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Three names.

Molecule Man
Franklin Richards
The Beyonder

During the Marvel Secret Wars, the power of the Beyonder was used to extinguish a galaxy. Molecule Man is the guy who turned all the stars in that galaxy back on, with a single thought. Oh, he's regarded as a low threat villain because when you have absolute control of molecules you don't really have much motivation to be out there breaking and entering.

Franklin Richards, when the Avengers were lost fighting Onslaught, created a pocket dimension with a replica of Earth for those heroes to live on. That's a replica with 6 billion living human beings plus animals and everything else that makes a planet. Franklin was a preschooler at the time.

The Beyonder is the sum totality of a universe in the form of a man. There is literally nothing he cannot do. (Marvel writers have tried to retcon that, because the Chief Editor hated the idea of an omnipotent character but retcons can be ignored)

Any one of these three could reduce the entire Imperial Fleet to its constituent atoms with a thought. All three combined? Let's not go there.

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
Any one of these three could reduce the entire Imperial Fleet to its constituent atoms with a thought. All three combined? Let's not go there.

Magneto can do that. He has control over electromagnetic forces. You know, like the ones that hold atoms together to form molecules? Sorry, as voer-the-top as the 40K universe is, it's got nothing on Marvel Universe.

It wouldn't even need to punch through the metal. One shot to the head. Everything on his skull is incinerated leaving a metal skull with a brain inside. Probably regenerated if his brain DIDN'T BOIL AWAY INSTANTLY.

Hazardous Harry wrote:


Actually, that means the book was incorrect. GW cannon's definition of an Alpha Psyker is very clearly not the equivalent of Eisenhorn's Alpha Psyker. If there's any inconsitency between the two we have to go with the official GW cannon, not a BL interpretation of it.

All I know is that in Eisenhorn verse they are alpha level.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
A decent, and comprehensive, description of his powers. Of course it said nothing of his ability to affect targets over the distance of the void, or even in orbit. Furthermore, his (very) limited control over energy is unlikely to be too effective against Lasguns. Sure it might block a couple of shots, but it would be nowhere near as easy as simply blocking bullets in midair. He most definitely isn't capable of deflecting a lance strike. Of course if the Imperials are getting anywhere near Magneto then neither side is doing their job properly.

His shield is damned effective against anything. It has held off, the Us Army, sentinels, the entire X-men group, planetary y bombardment and so forth. It can handle a few thousand Las rounds. Yeah he can handle a lance strike, he has handled things of such power before. He can use all energy types, does not mean he needs to do so.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
You have to look at some of the limitations imposed by the OP. And remember this has taken place just after Secret Invasion. (Which means Osborne is in charge of SHIELD and not Nick Fury, if I'm correct). I'm not disputing that these guys could wreck face against Imperial Ground forces, but they can be taken down from the IN's firepower.

Who is in charge of shield has nothing to do with it. The OP stated Villeins and heroes would team up and the MU earth knew the fleet was coming. That doomed it from the word GO. The IG would never hit land, the Navy would never near earth. Black bolt himself could weak it, thor would total it and mags can indeed effect things anywhere within earths system if he can feel it. Look up asteroid M sometime.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

So where was he when Secret Invasion was going down?

Grade school if i recall. so he was in play

I don't know much about comic books but from what it sounds like Marvel must be the most boring universe ever. How is anything ever even a threat to the heroes? What are the stakes with the Hulk who is apparently untouchable? Why have any conflict at all when there's dozens of reality bending gods? I think at some point you get so OTT it gets boring. After reading the posts here I can't imagine feeling any sense of danger or tension in a Marvel story.

The Hulk always has threats, but he is mostly not about the physical, but the struggle between mindless rage and self control.

