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I find it funny how you get used to painting say an Ork and itll look good and obvious confidence in painting. Then you change it up to something you're not used to and then suddenly you have no clue how to paint its off to a pretty good start in my book Damo

Nerdfest does Eldar! Awesome Fire Dragon's looking really nice, and the grav-tanks' shaping up nicely

I've got around the whole 'eldar paint differently to other dudes' thing by just painting my eldar like I paint everyone else gritty and battle-worn is less of a stylistic choice than unadventurousness

I need to talk, I need some wisdom and i'm going to speak frankly about what i'm feeling. I love the hobby and have done for about 22 years collecting various armies and learning to paint along the way which i've loved, but something has been bothering me more and more lately. Why? Why do I collect an army here and then sell it at a huge loss soon after? the answer I believe is hidden in my subconscious, I'm not a stupid person and I have an exceptionally quick mind but since school age i've had a mental block with mathematics and book learning which put to rest a few career paths I wanted to follow but shied away due to the level of study and essay writing I was afraid of even though I knew I would excel at professions I had a strong interest in such as Psychology and Nursing.

What has that got to do with 40K? plenty, but first I need to veer slightly into the hobby for a second. Why do I love the 40K world? it's the escapism and the cinematic feeling I get from the hugely descriptive and fleshed out models and history, when I paint a model or begin collecting a force it's because I can 'see' it working on the battlefield, I can 'see' the sternguard throwing themselves against a concrete wall and see the dust settle on their pauldrons while they slam a new clip into the boltguns their lenses scanning the area for new targets while a mighty Dreadnought impervious to incoming fire strides towards the enemy. This is what I see and feel when I'm painting and this is what I want to replicate when I play (as little as that may be) I get excited about the models and squads and how they operate.............Until my excitement crashes down to depressing levels as soon as I start trying to learn how to play them or even learn the rules again.

Last night I wanted to get more of a feel for the Eldar I'm starting, So I went researching and very quickly became overcome with the fact I didn't really understand the fine points and that i'd been there many times before and felt the same thing, I didn't know how to differentiate the weapons and had no idea what the statements on each were telling me, I didn't have the foggiest idea what a 2+3++ is and even how to attempt the equation? my mind fogged over when discussing modifiers and many other essential aspects of the squads and how to use them to your advantage, I read the blurb about the Wraithseer and how they can be great at HQ hunting and very strong, and then I started to read how and I felt stupid, frankly stupid for not understanding what was written, I've got the rules and have done every edition since 4th and I still look at the numbers and feel sick I can't see how they work. I know how I want them to work and I know the models strengths and weaknesses but that doesn't help me, I may as well be putting them on the table and making pew pew noises while I smack them together.

And now back to 40K, I get so disheartened when I realise I am not going to enjoy the one aspect of the hobby I WANT to be able to do and enjoy, which just happens to be the cornerstone of what the whole thing is about!! I had the Eldar idea in my head of a beautifully painted Saim-Hann army skimming across the battlefield pattering shuriken off Marines while Wraith constructs took care of the heavier models and the Warlocks sent Psychic death forward into the fray. But that's not going to happen because I am literally so caught up in the fact I'm bad at mathematics and can't fathom how the game works so much so I bounce from army to army in what I believe is a way to put off the inevitable that I can't play, Dark Eldar, Marines, Howling Griffons, Blood Angels, Necrons, Marines Exemplar, Space Wolves, Salamanders...... all begun but never finished. am I sabotaging my own enjoyment? am I really out of my depth? should I stick to less academic pastimes? or is there a simple way I can help learn the fundamentals and enjoy both my Minotaurs army and continue with the Eldar?

Sorry to be so candid and depressing guys, I just want to enjoy every facet.

I feel your pain.
I am terrible at maths (I'm an English teacher) and have definitely uesd the hobby to escape from some pretty dark places in my life - equally, however, 40k got me into a lot of debt and nearly wrecked my marriage. I am a very competitive gamer and like to get my head round factions quickly. This combines to make me (a) not a very good 40k player (b) not a particularly pleasant 40k player (c) an army-hopping 40k player.
Some advice, make of it what you will:
(1) Paint what you love. Honestly, paint stuff you like.
....
but...
(2) Try other games.
There's a plethora of games that suit a wide variety of styles. I'm not a fan of number crunching, but some games really work for me - Batman/DCU and Walking Dead. Funnily enough, I love X-Wing, although I'm pretty rubbish at it. I enjoyed the challenge of painting tiny spesssheeps; I love star wars, so I went with that. Then, well, I love DC. So that forced me to raise my game with Batman and DCU. I'm not saying I'm not a fan of the grimdarkiverse - I am - but I just don't think it's me, somehow. Weirdly, skirmishy 40k - munda, killteam - I quite like.
Sorry if I'm rambling. I suppose what I'm saying is, I get where you're coming from, so my advice is, explore other options. See what other folk near(ish) you are playing, see what you like, and don't get too strung out on it.
And, y'know, fly casual

