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2012/06/08 22:30:05
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
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Then he is an idiot and needs a good punching.
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buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/06/08 22:30:25
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Squigsquasher wrote:Yet god is supposedly omnipotent. If he KNEW it was going to happen, but could not change that, then when Adam and Eve did eat the apple, he should have said "Truth be told it's not your fault, it was going to happen regardless of what I or anyone else did, I'm sorry. Here, have a divine muffin."
The thing is, even if he already knew how it was going to happen, it was still their decision. That doesn't make it not their fault. If you knew someone else was going to do something no matter what anyone else did or what else happened, would that make it any less their fault or any less their decision?
God created them, and their environment, it was never their decision.
2012/06/08 22:34:47
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Kovnik Obama wrote:Indifference makes you responsible, to a point, yes.
In certain cases I agree, but does it ever make you more responsible than the person who actually made the decision, or absolve them from the responsibility of making that decision? I would argue that it doesn't.
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dæl wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Squigsquasher wrote:Yet god is supposedly omnipotent. If he KNEW it was going to happen, but could not change that, then when Adam and Eve did eat the apple, he should have said "Truth be told it's not your fault, it was going to happen regardless of what I or anyone else did, I'm sorry. Here, have a divine muffin."
The thing is, even if he already knew how it was going to happen, it was still their decision. That doesn't make it not their fault. If you knew someone else was going to do something no matter what anyone else did or what else happened, would that make it any less their fault or any less their decision?
God created them, and their environment, it was never their decision.
So you're saying free will doesn't exist?
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Indifference makes you responsible, to a point, yes.
In certain cases I agree, but does it ever make you more responsible than the person who actually made the decision, or absolve them from the responsibility of making that decision? I would argue that it doesn't.
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dæl wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Squigsquasher wrote:Yet god is supposedly omnipotent. If he KNEW it was going to happen, but could not change that, then when Adam and Eve did eat the apple, he should have said "Truth be told it's not your fault, it was going to happen regardless of what I or anyone else did, I'm sorry. Here, have a divine muffin."
The thing is, even if he already knew how it was going to happen, it was still their decision. That doesn't make it not their fault. If you knew someone else was going to do something no matter what anyone else did or what else happened, would that make it any less their fault or any less their decision?
God created them, and their environment, it was never their decision.
So you're saying free will doesn't exist?
jadam and eve was just a metaphor. it never really happened. it was just a made up story from some tribesmen somewhere.
2012/06/08 22:36:33
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
What? No it's not. The proposal that some all-powerful god is responsible for the creation of the universe is totally outlandish. It is the definition of supernatural. .
yet scientists claim that the Big bang came from nothing, which is more outlandish??
Already covered but anyway...
It did not come from nothing, it came from a singularity which mathematics cannot describe, so using the mathematics of astrophysics and cosmology we can trace things back to that point, but not before, because maths cannot describe what was before.
So you see the big bang is based on Maths, an empirically provable discipline, while religion is based on books, that people wrote, full of logical inconsistencies. Therein lies the difference.
So just to be clear:
If I believe that there is this big bang that came from a singularity (which you say is based on Math and at the same time you state cannot be explained by Math) and I cannot explain the reason why stuff was always there but it was, then I am perfectly logical.
If I believe that there is this big bang that came from a singularity (which you say is based on Math and at the same time you state cannot be explained by Math) and i cannot explain the reason why stuff was always there except I think that God had something to do with it, then I am an illogical man who needs 'salvation' from my religious ways?
I believe in physics, I believe in science, I believe in evolution, etc. My only difference is that I think "For all these equations to work, the speed of light must be this or gravity must be that" and I think that these cosmic constants have a certain value because of an outside influence.
If "stuff just always was that way, no reason" makes you a learned man and "stuff just always was that way, God made it that way" makes you an idiot in your eyes (you as in atheists in general not that particular poster), then there is nothing I can do to make you change your mind.
I don't think religion should be used to explain science, and science cannot be used to explain religion. Yet fundamentalist religious groups want to fight science and fundamentalist anti-theist groups want to use science as a weapon against God. To me science is amazing and I believe that it can be used to explain how God created things and how He made the universe happen.
Really, other than the way religious groups have misused God to get their way and to oppress opposing thoughts there is only one major difference between atheists and theists:
Atheists: Everything is the way it is and it just happened by change. Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That is really it. I don't know why there has to be this battle between science and religion except that both sides want to keep it going because they either feel threatened by the other.
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2012/06/08 22:41:03
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Kovnik Obama wrote:Indifference makes you responsible, to a point, yes.
In certain cases I agree, but does it ever make you more responsible than the person who actually made the decision, or absolve them from the responsibility of making that decision? I would argue that it doesn't.