Marvel is a pretty fantastic setting, It has both low power noir style action as well as planet threatening action. But, yeah it out Over the tops 40k in about every way you can.

im not seeing anything a standard IOM takeover force can do against the hulk.... anything in the air or theground would just make him mad, and thats pretty much the OPPOSITE of how you wanna handle him. (hint it involves your tail, your legs, and running very fast and very hard directly away from hulk)

as for magneto.... even in his dumbed down movie roles, hes stopped a full naval salvo in midair, lifted a frigging bridge, disarmed whole squads of police by earing apart their guns, and in the comics he RIPPED wolverines adamantium right out of his body. and the IOM would not be smart enough to switch to plastic armor and weapons. they would just send in MOAR SPEZZ MEHREENS!!!

without even going into galactus or beyonder, hell spiderman alone would do some serious damage. meltaguns... meet human torch and firestar... or how about that sqaud of terminators vrs carnage?

this fight is over before it begins.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:


Actually, that means the book was incorrect. GW cannon's definition of an Alpha Psyker is very clearly not the equivalent of Eisenhorn's Alpha Psyker. If there's any inconsitency between the two we have to go with the official GW cannon, not a BL interpretation of it.

All I know is that in Eisenhorn verse they are alpha level.

And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
A decent, and comprehensive, description of his powers. Of course it said nothing of his ability to affect targets over the distance of the void, or even in orbit. Furthermore, his (very) limited control over energy is unlikely to be too effective against Lasguns. Sure it might block a couple of shots, but it would be nowhere near as easy as simply blocking bullets in midair. He most definitely isn't capable of deflecting a lance strike. Of course if the Imperials are getting anywhere near Magneto then neither side is doing their job properly.

His shield is damned effective against anything. It has held off, the Us Army, sentinels, the entire X-men group, planetary y bombardment and so forth. It can handle a few thousand Las rounds. Yeah he can handle a lance strike, he has handled things of such power before. He can use all energy types, does not mean he needs to do so.

US Army < Sentinels < X-men group < < Planetary y bombardment (I don't even know what that is).

I would guess that a Lance Strike (if we're talking a general strike and not the punitive SM chapter master equivalents) would be more destructive than a Planetary y bombardment because they generally lay waste to continents, but I'd need to know what that is first.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
You have to look at some of the limitations imposed by the OP. And remember this has taken place just after Secret Invasion. (Which means Osborne is in charge of SHIELD and not Nick Fury, if I'm correct). I'm not disputing that these guys could wreck face against Imperial Ground forces, but they can be taken down from the IN's firepower.

Who is in charge of shield has nothing to do with it.

Actually it does. If Nick Fury was in charge you can bet that means a whole lot more co-ordination, less incompetence and overall a better outlook for the Marvel Earth. Generalship matters.

The OP stated Villeins and heroes would team up...

To some extent. It's not like they'll be co-operating without reservation. Indeed, I can imagine plenty of villains possibly considering this invasion a perfect opportunity to settle grudges or even defect entirely.

...and the MU earth knew the fleet was coming. That doomed it from the word GO. The IG would never hit land, the Navy would never near earth. Black bolt himself could weak it, thor would total it and...

Thor? I think you need to revise your knowledge in BFG fluff. Thor is the least of the Imperial Navy's worrries.

mags can indeed effect things anywhere within earths system if he can feel it. Look up asteroid M sometime.

Wrong, even if Asteroid M was built in space while Magneto was still on Earth, that only gives him a max range of 250 kilometres.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

So where was he when Secret Invasion was going down?

Grade school if i recall. so he was in play

So we're not really going to take him into account then, on account of the Imperium attacking during his naptime? Good.

Oh carnage..yeah that be a good one. He would love picking apart SM, they would have little change with him. He might toy with em though. People also forget how powerful spider man really is. as he is inhumanly fast, can feel the attack coming and can left about 10 or so tons.

Deadshot wrote:It wouldn't even need to punch through the metal. One shot to the head. Everything on his skull is incinerated leaving a metal skull with a brain inside. Probably regenerated if his brain DIDN'T BOIL AWAY INSTANTLY.

Wolverine has been hit by Nuclear warheads. Think about that for a moment. He has been incinerated into a charred metal skeleton by standing at ground zero of a nuclear warhead's explosion.


And he's regenerated from it.

Think about that.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Oh carnage..yeah that be a good one. He would love picking apart SM, they would have little change with him. He might toy with em though. People also forget how powerful spider man really is. as he is inhumanly fast, can feel the attack coming and can left about 10 or so tons.

I can imagine symbiotes would just love flamers.

BlaxicanX wrote:

Deadshot wrote:It wouldn't even need to punch through the metal. One shot to the head. Everything on his skull is incinerated leaving a metal skull with a brain inside. Probably regenerated if his brain DIDN'T BOIL AWAY INSTANTLY.