A lot of the mathhammer and number crunching only affects the top level of play. Sure, it can impact the casual play, but it’s a lot less relevant. You can do the math and figure out which is more efficient at popping T7 3+ save tanks, Fire Dragons or Wraithguard. Get information about wounds caused per point spent using normal assumptions. But when either squad disembarks from the serpent, that rhino is going to explode. One might just do it for less points. While one might be more efficient, they are both effective. And at the end of the day, the mood of your dice will have more of an impact then if you wasted 20 points on the sub-optimal (but cool looking) anti-tank option.

It sounds like you want to play a more causal, narrative style of game. Nothing wrong with that. 40k has always been easy to break. But if you find people who what to play on the same level that you do, it’s a lot of fun. But of you try fielding a fluffy list against a tournament caliber one, nobody is going to enjoy themselves.

Find a like minded group, and ignore the internet pundits. You can identify by them by the extremes. Something is either good, or garbage. Truth is, every unit has a use, and can be situationally useful at worst.

Keep doing the excellent job painting, and play what you like. The game is a lot more then just math.

I totally see what you're saying, I think it's possibly something made even worse by the disconnect between the fluff and the rules; you want your heroic Marines to be literal gods of war, striding across the battlefield impervious to all but the biggest guns and scything through enemies... then you put them down on the table and a few Lasgun salvos later, half your Battle Company is down...

I think the players have a big impact though; if you can find a/some player/s that a) have a good working knowledge of the rules and b) aren't going for a highly optimised or effective playstyle, you might find you get on better yourself. They can guide you through the rules (almost like a GM in an RPG, you can just roll the dice they tell you to a certain extent and don't really need to understand why/where those numbers are coming from) and if their army and playstyle is also one built around a narrative rather than the rules themselves, you have a lot more freedom. Suddenly, you don't need to think about what the optimum position for those Sternguard is, you can throw them where you think they 'belong' and almost play in character as the army.

I used to do this all the time with Guard; there would be times where it was almost essential that my infantry run for cover, but they'll stay ranked in the open, firing in ranks and holding the line because that was the ethos that Regiment was built around. Their Commissar would lead a charge into a mob of Orks because it was better to die for the Emperor than live for yourself. My tank commander would take extreme range shots at enemy armour rather than trying to snipe HQs or elite troops, because every tank he knocked out was a point of pride for him and his crew. It was a dreadful army on paper, but oh-so-fun to play and I was fortunate enough to have a casual enough group that I wasn't shooting myself in the foot by playing like that (I still won at least half the games with that army, and almost every game would create a cool little story for a squad or character).


Another option is to look into other ways of learning. Regardless of the game, I've always found that watching someone play gets things across far clearer than reading the books, even when those players aren't explaining their every roll. I learned to run D&D through various Youtube/Twitch shows, and only consulted the weighty rulebooks when I needed to clarify, for example, the exact way falling damage worked, or how much a Longsword would cost a player looking to buy one from the local blacksmith. So maybe set some time aside and check out some battle reports on Youtube, there's a lot of mediocre ones but also plenty with very respectable levels of presentation that might be a bit easier to learn from; rather than reading that a unit has a 2+ Armour Save/3+ Invulnerable Save, you can see a unit that has that and look at how those stats make it perform on the tabletop. There are probably also plenty of series that are just tutorials on how to play, I think Warhammer TV may even have their own for 40k 8th.


Alternatively, as Graven mentioned, maybe check out some other games. Kill Team is coming back for 40k soon with its own rules, and there you can focus on just a few models rather than having to concentrate on running an army's worth of units. Build up a really nice customised squad, personalise the characters, write their backstories and play them in line with that narrative. Maybe you build a Deathwatch Kill Team, and the Space Wolf always charges towards the biggest thing on the field, no matter how stupid that might be. Treat the rules as a framework for telling those stories, rather than an all-out contest of skill.

