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Yep, easiest way to get SR on TTar now. Earlier generations involved having to work through an annoying breeding chain.

My only problem is that my Tyrantrum's IVs are pretty awful. It'll be a pretty annoying process to get stealth rock on a set with good IVs.

 Fafnir wrote:
Yep, easiest way to get SR on TTar now. Earlier generations involved having to work through an annoying breeding chain.

My only problem is that my Tyrantrum's IVs are pretty awful. It'll be a pretty annoying process to get stealth rock on a set with good IVs.

I'm pushing my Garchomp breeding project aside for the moment since it involves leveling a Haxorus and will attempt to use the Larvitar you traded me to get one with stealth rock and pursuit and an IV spread of 31/31/31/x/31/31. I'll see how long it takes me.

If you have any decent leftovers, I'd be happy to take one off your hands.

Right now, I'm working on Gligars. Finally managed to get one with Impish nature, but the IVs could be better (max Atk, Sp.D, and Spe, but the defense and HP could be better), so I'm probably going to go all out and just attempt a perfect one.

The funny thing is that, despite being in the 'bug' egg group, Blastoise is still its grandfather... I guess my Blastoise will hump just about anything, really.

Seeing as the Larvitar came from you it seems only right to share the riches

Srock TTar will probably end up my lead. Looks like my team will be TTar up front, a rapid spin Starmie, Bulky Scizor, Gengar, Choice Garchomp, and bringing up the end game wrecking ball Volanora.

You might run into trouble against Belly Drum Azumarill (seriously, feth that guy).

I'm hoping Gengar packs enough punch behind his Sludge Bomb to kill it. At the very least he should be able to dent it enough for Scizor to swing in in and mop it up. Starmie will also pack thunderbolt so I'm hoping I have enough coverage on the mon Azumaril won't get criticals on to take it out of the game.

Aqua jet means that he'll go in before all of them (unless they have their own priority move), and with life orb, it'll guarantee a OHKO against every member of your team with the exception of starmie, who is OHKO'd 43.75% of the time.

Scizor can kill it after a bellydrum with bullet punch, assuming he has a choice band, but if Azumarill invests enough into speed (124 EVs, assuming adamant nature), a bulky build won't be able to stop him.

Granted, it needs a turn to switch in for bellydrum, but it only needs to get in once, and a pokemon like choice Garchomp makes it a really easy switch.

 Fafnir wrote:
Aqua jet means that he'll go in before all of them (unless they have their own priority move), and with life orb, it'll guarantee a OHKO against every member of your team with the exception of starmie, who is OHKO'd 43.75% of the time.

Scizor can kill it after a bellydrum with bullet punch, assuming he has a choice band, but if Azumarill invests enough into speed (124 EVs, assuming adamant nature), a bulky build won't be able to stop him.

Granted, it needs a turn to switch in for bellydrum, but it only needs to get in once, and a pokemon like choice Garchomp makes it a really easy switch.

Hmmm. Could swap Starmie for Tentacruel and replace Volcanora with something more versatile to make up for it. Could also dump the choice on Chomp, give him a dragon plate or something, and send him in with a nasty surprise (Poison Jab).

See, the nice thing about this gen is that it brings back a lot of options that gen 5 kind of killed off, and a bunch of new ones to boot.

The bad thing is that some of these new options are absolutely terrifying.

My original intention was to have CB Dragonite with extremespeed on standby to hit him the moment he came in. With stealth rock support, that's a guaranteed kill after a belly drum. But it looks like that won't be the case, since extreemspeed on Dragonite requires HG/SS. Earthquake will also net the kill, but it also means suffering around 66-78% damage from Aqua jet in the process, effectively crippling Dragonite. Granted, multiscale cuts the damage in half, but that requires Dragonite to be at full health, which is difficult to guarantee at such a clutch moment.

I have one of those Dratini on HG at the moment if that is any help. Untrained and Unused as far as I know. Granted, you can't get him over to the new games until Pokémon Bank opens in december, but she's there if needed.

31/31/31/x/31/31 Impish Immunity Gligar is now completed. Now to worry about EV training and evolving the damn thing.

 Fafnir wrote:
My original intention was to have CB Dragonite with extremespeed on standby to hit him the moment he came in. With stealth rock support, that's a guaranteed kill after a belly drum. But it looks like that won't be the case, since extreemspeed on Dragonite requires HG/SS. Earthquake will also net the kill, but it also means suffering around 66-78% damage from Aqua jet in the process, effectively crippling Dragonite. Granted, multiscale cuts the damage in half, but that requires Dragonite to be at full health, which is difficult to guarantee at such a clutch moment.

Speaking of extreme speed, what about Arcanine? He's more than fast enough and hits hard.

Funny you say that, since I actually have one bred and ready to go for UU play.