Wolverine has been hit by Nuclear warheads. Think about that for a moment. He has been incinerated into a charred metal skeleton by standing at ground zero of a nuclear warhead's explosion.


And he's regenerated from it.

Think about that.

A C'tan phase sword could conceivably succeed where others could not.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

Not in that setting no.

Hazardous Harry wrote:


US Army < Sentinels < X-men group < < Planetary y bombardment (I don't even know what that is).

I would guess that a Lance Strike (if we're talking a general strike and not the punitive SM chapter master equivalents) would be more destructive than a Planetary y bombardment because they generally lay waste to continents, but I'd need to know what that is first.

Sorry the Y got left in. Planetary bombardment is the strike at planetary targets from orbit. They nuked islands and it did nothing. which is a mote point anyhow as they would never reach orbit, they would be luck to make it ot mars. Good ol mages can move things from the asteroid belt while in earth orbit (see Asteroid M) Thats what you are failing to get, they would never make it.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Who is in charge of shield has nothing to do with it.

Actually it does. If Nick Fury was in charge you can bet that means a whole lot more co-ordination, less incompetence and overall a better outlook for the Marvel Earth. Generalship matters.

Not as much as you would think. It has already been said a single man could take the fleet out in route to earth as they KNOW they are coming. Mags would never allow mere humans to threaten his people or hold them in bondage. And pry you do not wake Apocalypse up and he decides to see how "fit" you are. Much less other people. A single "team" could in all likelihood stop such a thing. they do all the time.

The OP stated Villeins and heroes would team up...

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Thor? I think you need to revise your knowledge in BFG fluff. Thor is the least of the Imperial Navy's worrries.

And you need more Knowledge of thor. He could one shot a cruiser, no kidding here. He could punch though the hull, walk though as he is a god frying the thing of a distance if he so choose. Thor has unlimited power, is nigh unkillable , Lift well over a hundred tons, is a master of most fighting styles and oh yes moves at the speed of freaking light.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Wrong, even if Asteroid M was built in space while Magneto was still on Earth, that only gives him a max range of 250 kilometres.

He umm pulled it out of the asteroid belt into earth orbit. You are trying to argue something you clearly are not well read on man.

Hazardous Harry wrote:


So we're not really going to take him into account then, on account of the Imperium attacking during his naptime? Good.

Again ya do not know the subject matter, sleep or awake are all the same to him.

the other thing to consider, is marvels superheros/villans all tend to have adaptability, and feature numerous skill sets across multiple powers. the IOM is generally 1 dimensional. they show up, bombard, land IG troops, and begin a meat grinder. (troops [ushing up front, tanks blasting and supporting) if things get tough, they MIGHT call in the space marines, who would invariably attempt to drop pod/ deepstrike into the middile of the heaviest fighting as a "shock move". and if faced with a foe that is immune to the used weapons or is proving too much, they just do more of the same, hoping to overwhelm it. they dont and probally couldnt change weapons and armor over to plastic to counter magneto, nor could they suddenly train troops IG or marine, to anticipate spidermans acrobatics, or withstand wolverines claws. sure, bolter fire will go like crazy, but neither of those 2 care. and in video game footage, melta weapons are long firing, long recharge, highly inacurate and generally short range. if your close enough to wolverine or spidey to fire it, your probally already down disarmed or dead.

and when a SINGLE "minor" character like spidey, cap, wolverine, etc can take down whole squads of your troops and still get more, imagine what more powerful characters like magneto, dr doom, xavier, can do.

ground infantry - well read up.
tanks - meet firestar (walking melta cannon), human torch, wolverine, venom, both goblins, iron man.... plus the obvious magneto. aircraft? again, youve got ironman, magneto, the goblins, any character that can fly (and marvel has TONS of those) with any kind of ranged firepower. = done aircraft.
heavy armor infantry - just more of the above (although spidey MIGHT have troubles pinning down space marines, as he tends to try and capture or disable instead of kill)

if we go to DC universe....superman, batman.... et all.

IOM just dosent have the hard counters, or the ABILITY to intelligently counter a world of super characters.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

I can imagine symbiotes would just love flamers.

