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Sticking him in space would work. In Incredible Hulk he jumps on a F-22 IIRC and it flies up into space. As the pilot and craft float away to death, Hulk drops back down, only regaining conciousness when he hit the ground but he just walked it off.

Jaon wrote:

Also I refuse to believe Hulk is "invincible other than his own cancer". At best he is Impervious to small arms fire, but what about nerve gas and burning flames? What about firing him into space? If the imperium can drop a bomb that has the same affect as an asteroid hitting a planet, Im sure it can kill a hulk.

Kind of a wilfully ignorant statement, it's pretty much established throughout the comic books that he can't die, if Marvel says he can't die, then he can't die, your refusal is irrelevant.

Also can people stop saying about Chaos gods, C'tan etc, last I checked none of them were part of the Imperium of Man. And as the C'tan were destroyed by their own slaves and the Chaos gods cannot manifest in this reality, neither would be significant in this battle anyway. If the Chaos gods could directly influence battles then they would simply have appeared and smashed the Emperor down instead of wasting years turning the Primarchs.

Deadshot wrote:Sticking him in space would work. In Incredible Hulk he jumps on a F-22 IIRC and it flies up into space. As the pilot and craft float away to death, Hulk drops back down, only regaining conciousness when he hit the ground but he just walked it off.

Not into space, just up to the Raptors maximum altitude. The Hulk can't stand the cold or severe lack of oxygen for more than a few seconds, while the pilot can. The Hulk slipped into unconsciousness while the pilot was fine.


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KorPhaeron77 wrote:

Jaon wrote:

Also I refuse to believe Hulk is "invincible other than his own cancer". At best he is Impervious to small arms fire, but what about nerve gas and burning flames? What about firing him into space? If the imperium can drop a bomb that has the same affect as an asteroid hitting a planet, Im sure it can kill a hulk.

Kind of a wilfully ignorant statement, it's pretty much established throughout the comic books that he can't die, if Marvel says he can't die, then he can't die, your refusal is irrelevant.

Also can people stop saying about Chaos gods, C'tan etc, last I checked none of them were part of the Imperium of Man. And as the C'tan were destroyed by their own slaves and the Chaos gods cannot manifest in this reality, neither would be significant in this battle anyway. If the Chaos gods could directly influence battles then they would simply have appeared and smashed the Emperor down instead of wasting years turning the Primarchs.

The funny thing is, there are dozens of legitimate god-esque being in the Marvel universe that both appear and directly influence certain events. Also, if there was to be a battle in the heavens, the One-Above-All would simply end that reality and create a new one where everyone isn't a moron.


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asimo77 wrote:I don't know much about comic books but from what it sounds like Marvel must be the most boring universe ever. How is anything ever even a threat to the heroes? What are the stakes with the Hulk who is apparently untouchable? Why have any conflict at all when there's dozens of reality bending gods? I think at some point you get so OTT it gets boring. After reading the posts here I can't imagine feeling any sense of danger or tension in a Marvel story.

This is pretty high-end stuff. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of superheroes, some of them far more powerful than others. Keep in mind that the caliber of villain is generally equal or greater than the hero.

Thor has Loki
Spider-man has venom and Carnage (carnage is actually far more powerful than Spider-man due to his psychotic insanity). In fact, spider-man got roflstomped by the Scorpion in their first fight.
The X-Men have the likes of Magneto, Sentinels, the US government, etc to deal with, hence why they are a team, though the leaders of both the Brotherhood and the X-Men are about equal in terms of power.
And so on.

It's not just the heroes who are OP. The villains are OP as well.

McNinja wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Sticking him in space would work. In Incredible Hulk he jumps on a F-22 IIRC and it flies up into space. As the pilot and craft float away to death, Hulk drops back down, only regaining conciousness when he hit the ground but he just walked it off.

Not into space, just up to the Raptors maximum altitude. The Hulk can't stand the cold or severe lack of oxygen for more than a few seconds, while the pilot can. The Hulk slipped into unconsciousness while the pilot was fine.

