetuated if you actually have knowledge of what each character is capable of.

Several people here simply do not understand the power of the Marvel universe, what the heroes and villains are capable of, or even that certain characters exist, and so they overestimate what the IoM could do to the planet.

In the Marvel universe, heroes and villains alike have defeated fleets and species larger and more powerful than the IoM.

Would it be a wash? Excluding the several characters who can simply bend reality to their will? No, there would be a fight. Would it be a long fight? No. There are simply too many heroes and villains for the IoM to be able to take earth without a prolonged engagement that eventually turns into a version of the Third War for Armageddon. It would cause massive devastation across the planet, and eventually the IoM would be forced to either give up the planet or bring down Exterminatus on the planet.

Well as the book called them Alpha level psykers, then they were alpha level Psykers.

And If I am having to give you examples , you clearly are not well versed in MU. I'll use Marvels power grid here. Marvel Ranks Chars with a point system along Six attributes. Intelligence, Strength,speed,Durability,Energy projection and fighting ability.

First lets look ay Magneto His powers are
"Magneto possesses the power to control all forms of magnetism. He can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially. It is unclear, however, whether he must draw magnetic force from outside himself (if so, then he can do so over vast distances), or whether he can also generate magnetic force from within himself. Nor is it clear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature. Magneto's power is, for all practical purposes, limitless. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erect magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy. Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, and has claimed to be able to control the minds of others, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal.Magneto’s ability to wield his superhuman powers effectively is dependent upon his physical condition. When severely injured, his body is unable to withstand the strain of manipulating great amounts of magnetic forces

Magneto has mastered many technological fields, and is an expert on genetic manipulation and engineering, with knowledge far beyond that of contemporary science. He is considered to be a genius in these fields. He can mutate humans in order to give them superhuman powers, or create adult clones of human beings and then manipulate the genetic structures of these clones during their development. He has also learned how to create artificial living beings. Magneto is also an excellent strategist, both in actual battles and games of chess.

His ratings are as Fallows
Intelligence: 6 (Super-Genius)
Strength: 2 (Normal: able to lift over own body weight, up to twice own body weight.)
Speed: 4(Speed of sound: peak velocity between Mach-1 to Mach-2)
Durability:6 (superhuman(which is above regeneration and bulletproof)
Energy projection: 6 (Able to discharge multiple forms of energy)
Fighting ability. 3 (some training)

All that is from marvel. He would waste a fleet, they could do nothing to him, Las rounds can do nothing to him.

Now for that list
Iron man(match mags in firepower, durability and is not only faster but can lift 75 to 100 tons) The movie iron man is but a shadow, a weak shadow at that
Havok( normal human in most ways, matchs the same firepower)
Hellion( same fire power)
Apocalypse ( You do not want none...Just go look...shuddder)
Banshee( unlimited energy output)
Darkstar( single type of firepower, but long range)
Firestare( unlisted energy many types)

I can go on and one and those are just a few mutants. Go take a gander at marvel.com and then ask yourself what the IoM could possibly do in an invasion.

Completely forgot about Apocalypse. Hell. Well if he wanted, he could semi-simultaneously teleport inside every ship in the fleet, at any range, then proceed to expand a few miles in every directions. That'll stop an invasion right there.

Also might explain why more 'conventional' space invasions aren't common in MU.

If he wanted to, yeah. His horsemen would one and all hurt anything the IoM could throw at em. The fact is MU is better then 40k at one upmen ship. They always have to make new threats for guys who can shatter worlds.

And all xavier would have to do is block the Astronomicon and....space...the final frontier.....these are the voyages of Imperial ships lost in the warp forever...

Again...no contest...the Marvel universe wins hands down.

Kovnik Obama wrote:That Naval superiority would mean gak-all against Cable. And considering how much that dude hates authoritarian regimes, the IoM is much better off not drawing his attention. He is about Xavier's level in many respects, and he outclasses him in several others. If he feels the threat justifies it's release, his Techno-Virus alone assures him victory against any biological or technological being, army, or fleet. It has already done that multiple amounts of times.

You'd need to somehow get him on the ships in the first place. And as the shields block any attempts at teleportation I'd assume that'd be a lot more difficult than you think.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Well as the book called them Alpha level psykers, then they were alpha level Psykers.