Those would hurt, but likely to die screaming first honestly. Then again Carnage would rather play with the IG.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
A C'tan phase sword could conceivably succeed where others could not.

Highly unlikely, ok not gonna happen really. Sorry man a sword isn't gonna do it when nukes and magic have already failed to do so.


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Unrelated note on alpha level psykers. You do know that Alpha level psykers were Dan Abnett''s creation right? So saying he got something wrong he created is a bit silly.


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DarthSpader wrote:

if we go to DC universe.

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Three words.

Green. Lantern. Corps

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

Not in that setting no.

BL setting < GW cannon. You're flat out wrong here if you're trying to claim that Eisenhorn's idea of Alpha level psykers is correct.

However, as I've said, the Imperium tends to kill Alpha's on sight before capturing them.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

US Army < Sentinels < X-men group < < Planetary y bombardment (I don't even know what that is).

I would guess that a Lance Strike (if we're talking a general strike and not the punitive SM chapter master equivalents) would be more destructive than a Planetary y bombardment because they generally lay waste to continents, but I'd need to know what that is first.

Sorry the Y got left in. Planetary bombardment is the strike at planetary targets from orbit. They nuked islands and it did nothing. which is a mote point anyhow as they would never reach orbit, they would be luck to make it ot mars. Good ol mages can move things from the asteroid belt while in earth orbit (see Asteroid M) Thats what you are failing to get, they would never make it.

So Magneto survived a direct thermonuclear blast? That is what you're telling me? He didn't even build a shield or anything around him, he just took it on the chin?

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Actually it does. If Nick Fury was in charge you can bet that means a whole lot more co-ordination, less incompetence and overall a better outlook for the Marvel Earth. Generalship matters.

Not as much as you would think. It has already been said a single man could take the fleet out in route to earth as they KNOW they are coming. Mags would never allow mere humans to threaten his people or hold them in bondage. And pry you do not wake Apocalypse up and he decides to see how "fit" you are. Much less other people. A single "team" could in all likelihood stop such a thing. they do all the time.

So the obvious answer is to assasinate him ahead of time. If the X-men can manage to defeat him I'm sure an Officio Assasinorum operative could conceivably do so. Really, Magneto is the only honest-to-goodness threat to Imperial Cruisers. Once he's dealt with the invasion of Earth is much more straightforward, namely obliterating that might threaten their ground forces.

Hell, Mystique could already be a Callidus Assassin for all we know.

The OP stated Villeins and heroes would team up...

Maybe you forgot to address my post here.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Thor? I think you need to revise your knowledge in BFG fluff. Thor is the least of the Imperial Navy's worrries.

And you need more Knowledge of thor. He could one shot a cruiser, no kidding here. He could punch though the hull, walk though as he is a god frying the thing of a distance if he so choose. Thor has unlimited power, is nigh unkillable , Lift well over a hundred tons, is a master of most fighting styles and oh yes moves at the speed of freaking light.

And how can you say with any authority that his ability to lift one hundred tons will do anything against a ship's shields? We're talking really big shields, the kind that shrugs of firepower that would level cities.

He umm pulled it out of the asteroid belt into earth orbit. You are trying to argue something you clearly are not well read on man.

Ah okay, the only number I could find when I was looking up his powers was a range of 250 kilometres.

Hazardous Harry wrote:


So we're not really going to take him into account then, on account of the Imperium attacking during his naptime? Good.

Again ya do not know the subject matter, sleep or awake are all the same to him.

So why didn't he help out with that Secret Invasion thing? In fact why hasn't he just fixed everything that could ever possibly hurt anyone on Marvel Earth ever?

Hunterindarkness wrote:
Those would hurt, but likely to die screaming first honestly. Then again Carnage would rather play with the IG.

Then I imagine melta and plasma would do a whole lot better.

Highly unlikely, ok not gonna happen really. Sorry man a sword isn't gonna do it when nukes and magic have already failed to do so.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/C'tan_phase_weapon#.T6iJEuvOyeY

Unrelated note on alpha level psykers. You do know that Alpha level psykers were Dan Abnett''s creation right? So saying he got something wrong he created is a bit silly.

So Dan Abnett contradicted himself? You're right, that is a bit silly of him.

In fact why hasn't he just fixed everything that could ever possibly hurt anyone on Marvel Earth ever?