No, it was definately into space. The pilot kept trying to go down, but the general (the dad of the women in Hulk that doesn't like Banner) keeps order him up, and they reach the edge of the atmosphere and the plane floats away with the pilots screams.

Chaos gods and Ctan more powerful than the beyonder? not even close..

The beyonder could simply wish the Emperor and the entire imperium out of existence and they're done...he literally can do anything and you can't counter it if he really doesn't want you to.

Chaos gods cannot do that and neither can the Ctan. Ctan can't even keep from becoming the slaves of the Necrons and Chaos gods can't even manifest in reality. Nor can Gork and Mork or any of the other chaos beings except daemons. And daemons have nothing on the beyonder.

The truth of it is Comic books out do 40k cheese by about a billion to one.

Gork and Mork.might have a chance. All the orks believe GNM are invincible and believe themsleves invincible when GNM are about so therefore its true.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

You're assuming he would know how the Void Shields worked in the first place. How would he have that knowledge?

The OP said earth knew the IoM was on its way. Someone like the Prof, Mags, Forge, cable or any number of other people could see how they work with a glance or a simple fleet wide mind read. There are a gakload of people In MU that could understand how they work in a dozen or so way at but a glance. And even if they did not a single blast or so would pop them anyhow.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Well the answer is fairly straightforward then. Instead of just making him take a hit or two, make him take three. Or four. Or a dozen. If his 'impenetrable' shield really is penetrable, then it's only a matter of when, not if, a lance barrage will finish him.

EDIT: Also, with the "I find it funny that there are levels of impenetrable" that was more a jab at the definition, not yourself.

Knowing what I do of lances, I would say that is not gonna happen. He has been hit with harder and more powerful stuff. Besides you would get 1 shot and would not make it to orbit anyhow.

Hazardous Harry wrote:
First off it is a helm designed by Pro X to do just the very thing and is far from simple. And the C'tan sword or its minion never gets close, ever. You are trying to attack someone in ways he simply can not be harmed.

How would a C'tan phase sword not work?

How would Magneto be able to detect the Callidus Assassin?

Hunterindarkness wrote:

You belief is fact is irrelevant. He is in fact immune and totally invincible. That is a fact of the MU.

He is not. Hulk goes down to simple tear-gas and a (reasonably-well-trained, not Space Marine level mind you) mortal's kick to the solar plexus. Nothing fancy needed to take him out.

That is unfair. Batman was the good guy. He has to win in the.comics.

I also can't remember if Ghost rider is Marvel or DC.

Deadshot wrote:That is unfair. Batman was the good guy. He has to win in the.comics.

I also can't remember if Ghost rider is Marvel or DC.

Unfair or not unfair doesn't matter. Fact is, Hulk is NOT invincible. Infact, he's hardly a major threat at all to the kind of stuff the IoM would take out (I doubt they even bother with fancy, non-lethal Batman-good-guy gas and would rather go straight to the mean stuff). Seriously, when did the IoM ever play it fair?

Marvel vs Dc cross overs are outside out the MU.The winner is always the Star of the comic and the guy who belongs to the company who released that issue.

Go luck him up on Marvel.com. Batman just broke his leg.

Ghost rider is Marvel.

Hulk just does the same. SM tries to get close and Hulk pummels him.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Marvel vs Dc cross overs are outside out the MU.The winner is always the Star of the comic and the guy who belongs to the company who released that issue.

Go luck him up on Marvel.com. Batman just broke his leg.

Ghost rider is Marvel.

Well, what would go for a Marvel vs. DC cross-over would go for a 40K vs. Marvel crossover too I guess. So Hulk would still get bitch-slapped 50% of the time. Hawkeye also pulled the gas-trick on She-Hulk, so it's fair to assume gas works on the Hulk no matter what.

Anyhow, Hulk's not invincible Marvel-only either. Just replace Wolverine with a Lightningclaw Termy or Shrike perhaps.



Point is. He is not invincible. Far from it. Never was. In no version that has ever been written.

From Marvel.com's Hulk bio

"The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular.