The problem with Arcanine is twofold. First of all, he requires a choiceband to ensure the kill with extremespeed after a bellydrum, and even then, you need stealth rock up to finish the job against the bulkier builds, which a team running BD Azumarill would likely be aware of, and do its best to prevent. The problem here is that Arcanine relies on its wide coverage in its movepool to get its job done. It can't rely on constantly switching in and out like a normal CB user, since his fire typing means stealth rock will crush him.

The other problem facing Arcanine is its speed. It's enough to beat Azumarill, yes, but against other OU threats, it just doesn't really stand up. 95 base speed can handle a lot of UU, but against what would threaten it in OU, it just leaves him far too vulnerable.

He can beat BD Azumaril, but it causes Arcanine to lose too much utility to do it, and he can't really bring enough to the table to justify it either. What's more, if you predict wrong, and it's not BD Azumarill, Arcanine is going to die the most horrible of horrible deaths.

Scizor might still be the best shot but I'd need to invest in speed and attack.

What about an Assault Vest Scizor? He can maintain the bulk of a Scizor with SpDef EV's freeing those EV's to go into speed instead. Mega Scizor might work to but I don't know the hard numbers behind his defensive stat boosts.

AV scizor won't be able to OHKO with a bullet punch, even after a belly drum (keep in mind, even after the BD, Azumarill is still crazy bulky, and that water/fairy typing neutralizes the potentially lethal steel weakness). And BD Azumarill will most certainly kill him. It's the choice band that seals the deal.


Granted, it's not all bad. Belly Drum takes time to set up. So long as you can keep up consistent offensive pressure, Azumarill shouldn't be able to safely switch in. On the downside, the moment you see that the enemy has an Azumarill, Garchomp and Volcarona simply won't be able to enter play until it's dealt with, since they both can give it a free setup.

I don't know Pokemath, but a full Attack EV on Garchomp with Poison Jab, any idea what that would do? I imagine Azu would love to switch in on a dragon making it a good set up.

You're looking to deal 80-94% off of the one hit with CB. Even without it, you're looking at 52-64%. Assuming your opponent takes the lure and doesn't try to scout it, Azumarill is crippled. But you can't switch in on it, since Aqua Jet will still OHKO you after the BD.

Yeah but looking at it once Azumarill gets going I can't think of a way to stop it. Scald of Tentacruel if I'm lucky might neuter it a little but that's 30% chance.

Yep. It's looking like the best option here is to simply make sure it never gets the chance to set up in the first place. That means that we'll be walking on eggshells the moment one shows up in team preview, but it's better to be overcautious than dead. Just make sure that as soon as you see Azumarill on the enemy team, you always have something out that will be able to take it out/shut it down when it comes in. Your opponent will likely be looking for any opportunity to get a safe switch in, so your job is to make sure that safe switches don't happen, under any circumstance and for any reason.

Haxorus 2.0 but scarier and harder to counter.

And at least 30% cuter I guess.

 doc1234 wrote:
And at least 30% cuter I guess.

Eeeehhhhh mabye 50%.

 LordofHats wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
And at least 30% cuter I guess.

Eeeehhhhh mabye 50%.

Either way it's the difference between getting mauled to death by a puppy vs a rotting bear.

 LordofHats wrote:

 DA's Forever wrote:
Brandon, same as my DS, Im not very imaginative...

Rgr I might be on in a bit I assume you're looking for Scyther? Do you have the Iron Coat yet? (can't remember where its found)

Yeah a Scyther, Unfortunately I haven't found that yet as I had a change of heart and wanted a Squirtle instead of a charmander. So I restarted... I always do this...

I've finished breeding my 31/31/31/x/31/31 Dragonites (one male and one female, excellent!) with marvel scale, and have plenty of extras with 4-5 perfect IVs (the adamants all have 4 perfect IVs, and the other natures vary between 4 and 5).

If anybody wants one, they can have one.

Oof, I learned a quick lesson on battling online: Always have someone that can mega-evolve in your party >.>

Also, I can't wait for my Alakazam and Gyarados to get their stones to mega-evolve.

Also, Fafnir, do you have any Larvitars? Doesn't need to be perfect or anything...I just love those guys! Ha. Also, I was looking to trade for a Houndour if anyone has one.

I got it!

Remind me where to find my friend code and I'll post it up. I picked Chespin as my starter and now have a main team of four, including an Azurill named Dovakiin.

 4oursword wrote:
I got it!

Remind me where to find my friend code and I'll post it up. I picked Chespin as my starter and now have a main team of four, including an Azurill named Dovakiin.

DS main menu. click the smiley face at the top, its the code on your card thing

Aha, thanks!

My friend code is 1805-2711-3775.

 mega_bassist wrote:

Also, Fafnir, do you have any Larvitars? Doesn't need to be perfect or anything...I just love those guys! Ha. Also, I was looking to trade for a Houndour if anyone has one.

Plenty. My in-game name is Mute, so just request a trade if you see me in game, and I'll give you one.