Marvel seems to have so many characters capable of doing this that I can't understand why anyone would care for it. I mean I liked the Spider Man cartoons but I don't remember him being so ridiculous.

asimo77 wrote:

In fact why hasn't he just fixed everything that could ever possibly hurt anyone on Marvel Earth ever?

Marvel seems to have so many characters capable of doing this that I can't understand why anyone would care for it. I mean I liked the Spider Man cartoons but I don't remember him being so ridiculous.

Unless they secretly revel in the constant pain and suffering, enjoying the endless conflict and only intervening when anything might break their toys...

I think this Beyonder fella is by far the worst. The writers pretty much wanted to have an excuse to do anything ever in-universe, so they just added god to their mythos. Seems kinda lazy and if he's the kind of deity who is so advanced that he doesn't care about mortals and such then he seems completely unecessary

...then again I've always thought comics were kinda dumb, no offense to its readers though.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
BL setting < GW cannon. You're flat out wrong here if you're trying to claim that Eisenhorn's idea of Alpha level psykers is correct.

However, as I've said, the Imperium tends to kill Alpha's on sight before capturing them.

You are not thinking alpha level. You are thinking Alpha Plus psyker. And man I said above the whole alpha psyker thing was made up by Abnett's for that very book. That there is the very first use of the term "Alpha level psyker" in 40k. So yes, it is the correct usage.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

So Magneto survived a direct thermonuclear blast? That is what you're telling me? He didn't even build a shield or anything around him, he just took it on the chin?

Perhaps you did not notice the term impenetrable force field or the fact he an control any type of energy. He is God like in power and to be blunt nothing the IoM has is gonna do much to him.

Hazardous Harry wrote:



So the obvious answer is to assasinate him ahead of time. If the X-men can manage to defeat him I'm sure an Officio Assasinorum operative could conceivably do so. Really, Magneto is the only honest-to-goodness threat to Imperial Cruisers. Once he's dealt with the invasion of Earth is much more straightforward, namely obliterating that might threaten their ground forces.

So yes, a god like team including two minds that puts the emperor to shame can defeat him. Poor assassins have no hope at all. its been tried by better and far more powerful people.
Hell, Mystique could already be a Callidus Assassin for all we know.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Maybe you forgot to address my post here.

It was not relevant. earth has a few thousand heroes and villeins. One or two alone can end the fleet before it gets past mars. If a few decide to strike while thats going one, eh its a Tuesday.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
And how can you say with any authority that his ability to lift one hundred tons will do anything against a ship's shields? We're talking really big shields, the kind that shrugs of firepower that would level cities

.

And we are talking about a being with level 7 unlimited energy. He is a lance times a thousand . Shields will will not slow him. . Thor can go toe to toe with the hulk, he can weild power that can likely burn cities if he so wishes, he can level mountains with a punch.You are really not getting comic book level of power man

Hazardous Harry wrote:


So why didn't he help out with that Secret Invasion thing? In fact why hasn't he just fixed everything that could ever possibly hurt anyone on Marvel Earth ever?

his powers are wonkey, and maybe he did. He often does things in the future that are not apparent in the past, he makes whole realities and worlds in his dreams. Who can say.

The issue is, that is the level of power you are dealing with. 40k just can't handle it.







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asimo77 wrote:I think this Beyonder fella is by far the worst. The writers pretty much wanted to have an excuse to do anything ever in-universe, so they just added god to their mythos. Seems kinda lazy and if he's the kind of deity who is so advanced that he doesn't care about mortals and such then he seems completely unecessary

...then again I've always thought comics were kinda dumb, no offense to its readers though.

It was a neat story arc. after all god like heroes need things to battle.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:
BL setting < GW cannon. You're flat out wrong here if you're trying to claim that Eisenhorn's idea of Alpha level psykers is correct.

However, as I've said, the Imperium tends to kill Alpha's on sight before capturing them.

You are not thinking alpha level. You are thinking Alpha Plus psyker. And man I said above the whole alpha psyker thing was made up by Abnett's for that very book. That there is the very first use of the term "Alpha level psyker" in 40k. So yes, it is the correct usage.

Except it has been contradicted by GW cannon. So no, it is not the correct usage. Alpha psykers are capable of snapping Titan's in half, or make someone explode with a glance. Alpha plus change the very surface of the planet they are on, willingly or no.