Finally, it's entirely possible that gaming isn't for you. I haven't played 40k in a few years now, and while at the first I missed it (it was basically a product of moving away from my gaming group for university), it's expanded my painting horizons massively. I've painted stuff for armies I never had any interest in playing, I've felt free to convert stuff that has absolutely no analogue in the rules but just looks damn cool, and my main concern has shifted from 'will this Plasma Gun explode my Tactical Marine on the table' to 'if I put a Plasma Gun on this Marine, I can make it look really cool'. Gaming may be at the core of this hobby, but it's perfectly possible to enjoy the models, the lore, the setting, the painting without ever rolling a dice.

So yeah, that's a very long-winded way of suggesting that you find some local players, have a chat with them about how they like to play and see if it lines up with how you want to do things; if they do, great, you can start playing with people on the same page as you, willing to help out with the rules and get you over that initial hurdle. If not, then you can keep looking, and in the mean time, maybe try some other games, keep reading the novels and lore in the rulebooks and most importantly, keep on painting beautiful models because as and when you do get them on the tabletop, they're going to blow your opponent away! I'm sure there are plenty of gamers out there who would happily coach you through every step of a game if it meant you got to get those armies down on an awesome table and create an amazing visual spectacle!

Apologies for rambling, hope some of it's useful, and best of luck with whatever route you take from here!

These guys have already given you lots of great feedback, so I won't repeat what they said just that I agree. I will add that I believe the person you normally play against isn't the kind of player you should be playing. From what I've seen he brings highly optimized lists and plays very competitively. Maybe next time you play him, ask if you can play a "highlander" list, where no unit can be repeated on the list. It is kind of a forced casualness, but maybe it would help him get in the same mindset you are in. Or maybe move to America and we will play some dumb casual games.

First and foremost I think you shouldn't feel bad in any way for creating these awesome armies you do and then selling them on for a loss, unless it's significantly affecting your financial stability.

I'm a creator myself. I just like making things. For me, a life well spent is one where you can look back on your life and say with confidence 'this list of awesome things would not exist if I hadn't have made them, and the world is richer because of it'.

Might sound a bit grand for little plastic soldiers, but the world is definitely richer for your work being in it whether you own it or not, it's out there.

On the gaming front, I'd suggest Necromunda/Inquisimunda if you can find a place to play it. Subjective, but I get the impression it attracts a different crowd more interested in enjoyment than winning, and the scaled-down nature of it means that there's less of a sheer volume of numbers to wrap your head around. Plus, you could really flex your creative muscles making little low-scale high-quality warbands

I have the same problem, with a twist of lemon:

I want the narrative. I started playing 40K when it WAS a roleplaying game, and that's coloured my perception ever since.

I've fighting my depression, and am only just now getting 'back' into building and modeling. And, regretfully, I KNOW the only way I'm going to get to play 40K is if _I_ do the work to find and attract like-minded people. Hopefully, I can build up a new stable of gaming comrades who want to see their skimmers zoom across the table, and are willing to play narrative or even open style with me.

It isn't easy. Here in America, it is heavily biased toward WAAC/Tournament play. Part of the reason I get so depressed.

Going to the UK last June, oddly, didn't help. It made things worse, because I saw people playing the way I want to play, and there were Warhammer clubs all over the place. Something we simply don't have here in the US.

So, to sum up:

What you're feeling is quite normal, happens to a lot of us, and you're quite brave to share. Thank you.

Whatever I can do to help, even if it's just someone to talk to, my phone/skype/webcam is always available.

--Brian

Nerdfest, firstly what I'd like to say is that you're just the kind of hobbyist who I aspire to be! Everything you do is interesting and beautiful, and your Saim-Hann are no different. What you have achieved in this hobby is something that not many people can say, and you should be extremely proud of all the work you have done.

I can't offer much on what has already been said, but here goes:

1). The background + painting and modelling side of the hobby is exactly the reason that I LOVE and want to participate in 40k, too. It is an immersive universe that you can get completely lost in, and that is a brilliant thing.

2). I have sold things, too. Most notably a Space Marine Battle Company that I has spent years collecting, cleaning and prepping. I sold them for a stupid price because I felt that I just couldn't do it, I couldn't paint them. It was a rash decision that I massively regret. In the long run, however, it has made me much stronger, as I focus on completing the task at hand before moving on to the next thing.

3). The Tyranid army that I'm working on is so that I can eventually get playing Warhammer again. I was still at school the last time I played 40k! Winning does not interest me at all, and I hope to eventually find like-minded people to play with.