It would if they were mentally handicapped, which is what we would be in relation to God.
Hordini wrote:So you're saying free will doesn't exist?
If an Omniscient deity exists, no, it cant. Because when they created everything they would have seen everything mapped out ahead, thus everything is predetermined, thus no free will.
2012/06/08 22:43:02
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2012/06/08 22:44:42
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Orlanth wrote:Let us use your prefered analogy. Do you deny the existence of golf, do you wish to prevent the practice of golf or wish it went away?
Besides there is no word for a non-Golf players because Golf is not part of our thanatonic experience. People may go through life without wondering if they should play golf. Humans are mortal, we know we are going to die and we question about our fate in a different way to a golf game. One way or another we come to personal conclusions of what our fate is, this is the basis of religious preference.
Its hard to know for sure, the most we get are promises, take them or leave them. Spiritual unsurety is one constant for humanity and for that we make our own conclusions. Those conclusions no matter how you dress them up are a faith choice.
So you're logic is this...
Deciding not to have faith is a choice regarding faith.
Thus it's a faith choice.
Thus, because I put the word faith in there, it means you have faith.
That means you're religious.
It's almost as if, somehow, that doesn't make any sense.
So you're logic is this...
Deciding not to have faith is a choice regarding faith. - You cant decide not to have any form of 'faith' as in a 'chosen belief system'. At some level you have a conclusion, even if it is a temporary one while searching for a sceintific proof or a religious revelation. It doesn't matter, one way or another you choose for now whether or not to believe. You confuse yourself because there are two defintions of faith, one if the presense of a form of belief, the other is a substitute for the word religion, you are using both and assuming I think they are one and the same.
You can reject all "faiths" (religions) and still have made a faith choice (form of belief).
Thus it's a faith choice. - Correct.
Thus, because I put the word faith in there, it means you have faith. - This is where understanding what the word faith means helps. The practice of Faith equals believing in the unseen. With proof there is no need for faith. Do you have proof there is or is no God? You dont, so you end up with an assumption, that is a definitive faith choice.
That means you're religious. - Actually no. Consistently throughout the thread I mentioned that atheism isn't a religion per se, but it should be categorised with others forms of religious preference because atheism is a faith choice and those that follow that faith choice are as susceptible to fundamentalism and extremism as any other.
Hordini wrote:There's also a difference between not believing in God and believing God doesn't exist.
Precious little with regards to making the decision of a faith choice. Both are admittedly different, I don't deny that, but both are unequivocal faith choices.
Kovnik Obama wrote:This. A choice about faith isn't necessary a choice of faith.
Incorrect any choice about faith is a choice of faith because it is made without the presence of proof and relies on a subjective opinion set by the individual.
This is important to understand because extremism is a problem for anyone. Only by understanding that ones own, and everyone elses, view of the universe with regards to religion is based on at least in part a human emotive choice and not pure reason can one shield oneself against the error by which one assumes that ones own solution is definitive. Once people go down that road other faith choices become errors to bypass or remove, by one means or another.
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2012/06/08 22:45:23
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Atheists: Everything is the way it is and it just happened by change.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That is really it. I don't know why there has to be this battle between science and religion except that both sides want to keep it going because they either feel threatened by the other.
No, just the theist side wants to keep it going. Science could care less. Science is not threatened by religion, but certain religions who take the bible way to literally are threatened when science can prove they are wrong.
How genesis really happened
2012/06/08 22:46:00
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Kovnik Obama wrote:Indifference makes you responsible, to a point, yes.
In certain cases I agree, but does it ever make you more responsible than the person who actually made the decision, or absolve them from the responsibility of making that decision? I would argue that it doesn't.
It would if they were mentally handicapped, which is what we would be in relation to God.
Hordini wrote:So you're saying free will doesn't exist?
If an Omniscient deity exists, no, it cant. Because when they created everything they would have seen everything mapped out ahead, thus everything is predetermined, thus no free will.
I don't know if comparing a human's relationship to God to that of a mentally handicapped person in relation to a non-mentally handicapped person is a good comparison. We have the ability to make our own decisions, so if God made us, he made us with that ability. Since Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they also gained the ability to tell the difference between good an evil and decide for themselves.
In another post you said that it was never their decision because God created them and their environment. So is there no free will because everything is predetermined, or no free will because everyone is affected by their environment (which doesn't even require the existence of God)? Or both?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had something to do with it though.
2012/06/08 22:47:42
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
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I'm going to use my godly omniscience and predict this thread is gonna get locked soon.
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buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/06/08 22:48:20
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Kovnik Obama wrote:There's also a difference between not believing in God and believing God doesn't exist.
