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Made in gb
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UK

Well they've done a KS update and have actual prints of the hardsuit to show

(and from the look of it decent ones too rather than fuzzy home 3D printer resolution)



also they say

Now that we have decided on the scale and have the final 3D prints, we just need to have them in hand to approve everything and we can then give the go-ahead to begin mold making.

The core Hardsuit set is the first for production (since the delivery date is February) but we are concurrently working with Bob Naismith on the female Marines, the heavy weapon options, the specialty figures, and the German Mech. As each of those projects move forward, we'll have more updates and more to show.

We have some more news to share in the next few days as well, but until then we'll leave you with a little teaser of something else that's in the works:



oh and they say the backer survays are due as soon as Funderfull does a software update

Am I surprised? yes actually, but a decent bit of progress for the backers

 
   
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California

Hey, maybe this won't turn out to be money thrown away after all! This pleases me. If the final product looks at least as decent as those 3d prints, I might actually even wind up happy with what I get.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/12/06 21:13:25


   
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SoCal

Why are they working on another sculpt? That's got to be costing them more money that they can't afford to spend if they're serious about this kickstarter.


Blargh.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well, they just responded to my concerns.

Hi [REDACTED] - the amount that was owed under the old management to Rust Forge and Proxie was actually very little. Not even 1/10th of the total. So no need to worry about that. We believe we are budgeting everything effectively.
The total focus right now is on the Kickstarter deliverables however we have had a legacy project in the works - our first alien race - and the sculptor is just now getting into it. This is an Edge Force (i.e. not a large set) and something that will follow on once the KS sets are finalized.
As you know we hope to beat the dates we've set and lead time for development can be long so it's important to have work in motion or we'll have a gap down the road that isn't good for the business.
Thanks for your concern - we're doing okay!

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/12/06 22:26:10


   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

 warboss wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Spoiler:


For my money's worth, I'll say this. It looks like the exact same suit, so I don't know if they are just doing this to give us the impression of having a few of them, but it is fishy.


Spoiler:


Sure does look like the same. Same darker patch of ground to the right of the left most grass... same rocks behind each tuft of grass... I guess they just went with what they had planned all along!

It's the exact same model, lol... But as noted, at least the containers in the background of the new pic are now paid for

The 3d prints look good, for what it's worth.
   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why are they working on another sculpt? That's got to be costing them more money that they can't afford to spend if they're serious about this kickstarter.


Blargh.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well, they just responded to my concerns.

Hi [REDACTED] - the amount that was owed under the old management to Rust Forge and Proxie was actually very little. Not even 1/10th of the total. So no need to worry about that. We believe we are budgeting everything effectively.
The total focus right now is on the Kickstarter deliverables however we have had a legacy project in the works - our first alien race - and the sculptor is just now getting into it. This is an Edge Force (i.e. not a large set) and something that will follow on once the KS sets are finalized.
As you know we hope to beat the dates we've set and lead time for development can be long so it's important to have work in motion or we'll have a gap down the road that isn't good for the business.
Thanks for your concern - we're doing okay!


Still keeping up with the whole new management old management charade huh.



 
   
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Incorporating Wet-Blending






Australia

 carlos13th wrote:
Still keeping up with the whole new management old management charade huh.

They're not going to let Snowball off the hook that easily.

I also like how they're working on their third first alien race.

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis 
   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Darn, Alex beat me to it. I was going to say that if this was the first race Edge Force... then those were legged swamp worms... or something wittier. I swear.

If Defiance delivers a quality product on time... will this mean the end of the world as we know it?

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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California

Well, they're sending out pledge managers, so maybe Hell will freeze over. I got mine this morning. I think I may switch one of my hardsuits out for some UAMC Marines. That way I'll be sure to get at least something of decent quality if they actually deliver.

   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

New, new Ceo?

http://defiancegames.com/news/item/welcoming-new-ceo-john-morse-to-defiance-games



 
   
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SoCal



The plot, like my waist, thickens.

   
Made in gb
Dipping With Wood Stain



Welwyn Garden City, Herts

The ´new´ CEO has been working with Tony Reidy since the Wargames Factory days.

   
Made in us
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

A promotion to Red Shirt 1st class! I'm going to assume his first away mission with Captain Tony Kirk will be the next time questions/comments/complaints are raised.

We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus!
 