4). I've discovered that some of my colleagues play 40k, too. However, all of them were into competitive playing, and they would tell me about rules and such, and about what units were best, etc. This is what interested them most - and that's fine - but certainly not why I collect and paint Warhammer.

To summarise:

You are exactly the kind of person that GW wants in the hobby. I would love more than anything to play a game against a person like yourself, even if we were to just spend the time working out rules and such. Just the pure spectacle of your units on the tabletop would be all I could ask for!

Yes, there are other games, and perhaps Killteam would be a good way of easing yourself into bigger games of 40k. (Probably for me, too!) I know that I'm not in this hobby for "winning", but purely for the experience.

TL;DR:

KEEP BEING AWESOME!

Been in this game a long time, and I definitely know how you feel, except to say, that was me years ago. This hobby has so much to it other than a table top game, this aint Monopoly, or Chess. This is Warhammer, the greatest hobby in the world.

You already have the advise from truly great guys above, but I feel I need to say something here. (I know this is nothing in comparison to the IRL military) We few are brothers in arms. We do this because we love it. Not because we can make money, not because it gets us connected to people for some networking, and not because we enjoy painting 100 bolters the same bloody colour. We love it, with all it's warts and bad manners.

Many years ago, I met a lad who played Epic, at the time I was well into it, we talked about it a lot, he was so enthusiastic. Eventually we set up a game at my house, he was a spotty teenager living at home with M&D. I set up my big table a full 8x4 with all the terrain and got out my Ork army.

I was a bit embarrassed, as the paint job was a bit scratchy and not complete, but we did not care about that it was all about the fun. So he arrives and we yak, and he starts getting his army out, a Space Marine Force to rival mine, except it wasn't it was Lego blocks and bits of card cut to base size but with just the unit details written on it. Now if I was a stuffy nosed idiot I could have blown it out then and there, but I have never been that guy, I just had a bloody good look at what he had so I could recognise it on the tabletop, and we got on with it. We played a fantastic narrative game, loose rules, house rules, he ended up staying over for the weekend it took that long to play the game. It was one of the greatest games I have ever had. Now it turns out he had never played anyone else before, he played against himself, proxying different armies, using his bed as a battlefield, for years, could not afford any models but had the rule books etc. He just loved the game, the background the story. Needless to say we played regularly after that for over 7 years, he was a truly epic friend.

I have not played a game since 2003, I have spent thousands of pounds on this hobby since, at one point I actually sold everything I had, I managed to live a whole 13 1/2 months without Warhammer. But it draws you back, and you need it, not like a drug, but like food or air or sleep, it is necessary. A couple years ago I discovered Dakka, and made some of the best friends I have ever had in this life, you included. And a couple years ago I decided that this was going to be my only hobby, you see I am poor, not begging on the streets poor, but can't afford a takeaway poor, a chinese takeaway is a luxury, we have no carpets in this house, been here 3 years. Mind you the kids have Xboxes and I have my hobby, but I am dedicated to it, you see I realised this is my passion, I can manage quite happily with a cereal box and some white glue, or some Lego blocks and some scraps of paper, and a bed for a battlefield.

Nowadays I do not even model for the game anymore, I build models I want to build, how I want to build. I live vicariously through you guys, I even get to see some of my silly creations on the table top because I am honoured to say you guys have accepted my junk into your passion.

You will find that guy/girl to play with, you will get your head around the rules, honestly. You will also spend a small fortune more on this lot and sell it for a loss (hey I give my stuff away, no bugger would buy it!), but you will always be here with us nutters, this is your passion, your love. I have to tell you bud, you are an artist, truly. Now you have to accept that, let it take you wherever it will, ride along and let it ebb and flow, but accept it is the most important thing here. When people ask me "What am I?" I do not say home delivery driver, manager, carpenter, I say I am a Modeller. So are you.

So chin up kid, accept your fate, and step bravely forward. Trust me you will enjoy this!

P.S. I have no clue what the heck 2+3++ means, I don't have a clue about any rules now, scares the hell out of me just thinking about playing a game.

Ayup Nerdy ! Firstly you are Truely a painter of demonic strength, so you MUST continue to paint what we all love.

Second, the game, it really genuinely isn't a simple game , I very seldom play, I just paint stuff for little H or something I want to, and frankly if I do play Little H has to tell me what to do.