The Hulk uses his superhumanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk can also use his superhumanly leg muscles to run at super speeds, although his legs have limitless strength he does not have limitless speed and once he reaches a certain speed his legs become too strong and destroy the ground giving him no friction to run on, therefore he jumps to travel.

The Hulk can slam his hands together creating a shock wave, this shock wave can deafen people, send objects flying and extinguish fires. His thunderclap has been compared to hurricanes and sonic booms.

The Hulk has shown a high resistance to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown resistance to extreme temperatures, mind control, nuclear explosions, poisons, and all diseases. In addition to the regeneration of limbs, vital organs, and damaged or destroyed areas of tissue at an amazing rate. The Hulk also has superhuman endurance.
The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis."


Nothing a Sm can do will phase him

And to be fair..it was Batman.





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Zweischneid wrote:

Point is. He is not invincible. Far from it. Never was. In no version that has ever been written.

where the next page? Ya know the one he gets up? Also that was not S.I era hulk. which is war hulk if I recall.

Then Ghost rider pops on board Cruiser. Looks into everyones souls.Sees corruption and violence. Sees them.destroying Xenos and civilisations and families simply because they are not.humman. Everyone goes to hell.

Deadshot wrote:Then Ghost rider pops on board Cruiser. Looks into everyones souls.Sees corruption and violence. Sees them.destroying Xenos and civilisations and families simply because they are not.humman. Everyone goes to hell.

heh I should have recalled him, oh yes they want none of ghosty, that and seeing him run wild on a cruiser would be simply epic.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

And to be fair..it was Batman.

Which is the point I guess. Plot armour wins. But the Hulk has enough vulnerabilities to lose any given fight in 40K IF you want the plot to have it that way. Of course, if you absoluely WANT Hulk to win, his plot armour will make it so. But that is not a feature of Hulk's strength or resiliance or whatever, but, like Batman, a feature of his plot-armour which has thickened considerably ever since Hulk become more and more popular again in his own comic line.


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Deadshot wrote:Then Ghost rider pops on board Cruiser. Looks into everyones souls.Sees corruption and violence. Sees them.destroying Xenos and civilisations and families simply because they are not.humman. Everyone goes to hell.

40K people go to hell all the time just to travel. Most consider it the "quiet time" before the fighting starts.

This is the dumbest conceivable thing. Comic book logic generally boils down to 'because it can', so basically magic. Wolverine regenerates despite the fact that if his marrow is really wholly encased in metal there's no way for the blood to get out to start regenerating and if it is porous enough then it can let heat in and that means you can destroy the marrow, nor can marrow just make blood out of thin air like if you put a femur by itself in a bath tub it just starts filling up with blood. It happens because of magic.
Batman beat the hulk because the hulk wasn't mad enough or something, i guess? The hulk routinely takes cars and mountain smashing blows to the face and can survive in the vacuum of space, because of magic, but batman obviously counter magiced him by being magicier with his judo kick and tear gas. It doesn't matter, none of this matters, there is no reliable sense of scale or reason to base arguments on. Reed Richards beat Magneto with a wooden gun, it's an internet meme. There is no gif to adequately communicate my disappoint.

Hell =/= Warp. I am talking actually hell with Stan and his Demons. Not Daemons, Demons.

And even if it was the warp, he'd dump 'em.there and the Daemons would end them.

You mean that place they can get caught and torn apart in? I doubt many consider it a fun experience.

Actinium wrote:judo kick.

Judo doesn't have kicks. We have throws, armlocks, chokes and strangles. Take your pick. Otherwise you're looking at Kung Fu.

From the look of the kick I would say it's Hung Gar kung fu.

Either way, if he can do that to the hulk, how do you expect a Space Marine to handle it? Space Marines die pretty regularly to an Ork with a Choppa. Batman wouldn't have a problem with them, neither would the Hulk or Wolverine.