But, for the third time, this isn't relevant becuase the Imperium can't get their hands on reliable Alpha psykers.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

So Magneto survived a direct thermonuclear blast? That is what you're telling me? He didn't even build a shield or anything around him, he just took it on the chin?

Perhaps you did not notice the term impenetrable force field or the fact he an control any type of energy. He is God like in power and to be blunt nothing the IoM has is gonna do much to him.

Hunterindarkness wrote:He can erect magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection

I find it a little funny that there are degrees of impenetrability. Either it's impenetrable or it's not.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
So the obvious answer is to assasinate him ahead of time. If the X-men can manage to defeat him I'm sure an Officio Assasinorum operative could conceivably do so. Really, Magneto is the only honest-to-goodness threat to Imperial Cruisers. Once he's dealt with the invasion of Earth is much more straightforward, namely obliterating that might threaten their ground forces.

So yes, a god like team including two minds that puts the emperor to shame can defeat him. Poor assassins have no hope at all. its been tried by better and far more powerful people.

Except those minds have absolutely no sway over Magneto due to his (relatively simple) helmet design. And I'm sure Magneto would be more than a little surprised to see one of his loyal minions shove a C'tan Phase Sword through his face.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Maybe you forgot to address my post here.

It was not relevant. earth has a few thousand heroes and villeins. One or two alone can end the fleet before it gets past mars. If a few decide to strike while thats going one, eh its a Tuesday.

Since we're talking about Marvel Earth as a whole, rather than just Magneto, it really is relevant.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
And how can you say with any authority that his ability to lift one hundred tons will do anything against a ship's shields? We're talking really big shields, the kind that shrugs of firepower that would level cities

.

And we are talking about a being with level 7 unlimited energy. He is a lance times a thousand .

Source? And how can there be 'levels' of unlimited energy?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lance#.T6iZ1evOyeY

Shields will will not slow him. . Thor can go toe to toe with the hulk, he can weild power that can likely burn cities if he so wishes, he can level mountains with a punch.You are really not getting comic book level of power man

If you can give me an example which would indicate that Thor would not be thrown into the Warp the moment he made contact with a Void Shield. After all, he is moving at the speed of light.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Shield#.T6iZaOvOyeY

Hazardous Harry wrote:


So why didn't he help out with that Secret Invasion thing? In fact why hasn't he just fixed everything that could ever possibly hurt anyone on Marvel Earth ever?

his powers are wonkey, and maybe he did. He often does things in the future that are not apparent in the past, he makes whole realities and worlds in his dreams. Who can say.

The issue is, that is the level of power you are dealing with. 40k just can't handle it.

His powers are 'wonky'? Exactly what kind of argument is that?

Hazardous Harry wrote:And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

I'm sorry, do you believe you have a better understanding of the capabilities of an Alpha level psyker than Dan Abnett?

Please, I'd love to see you back that one up.

Re: Thor.

He flies directly through each and every fusion reactor, destroying every capital ship in the fleet. Why would void shields affect him when they don't affect ordnance? Even if they reacted to his speed, he'd simply slow down enough to pass through and then speed up again.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

I find it a little funny that there are degrees of impenetrability. Either it's impenetrable or it's not.

I find it funny you are still not understanding the nature of MU power. For the nature of this convo yeah he could take a hit or two before it bust and he has to re power it at will.


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Hazardous Harry wrote:

Except those minds have absolutely no sway over Magneto due to his (relatively simple) helmet design. And I'm sure Magneto would be more than a little surprised to see one of his loyal minions shove a C'tan Phase Sword through his face.

First off it is a helm designed by Pro X to do just the very thing and is far from simple. And the C'tan sword or its minion never gets close, ever. You are trying to attack someone in ways he simply can not be harmed.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
Since we're talking about Marvel Earth as a whole, rather than just Magneto, it really is relevant.

No its not. Mags or any of a hundreds others could handle the fleet. most folks would never know about it. They fact some may take advantage is irrelevant to the out come.Fleets that large have threatened before. None ever do gak man.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
And how can you say with any authority that his ability to lift one hundred tons will do anything against a ship's shields? We're talking really big shields, the kind that shrugs of firepower that would level cities

.