   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze


The text for those who don't want to click:

WELCOMING NEW CEO JOHN MORSE TO DEFIANCE GAMES

We are pleased to announce that John Morse will become CEO of Defiance Games effective January 1st, 2014.

John has worked with Defiance previously in product development and other areas and has been heavily involved with the company over the last several weeks. He brings with him a variety of experience. In the course of his career he has held positions in client services, business development, new venture creation, and public and media relations for both start-up and Fortune 1000 companies. In 1998 he earned a Masters of Business Administration from the Sloan School at M.I.T.

John’s initial focus will be overseeing the fulfillment of our Kickstarter deliverables followed by the expansion of our product line. Although his official start date is January, John is currently transitioning into his new role and working with the Defiance team on all aspects of the business.

Please join us in welcoming John to Defiance Games!
   
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California

That's fine. Maybe he can get Defiance to actually produce stuff on something resembling a regular schedule.

   
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[MOD]
Not as Good as a Minion






Brisbane

Bets on how long he's 'in charge'?

I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





The Battle Barge Buffet Line

Till the next public fiasco?

We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus!
 
   
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut






Cozy cockpit of an Imperial Knight

Or maybe he has a certain someone's arm jammed up his rectum.



Fatum Iustum Stultorum



Fiat justitia ruat caelum

 
   
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Welwyn Garden City, Herts

Supposedly he has been named earlier as an owner of defiance. Would make sense to step in to protect your property if it's in Tony Reidy' s hands. As the owner of wargames factory proved.

   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can I be CEO next?

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can I be CEO next?


Yes, if you meet two conditions.

1. You are willing to do exactly what Tony says.

2. You are willing to lie to potential customers and suppliers in an attempt to steal their money or goods.

Being an actual legless reptile adds bonus points to your resume but is not required.

Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings. 
   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

I suddenly remembered this from old Francophone comedy:
"Come one, any @$$hole with money can rent a stadium.
*phone rings*
-Stadium?
-I'd like to rent your space.
-Do you have money?
-No, but I'm an @$$hole.
-Sir, it takes both, unfortunately.

I guess it looses a bit in the translation.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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Welwyn Garden City, Herts

Some interesting comments from Ed Fortae on Debacle Games on the Trollforged FB Page:

https://www.facebook.com/trollforgedminiatures

Have a look at the posts on 4th and 5th Jan

   
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Shadeglass Maze

So we don't duplicate discussion, please direct posts about this over to where richred also posted this in the Dakka Discussions thread about Defiance:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/240/558217.page#6413718

And keep this thread for discussion of the Kickstarter / hardsuits... if/when they ever have more developments...
   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

IF

That's a big if.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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SoCal

Honestly, I'm more upset about how Robotech Tactics is going. I put a lot more money in that and didn't hedge my expectations...

   
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IL

I have it on good authority that the prints that were revealed as "just having arrived" have been kicking around at DG for the better part of a year before they even launched their KS campaign. Gotta love false updates like that and the supposedly rescaled print that was dangled in the pics which is the same painted model they had before the KS as well.


Bob, never bank on Palladium, but that's for the other thread

Paulson Games parts are now at:
www.RedDogMinis.com 
   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

It was quite obvious the rescale was nothing of the sort.

The prints picture, however, that is truly disappointing. Not unexpected, however, given who we're dealing with.

Who's the CEO this week?

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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SoCal

Did anyone else get the new Torn Armour update? Defiance Games killed their KS!