Precious little with regards to making the decision of a faith choice. Both are admittedly different, I don't deny that, but both are unequivocal faith choices.
Hordini wrote:This. A choice about faith isn't necessary a choice of faith.
Incorrect any choice about faith is a choice of faith because it is made without the presence of proof and relies on a subjective opinion set by the individual.
This is important to understand because extremism is a problem for anyone. Only by understanding that ones own, and everyone elses, view of the universe with regards to religion is based on at least in part a human emotive choice and not pure reason can one shield oneself against the error by which one assumes that ones own solution is definitive. Once people go down that road other faith choices become errors to bypass or remove, by one means or another.
You mixed up the quotes, just to let you know. I'm the one who wrote "There's also a difference between not believing in God and believing God doesn't exist," and I didn't write the other one.
Why, if God is omniscient, and knows all, does evil exist. And the free will argument doesn't work, because He'd know every choice you would make. Therefore God is not good, but both good and evil
This is applying human morals to a being (Which whether you believes exists or not) which transcends human logic and morality so the whole God is good and evil argument is flawed as well
So god is unknowable and so alien we can't discern anything about her or her desires. Well that helps.
You might choose to think so. Many faith groups including Judaic religions claim to have at least a partial understanding of God and his desires. I cannot speak for eastern religions but didnt Buddha and Krishna both claim some form of understanding of God?
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2012/06/08 22:49:01
Subject: Re:Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
@ d-usa, Singularities in Maths are where Maths breaks down, they are when one side of an equation becomes infinity or close to, it just does not compute. They still exist, black holes are singularities for example.
2012/06/08 22:50:53
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:
Atheist: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Rational Theist: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information and we are open to new data and new hypothesis, but no matter what, God had something to do with it though.
Theist: Everything is this way because of god.
Getting closer. Generally speaking, atheists wouldn't think to bring god into it at all.
And of course by God, I think we all know we are referring to Vishnu.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2012/06/08 22:52:18
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
According to Alan Moore, God is a sock puppet.
Which is awesome.
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2012/06/08 22:52:35
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had something to do with it though.
Nope, because organised religion generally already has its rules written down somewhere. They don't get changed until they absolutely have to. See the Copernican model of the universe, or Darwin's Origin of the Species.
2012/06/08 22:52:46
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
2012/06/08 22:53:39
Subject: Re:Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
dæl wrote:@ d-usa, Singularities in Maths are where Maths breaks down, they are when one side of an equation becomes infinity or close to, it just does not compute. They still exist, black holes are singularities for example.
I know they exist and I don't really have a problem with them existing. It will be exciting when we find out though. For me, science is a way to find out how God created the universe. That might make me crazy, but I feel that as our understanding of science grows so does my awe of the complexity that God has created. I don't discard anything science finds, or look at a new finding and think "crap, another nail in the coffin for God".
2012/06/08 22:54:01
Subject: Re:Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Orlanth wrote:Many faith groups including Judaic religions claim to have at least a partial understanding of God and his desires.
Son of Sam had a partial understanding that a dog was telling him to kill people. Doesn't mean a dog actually was.
Buddha and Krishna would possibly use the term godhead*, but really the use of the words would be so different than the context of the discussion that it would really apply.
*Translated
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2012/06/08 22:55:32
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
Oh yes, excellent solution, we just won't bother with all the theists that don't think that way. Does that mean even atheists are capable of ignoring information too?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though. Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
To play your game:
Where is your proof that every single theist pisses on science? -citation needed-
Either you are letting your prejudice of theists cloud your world view or you have definitive proof that there are no theist scientists.
Of course you could just be trolling as well.
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Ahtman wrote:
d-usa wrote: Atheist: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. Rational Theist: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information and we are open to new data and new hypothesis, but no matter what, God had something to do with it though. Theist: Everything is this way because of god.
Getting closer. Generally speaking, atheists wouldn't think to bring god into it at all.
And of course by God, I think we all know we are referring to Vishnu.
I might disagree on Rational Theist though and may prefer if Rational Theist was changed to Theist, and Theist was changed to Irrational Theist.
What would the distinction be between a Rational and Irrational Atheist?
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2012/06/08 23:02:53
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
To play your game:
Where is your proof that every single theist pisses on science? -citation needed-
Either you are letting your prejudice of theists cloud your world view or you have definitive proof that there are no theist scientists.
Of course you could just be trolling as well.
now you want to start talking about proof? Nice. Where is your proof that all atheists belong to a religion? Surely if christians get to tell all atheists what they believe and what religion they are in without proof. I can do likewise to all theists without proof.
but how about some proof that the bible or your religion has been changed over the last 2,000 years to accept new scientific data?