I recently read a comic where the Incredible Hulk got his neck broken by another, older version of himself and took a fair time to heal. He was then raped. Point is, he can be incapacitated, and if he can be incapacitated, he can be permanently stopped. Vortex grenades, as suggested, would remove him from the picture entirely. As an aside, whether or not he can pick up Thors hammer depends on the comic. In some he can't. Basically, Marvel is hugely contradictory in the power levels of different beings. Despite what people were saying about various beings simply destroying the Imperial forces instantaneously, the original poster ruled stuff like that out. I'm also unsure if Thor would be on the same power level as the 'gods' of 40K.

m not seeing anything a standard IOM takeover force can do against the hulk.... anything in the air or theground would just make him mad, and thats pretty much the OPPOSITE of how you wanna handle him. (hint it involves your tail, your legs, and running very fast and very hard directly away from hulk)

Couldn't the IOM just teleport his ass into space and let him float there for ever, same with lots of the regular tough guys?

No, because if they could do that sort of thing, why didn't they do it to Ghazkull Thraka when he invaded Armageddon, or the Tyrant of Badab, or Angron during the first War for Armageddon? Or any of the other baddies they constantly have to fight?

well batman just beats everything. because hes batman.

and banner cant be killed.... "put a gun in my mouth, and the other just spat the bullet back out" - from avengers.

and movie characters are generally alot more simple and less powerful then they are intended and shown in the comics.

This thread as grown to sadden me.

The 40k side keeps coming up with stuff that's so far out there in terms of power just to keep up with the Marvel side. From Alpha+, chaos gods, to C'tan, to Mork and Gork. Really? Since when do the Orks participate in IoM invasions?

The stuff the Marvel side is talking about? Magneto, Prof. X, Hulk, Thor? That's daily basis, around all the time.

Come up with something from the IoM, not the 40k universe as a whole, that can handle any of the Marvel heavy hitters.

Magneto can pull your fleet into Jupiter before you even make it to orbit. Xavier can make your entire fleet fire upon itself with but a blink of the eye.

Ground stuff like Hulk, Wolverine, the X-Men. It isn't needed. They won't make planetfall.

And to be fair, that comic of Batman and Hulk is from September of '81. Long before Marvel expanded on Hulk's abilities. If you want to bring that up, let's compare him to the IoM from '81. What's a C'tan? A Lance what?

DarthSpader wrote:well batman just beats everything. because hes batman.

and banner cant be killed.... "put a gun in my mouth, and the other just spat the bullet back out" - from avengers.

and movie characters are generally alot more simple and less powerful then they are intended and shown in the comics.

Never.mind bullets. He jumped out of a helicopter several thousand feet off the ground. Hit the ground, continues through into his.homemade hole. Hulk gets out and shakes his head.

The main reason that Hulk gets beat by so many people is because he is subject to the most severe amounts of Warf Effect I have ever seen. Everytime marvel wants to up someone's power level, or show of the strength of some character, they send it up against The Hulk and make them win, just to make the readers go "Oh sh*t! They beat The Hulk!" So, if this actually all happened, then Hulk would find himself in conflict with some team of deathwing termies or paladins, or a titan of some type, and would be smashed. He would then be found as Bruce Banner, sans clothes, by some other heros. Then him and Reed Richards would develop some duex ex machina syrum to enhance his rage, and he would go in and proceed to wreck unparalled amounts of face. So yeah.

And for all the people that are saying marvel sounds boring with so many gods running about, well, yeah, i agree. That's why i mostly stick to Marvel Ultimate Universe, and the less super-charged marvel characters, like Dare Devil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Black Panther, and other minor heros.

Deadshot wrote:Magneto crushes all armies bar Nids. Hulk kills nids. Thor electricutes Necrons. Iron Man, meh.

If superman was about, game over.

Wow, this thread grew a lot since I started it. Can't read it all now, but let me say something about this one. Sentry. Sentry can do everything Superman can do, plus he has the power of a thousand exploding suns and can manipulate molecules at will. He even disintegrated freaking Molecule Man. Before Planet Hulk, he ACCIDENTALLY broke all of Hulk's bones. Now that he has a lot more control over his powers, he's even more dangerous. And of course, we have POST-Planet Hulk Hulk. The guy who almost destroys the Earth by stomping too hard. And now he is smart. And uses english grammar properly.