And we are talking about a being with level 7 unlimited energy. He is a lance times a thousand .

Hunterindarkness wrote:



Except those minds have absolutely no sway over Magneto due to his (relatively simple) helmet design. And I'm sure Magneto would be more than a little surprised to see one of his loyal minions shove a C'tan Phase Sword through his face.

First off it is a helm designed by Pro X to do just the very thing and is far from simple. And the C'tan sword or its minion never gets close, ever. You are trying to attack someone in ways he simply can not be harmed.

Kaldor wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

I'm sorry, do you believe you have a better understanding of the capabilities of an Alpha level psyker than Dan Abnett?

Please, I'd love to see you back that one up.

Ohoho, not paying attention to the discussion again, Kaldor? As I've already said, Eisenhorn's definition (A BL novel) is different from that of the GW rulebook. The GW rulebook takes precedence here.

Re: Thor.

He flies directly through each and every fusion reactor, destroying every capital ship in the fleet. Why would void shields affect him when they don't affect ordnance? Even if they reacted to his speed, he'd simply slow down enough to pass through and then speed up again.

No, Thor is not immortal as confirmed.in the new Avengers movie [spoiler] where he is semt plummeting to.his death by Loki in a sealed cage. If he was really immortal he wouldn't have broken out. He would have just taken it on the chin, got up and walked away.

It is called Magneto, with Ironman/Warmachine/Hulk/Wolverine cleaning up the field, while Mag stalls them. Thor would probably kill any orbital ship and Cyclops can keep his eyes open behind a wall condensed air so no sort of projectile hits him (ie Storm). GG 40k


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Btw, if Thor was in The warp, pretty sure the place would get mopped, swept, dusted, and bleached. Real estate would be be booming.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:And know you know that Eisenhorn was incorrect.

I'm sorry, do you believe you have a better understanding of the capabilities of an Alpha level psyker than Dan Abnett?

Please, I'd love to see you back that one up.

Ohoho, not paying attention to the discussion again, Kaldor? As I've already said, Eisenhorn's definition (A BL novel) is different from that of the GW rulebook. The GW rulebook takes precedence here.

Ohoho, citation still needed.

On the IoM vs Thor debate:

It's really all in the name Imperium of Man. God of Thunder.

Also, the X-Men rarely actually defeat Magneto. Sometimes (not even always), they thwart his plans. That's not the same thing.
That, and plot. The comic is called "Uncanny X-Men", not "Magneto"

Deadshot wrote:No, Thor is not immortal as confirmed.in the new Avengers movie [spoiler] where he is semt plummeting to.his death by Loki in a sealed cage. If he was really immortal he wouldn't have broken out. He would have just taken it on the chin, got up and walked away.

Movie ain't comics. In the movie they made Thor a member of a technoligically advanced race. in the comics, he's a god. See the difference? Well, maybe there isn't one. Anyways, the gods can be killed, but they're not likely to die of old age. That's their 'immortality'.

*sigh*

For everything mentioned in the Marvel's favour in this thread, theres something worse in the 40k universe.

Magneto would die to a single shot from anything non metallic. He probably wouldnt even see it coming.

All of those OP ones somebody mentioned up there ^ like the beyonder are dwarfed by the C'tan and Chaos Gods. But can we leave ALL Omnipotent / untouchable characters out? Because if we dont, then I just say virus bomb.

Hulk is resilient but can die of old age / dies easily when not angry, and I 100% gurantee theres something in 40k that could one hit him. If not put him in one of those Tesseract Labyrinths they use to keep daemons. Yes, we saw how powerful a Tesseract is in Avengers Thor is actually quite killable, according to Avengers where a whee drop from a flying Aircraft Character almost kills him.

Arguably, Adamantium is to strong for the Hulk to even break, its the same stuff Wolverines skeleton is made out of , and terminators wear a full suit of it. The hulk might be able to throw them??? Also I refuse to believe Hulk is "invincible other than his own cancer". At best he is Impervious to small arms fire, but what about nerve gas and burning flames? What about firing him into space? If the imperium can drop a bomb that has the same affect as an asteroid hitting a planet, Im sure it can kill a hulk.

I'd love to see Iron Man try to take out 200 Hyrdra.