Actually, that means the book was incorrect. GW cannon's definition of an Alpha Psyker is very clearly not the equivalent of Eisenhorn's Alpha Psyker. If there's any inconsitency between the two we have to go with the official GW cannon, not a BL interpretation of it.

And If I am having to give you examples , you clearly are not well versed in MU. I'll use Marvels power grid here. Marvel Ranks Chars with a point system along Six attributes. Intelligence, Strength,speed,Durability,Energy projection and fighting ability.

First lets look ay Magneto His powers are
"Magneto possesses the power to control all forms of magnetism. He can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially. It is unclear, however, whether he must draw magnetic force from outside himself (if so, then he can do so over vast distances), or whether he can also generate magnetic force from within himself. Nor is it clear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature. Magneto's power is, for all practical purposes, limitless. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erect magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy. Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, and has claimed to be able to control the minds of others, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal.Magneto’s ability to wield his superhuman powers effectively is dependent upon his physical condition. When severely injured, his body is unable to withstand the strain of manipulating great amounts of magnetic forces

Magneto has mastered many technological fields, and is an expert on genetic manipulation and engineering, with knowledge far beyond that of contemporary science. He is considered to be a genius in these fields. He can mutate humans in order to give them superhuman powers, or create adult clones of human beings and then manipulate the genetic structures of these clones during their development. He has also learned how to create artificial living beings. Magneto is also an excellent strategist, both in actual battles and games of chess.

His ratings are as Fallows
Intelligence: 6 (Super-Genius)
Strength: 2 (Normal: able to lift over own body weight, up to twice own body weight.)
Speed: 4(Speed of sound: peak velocity between Mach-1 to Mach-2)
Durability:6 (superhuman(which is above regeneration and bulletproof)
Energy projection: 6 (Able to discharge multiple forms of energy)
Fighting ability. 3 (some training)

All that is from marvel. He would waste a fleet, they could do nothing to him, Las rounds can do nothing to him.

A decent, and comprehensive, description of his powers. Of course it said nothing of his ability to affect targets over the distance of the void, or even in orbit. Furthermore, his (very) limited control over energy is unlikely to be too effective against Lasguns. Sure it might block a couple of shots, but it would be nowhere near as easy as simply blocking bullets in midair. He most definitely isn't capable of deflecting a lance strike. Of course if the Imperials are getting anywhere near Magneto then neither side is doing their job properly.

Now for that list
Iron man(match mags in firepower, durability and is not only faster but can lift 75 to 100 tons) The movie iron man is but a shadow, a weak shadow at that
Havok( normal human in most ways, matchs the same firepower)
Hellion( same fire power)
Apocalypse ( You do not want none...Just go look...shuddder)
Banshee( unlimited energy output)
Darkstar( single type of firepower, but long range)
Firestare( unlisted energy many types)

I can go on and one and those are just a few mutants. Go take a gander at marvel.com and then ask yourself what the IoM could possibly do in an invasion.

You have to look at some of the limitations imposed by the OP. And remember this has taken place just after Secret Invasion. (Which means Osborne is in charge of SHIELD and not Nick Fury, if I'm correct). I'm not disputing that these guys could wreck face against Imperial Ground forces, but they can be taken down from the IN's firepower.

Belexar wrote:
-The Imperium wants the planet relatively intact, so any form of Exterminatus is not an option.

-The Imperium can only dispose of the forces it would normally use to perform a similar opperation (meaning it can't just throw every Space Marine in the galaxy at the Earth or land a few thousand Titans on it).

-Both heroes and villians (to a certain extent) will fight together to defend their planet.

-Earth is fully aware of the incoming invasion.

-The time period in which this takes place is shortly after the Secret Invasion.

-Marvel's heavy hitters (Thor, Black Bolt, Hulk, Sentry...) would stand on a level similar to that of a Primarch. This may be open to discussion if there is too much disgression about it.

-The Imperium can ward themselves against any attempt from Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom or any spellcaster to banish them all (or any similar spell that would end the conflict abruptly).

All else is up to us to discuss.

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McNinja wrote:Well considering that Franklin Richards can bend reality to his will, I think that the fight would be over rather quickly.

So where was he when Secret Invasion was going down?