Dear Backers,
This is not an easy update to send out, but I have always been open, honest and transparent with you all and recently the Torn World team has had to have some very unpleasant conversations regarding “Torn Armor.”
We have hit a major obstacle here – which I will detail below – and it is only fair to be open and clear on the parties involved. I will simply layout the facts as they have occurred and you can form your own conclusions. What I will say is that ultimately you put your faith and trust in me to ensure that this project was delivered, and in that I have failed you. So while the Torn Armor team has hit unforeseen circumstances and been subjected to unprofessional behavior and broken promises, ultimately I am responsible and please direct your frustrations squarely towards me.
A Recap:
As you will remember, immediately after the Kickstarter ended last year we contacted the China-based companies to finalize our quotes, and were then informed that even though our quotes were less than 90 days old the new production prices, across the board, jumped by 30%. This caused us to seek an alternative production company and during this time one of our backers came forward with a recommendation. This recommendation was given and genuinely provided to help the project, but in hindsight it set us on an unfortunate path.
The company recommended is here in the United State, and this – if anything – I viewed as being beneficial. What I did not know, and honestly had no way of knowing, was that they were about to head into some very troubling times. This company is Defiance Games.
Back in June/July of last year I had my first contact with Defiance and after talking to them for a short while, I felt that it was a good solution and I felt confident that everything was still on track. But the intervening time has been nothing but stalls, delays, staffing shuffles, and sideways movement. They brought on a new CEO shortly after I signed contracts with them, which I found to be alarming, but was told that it was to improve the running of the company. They acknowledged that they had been experiencing turbulent times and the new CEO was to help get things back on track; I was reassured, numerous times and by their upper management that all was on track and schedule.
The team I had recently been introduced to and communicated with soon left and a new team was brought onboard. Again I got to meet them and again I was reassured that the changes were for the best. We were still prepping miniatures for mold production, deadlines and timelines were re-affirmed as being “November,” and while I was uncomfortable with the constant switching of staff, I felt that the wheels were moving and shortly we’d start seeing masters roll off the 3d printers. When this did not happen as promised I started updates regarding delays, later delivery timeframes and so on. I simply need time to sort out what was actually happening and where I might be able to adjust as needed.
Now while I am a patient person and I can be understanding the constant delays and lack of action from Defiance made me think that this was more than a “changing of the guard, or a that new production schedule was being implemented.” I realized there was something seriously wrong.
With our initial deadlines past and the old year ending I put them under great pressure to get things moving. With this pressure we saw the hoplite. He was great and Defiance confirmed that they could work with the model.
I believed we had a light at the end of the tunnel. With constant pressure and micro management on my end I cautiously believed we could get the project on a track towards completion.
It was at this time that Defiance stated that they would not produce any masters until they had finished a batch of models. They then informed us that the file format we had provided them, their choice, wasn’t going to work. This new format was already a replacement of the original format they said wouldn’t work, which again was their choice. Soon after this they started talking about “going back to the models from last October” It was at this time I knew we were going into a downward spiral of excuses and finger pointing.
Ironically their chief responsibility was the creation of a usable, printable, castable 3d miniature models. Early on, they informed me they were unable to work with my artist/modeler and they in turn chose the artist/modeler they wanted to work with. The file format wasn’t going to work!
Clearly we have a serious problem.
Get Another Production Company?
Last Friday I concluded that Defiance was completely unable to fulfill our needs and that I made a mistake in choosing them. Being noble and generous I would say that they truly felt like they could handle it, but the reality of the project – in addition to their own projects – was too much. There may well be other reasons.
I formally asked for our money back less the approved and agreed charges and after a weekend of badgering they told me on Monday that “We do not have the available cash on hand to return these funds at this time” and “We are gearing up here for our own releases to get new product to market and improve our cash flow.”
The Problem
And herein lies the problem: Defiance have not been able to produce the miniatures, but they are also unable to return the funds. And the funds are somewhat substantial.
Currently, we are reviewing all legal options, but I have very little faith that we will simply get this money back.
Torn Armor is effectively dead in the water.
Where Do We Go From Here?
Clearly our options are considerably broadened if Defiance returns our funds: Reaper Miniatures offered to help out, but without these funds allocated to the miniatures being able to fulfill on the miniatures is an impossibility.
The money lost is crippling, but it wasn’t everything and we can put the remaining funds to good use. Currently we are discussing offering partial refunds, creating the game-only tier (rules, maps, cards, units, dice) or simply staying in a holding pattern until there is news where our funds are returned, but this last option could honestly be something that dragged on for years and we are not a fan of that route.
This situation simply sucks.We have put in a lot of our own personal money into this, we created a dream and you – our incredible backers – were the best that anyone could have ever asked for. We all passionately worked together for the Kickstarter and I earned some good friends because of it, so to now be reduced to this a year later is utterly crushing.
I fought off this moment as long as I could, but I would not send out an update like this without firmly believing that we just ran into a brick wall.
Tl:dr
In a nutshell we have been screwed by our supplier and are now not able to fulfill this Kickstarter project. We are discussing all options at the moment, but do consider the miniatures portion of this project dead.
~ Natalya & the Torn World Team

   
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Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Did you also post this in the Dakka Discussion forum?

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
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SoCal

It seemed relevant to both threads. It's a good warning to the community and also sheds light on the behind the scenes shenanigans of this kickstarter.

   
 
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