Little H used to struggle with playing because he wouldn't remember when a certain thing was supposed to happen or a strength a unit had, so we made an army sheet breaking down each unit , it's save and special ability etc etc, essentially pulling all the waffle from the books and simplified it to a couple of A4 sheets that applied to his army. I had to type it up of course and make it look nice but I left room so he could make his own notes too.
it seems to work for him as he plays better when he takes the sheets than when he doesn't !

Perhaps something like that would help ?

 Camkierhi wrote:


Many years ago, I met a lad who played Epic, at the time I was well into it, we talked about it a lot, he was so enthusiastic. Eventually we set up a game at my house, he was a spotty teenager living at home with M&D. I set up my big table a full 8x4 with all the terrain and got out my Ork army.

Spoiler:

I was a bit embarrassed, as the paint job was a bit scratchy and not complete, but we did not care about that it was all about the fun. So he arrives and we yak, and he starts getting his army out, a Space Marine Force to rival mine, except it wasn't it was Lego blocks and bits of card cut to base size but with just the unit details written on it. Now if I was a stuffy nosed idiot I could have blown it out then and there, but I have never been that guy, I just had a bloody good look at what he had so I could recognise it on the tabletop, and we got on with it. We played a fantastic narrative game, loose rules, house rules, he ended up staying over for the weekend it took that long to play the game. It was one of the greatest games I have ever had. Now it turns out he had never played anyone else before, he played against himself, proxying different armies, using his bed as a battlefield, for years, could not afford any models but had the rule books etc. He just loved the game, the background the story. Needless to say we played regularly after that for over 7 years, he was a truly epic friend.

Not to hijack Nerdy's thread, but I love this story. Takes me back to the days when there was no way in hell I could afford an army for War of the Ring, so I printed hundreds of pics of models, stuck them to cardboard unit 'bases', used Plasticine blobs as wound markers and would fill the floor of a room with a massive 2D battle that would take days to finish, which most of the time I would then play out against myself (and, I admit, usually making sure the Good Guys won! ).

It just goes to show that this a hobby that can be enjoyed in as many ways as there are people participating in it, which is glorious and inspiring.

Thanks guys, I sincerely appreciate all the advice and confidence you have taken the time to give me and the time you took to read and understand my emotional ramblings I feel very grateful to have friends like you all, all over the globe but still there for a guy you've never met in person but you can feel connected to because the hobby instills the same feelings and aspirations across the globe. I think I need to start again honestly and succinctly without trying to adhere to an imagined timeline and trying to do things fast so I can play.

I started the Minotaurs army because it was fast to paint for me and could give me an army to actually play with quickly, yet I have more than enough for an army and I keep feeling like I need to buy more and that in itself puts me back again as I won't play with an unfinished army But I am going to play with this army and then I'm going to embrace the paint and the hobby and do the marine army I've wanted to do but literally gave away when I started it but it's going to need your help and guidance and encouragement but god dammit they'll look fricking amazing on that table when they eventually get there!! and they WILL get there, it's the journey not the destination (even though the destination will be great) I will have a nice Howling Griffons force and I know it's counter intuitive but I will have to sell my Minotaurs to fund my goal and do what Damo's do best, and that's paint a whole force at once!

My Eldar 'army' will be used firstly as my Armies on Parade entry for the year and then I'll see how it holds up as an army, they have so many great models I want to paint and convert and they're all so different I will be able to paint without getting bogged down in sameness! Wraithlords, Avatar, Jetbikes, Striking Scorpions, Harlequins it will be a great visual feast for myself and I hope you'll enjoy it as well, you all deserve something cool to look forward to seeing. especially as you are so encouraging and make me feel like I am actually a part of something greater than my Nerd room.

I finished my first Wave serpent so lets see what you think!











Thank you guys, everything you said and your own honesty is more than I could have asked for, love you guys and i'm glad you're all here.

That looks amazing. What will you do with the canopy?

Thanks Brian, I'm not sure actually I never thought about doing anything with it other than sticking it on! :-) I was kinda too focused on how the rest of it looked! i'd also like to thank you for your kind words and offer of a chat if I need it, that's something I appreciate it means a lot and you never know you might get a PM one day :-)

That is truly stunning bud. So rich and beautiful, really inspirational work.

Got to add, really love that you kept it simple. Hang on a sec. I know. Just hear me out. Every time I see a waveserpant these days, it is super OTT, flashy with a million colours and galaxies and beyond belief details. Now don't get me wrong, they are fantastic and spectacular. But you have kept it simple. Craftworld colour scheme. Red. Few details here and there. Your red is simply breathtakingly beautiful. Has so much depth and richness. Truly magnificent. But it stands out even more because you did not crowd it. Hope that makes sense.