Just because you can accept science, would you mind telling your fellow theists that the earth is not flat, and the earth is over 6,000 years old?
2012/06/08 23:03:22
Subject: Re:Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
Orlanth wrote:Many faith groups including Judaic religions claim to have at least a partial understanding of God and his desires.
Son of Sam had a partial understanding that a dog was telling him to kill people. Doesn't mean a dog actually was.
Not everyone can be right, or mentally healthy. The utterings of isolated lunatics are unfair parallels to place alongside any major world philosophies. Charles Manson had claims on Christianity and atheism both. I wont quote them, there is no point or value to them.
Ahtman wrote:
Buddha and Krishna would possibly use the term godhead*, but really the use of the words would be so different than the context of the discussion that it would really apply.
*Translated
Would you like to link a psycho killers ideologies to these faith groups?
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2012/06/08 23:05:34
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
To play your game:
Where is your proof that every single theist pisses on science? -citation needed-
Either you are letting your prejudice of theists cloud your world view or you have definitive proof that there are no theist scientists.
Of course you could just be trolling as well.
now you want to start talking about proof? Nice. Where is your proof that all atheists belong to a religion? Surely if christians get to tell all atheists what they believe and what religion they are in without proof. I can do likewise to all theists without proof.
but how about some proof that the bible or your religion has been changed over the last 2,000 years to accept new scientific data?
Just because you can accept science, would you mind telling your fellow theists that the earth is not flat, and the earth is over 6,000 years old?
I didn't know all theists think the earth is flat and the earth is only 6000 years old? Unless by theists you mean fundamentalist young earth creationist Christians. Then yes, that particular group does think that and I don't agree with them just as many other theists (Christians and otherwise) don't agree with them.
Last time I read the Bible it was actually pretty silent on scientific data.
2012/06/08 23:07:46
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
d-usa wrote:Atheists: Everything may be this way becuase of something we have studied, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis.
Theists: Everything is the way it is and a deity had a hand in it.
That seems a bit more accurate. Science isn't that absolute and is constantly...evolving.
So it would be this:
Atheists: Everything may be this way because of something we have studies, but we need more information, and we are open to new data and new hypothesis. God had nothing to do with it though.
Theists: Everything may be this way because we refuse to study, but we have no information, and we are not open to new data and new hypothesis. God did it.
Fixed that for you.
To play your game:
Where is your proof that every single theist pisses on science? -citation needed-
Either you are letting your prejudice of theists cloud your world view or you have definitive proof that there are no theist scientists.
Of course you could just be trolling as well.
now you want to start talking about proof? Nice. Where is your proof that all atheists belong to a religion? Surely if christians get to tell all atheists what they believe and what religion they are in without proof. I can do likewise to all theists without proof.
but how about some proof that the bible or your religion has been changed over the last 2,000 years to accept new scientific data?
Just because you can accept science, would you mind telling your fellow theists that the earth is not flat, and the earth is over 6,000 years old?
I didn't know all theists think the earth is flat and the earth is only 6000 years old? Unless by theists you mean fundamentalist young earth creationist Christians. Then yes, that particular group does think that and I don't agree with them just as many other theists (Christians and otherwise) don't agree with them.
Last time I read the Bible it was actually pretty silent on scientific data.
And last I checked christians are still trying to get their bible taught in school, and ensure the theory of evolution does not get taught, and global warming as well
2012/06/08 23:09:07
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
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Ah, a quote pyramid to reach to the heavens and get Gabriel yelling at us to get off his lawn.
Excellent.
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buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/06/08 23:10:00
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
I didn't know all theists think the earth is flat and the earth is only 6000 years old? Unless by theists you mean fundamentalist young earth creationist Christians. Then yes, that particular group does think that and I don't agree with them just as many other theists (Christians and otherwise) don't agree with them.
Last time I read the Bible it was actually pretty silent on scientific data.
And last I checked fundamentalist young earth creationist Christians are still trying to get their bible taught in school, and ensure the theory of evolution does not get taught, and global warming as well
Fixed that for you.
Again, that particular group does not speak for all Christians and certainly does not speak for all theists.
2012/06/08 23:11:10
Subject: Why do people claim that Atheism is a religion?
sirlynchmob wrote: Just because you can accept science, would you mind telling your fellow theists that the earth is not flat, and the earth is over 6,000 years old?
Surely noone actually thought the world was flat, the ancient Greeks knew it was round (and even measured it) otherwise navigation at sea would have been impossible. We get told people thought that at school because it makes the whole Columbus thing a bit more romantic, but its pure BS. If you watch a ship coming over the horizon the mast appears first.
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