 Camkierhi wrote:
That is truly stunning bud. So rich and beautiful, really inspirational work.

Got to add, really love that you kept it simple. Hang on a sec. I know. Just hear me out. Every time I see a waveserpant these days, it is super OTT, flashy with a million colours and galaxies and beyond belief details. Now don't get me wrong, they are fantastic and spectacular. But you have kept it simple. Craftworld colour scheme. Red. Few details here and there. Your red is simply breathtakingly beautiful. Has so much depth and richness. Truly magnificent. But it stands out even more because you did not crowd it. Hope that makes sense.

SO. MUCH. THIS.

I mean, they're gorgeous and great work, and yay. But, uh, which Craftworld is the purple galaxy with yellow stars, and which one is the blue galaxy with red and white nebula?

(I'm old, I know.)

--B.

looks good damo.

Good job. Nice red-ness.

For the canopy, maybe do the frame in black to match the black touches on the rest of the model.

I can't really offer much help with the gameplay woes, I've never played a game. But consider creating or finding a cheat-sheet for the mathematical bits you have trouble with, then you'll only need to do the maths once (or not at all if you find one online) and then it's just a quick look for when you need it. In time you'll become familiar with the patterns (an x for this and a y for that, means a z for this action). Do it enough and you may find you'll be looking at the sheet less and less.

Chin up. Keep painting. and shun anyone that give you gak for not knowing the game as well as they do. Don't let it stress you out and have fun (that's an order... ).

 Dr H wrote:
Good job. Nice red-ness.

For the canopy, maybe do the frame in black to match the black touches on the rest of the model.

I can't really offer much help with the gameplay woes, I've never played a game. But consider creating or finding a cheat-sheet for the mathematical bits you have trouble with, then you'll only need to do the maths once (or not at all if you find one online) and then it's just a quick look for when you need it. In time you'll become familiar with the patterns (an x for this and a y for that, means a z for this action). Do it enough and you may find you'll be looking at the sheet less and less.

Chin up. Keep painting. and shun anyone that give you gak for not knowing the game as well as they do. Don't let it stress you out and have fun (that's an order... ).

Doctors orders !?!

I honestly don't know how I did it so no point asking but somehow I managed to get 5 Custodes and 6 Allarus Terminators in 6 days and still did a 43 hour work week! totally wonderful models and dare I say they hark back to simpler yet more impressive times they're not covered in details that don't tie in with them and they don't have horrible sculpted smoke anywhere Whoooo!

I wanted to try and get a deeper gold on these guys kind of like the older pictures of them in artworks so I shaded with black in areas to make the models more exciting to look at without being 'just' gold. I really like them but wish I had taken better pics of all of them I did a re shoot twice but my eyes and that camera aren't playing ball! so I picked enough to give you an idea of how they look! i'm looking forward to 6 Custodes bikes.......

Nice stuff brother!

To your comments above, I think a lot of us think of the 'hobby' as one of 2 facets, players and painters. There is a third option though, and most people don't think of it as something as legitimate as the first two in terms of being a 'real way to enjoy the hobby'.

The third outlet to enjoy the hobby is planning/collecting. I think a lot of us don't have the time or energy to finish all the projects we start. But there is a rush to planning out an army or a game, researching, finding all the perfect bits and kits, and ordering it all up. Sometimes I get stuff done, others I don't, but there is an adventure and thrill to be had just scheming and searching...

Great work nerdfest! As always, such rich colours. Love the Aquila standard on that custode

I like these because they're SIMPLE. Not simplistic or basic, but simple. A clear paint scheme, well-thought and executed.

Bravo!

Nice work Nerdy, they look fantastic ! Is this perhaps the army to get your mojo back ?

Lovely work Damo. Very dynamic.

Thanks guys, and Tom you are right I certainly have that part of the hobby ingrained which will become apparent right now! I am looking for any conversion parts to 'knight up' some space ,marines? specifically long tabards for terminators or marines? also any knightly heads?

but while we wait for responses I have more models to show you I had a mate drop these off last night and he's picking them up tonight so I had a day to paint the squad and we all know I love a challenge! they're an addition to the Nurgle army I did for him a while ago. I think I did pretty good without going bonkers.

Love those sticky webs. How did you do them?

A day! I don't even finish a basecoat in a day.

Great job.