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so i have heard from people at my local store that ba/da are going to be in one codex any idea on whats going to be in the da side? also heard (from the same person) ba rhino's are going to be assault vehicles wondering if anyone can either confirm or deny this.

It'd be nice. Dark Angels get to have a Codex that isn't blandtastic, Blood Angels players get to actually have a Codex, and they bring two big armies up to date with Marines and Space Wolves.

I guess it would solve the problem of updating two for the whine of one.

Dark Angels have the worst codex ever imo. Would be nice to see it updated.

karimabuseer wrote:Dark Angels have the worst codex ever imo. Would be nice to see it updated.

Worst ever... really...? i mean yeah its boring but its most definantly playable (unlike a few unmentionables)


AoD would be awesome, as long as both parties got a codex worth of rules raher than two half baked attempts.

He have been confused about THE PAST.

GW seems to have moved away from releasing multiple armies in one book, unless it revolves around a particular event like a summer campaign- Eye of Terror Codex was the last one printed in that format.

Since then, those individual lists have been made null and void, although elements of them have moved into current codexs.

There is rumor that there is an additional codex that could be released in 2010, but I thought the AoD combo had been put to bed. There were stronger indications that the Black Templars was the other Marine codex for 2010.

However, I would love to see the DA Codex get a revision.

They should Just do chapter approved codexies every quarter, For rules and updated again... I miss those... Just Extra books too carry around and to buy....

Yea... I wasn't a fan of Chapter Approved either. Far too much weight to carry around, poorly organized, and started getting too expensive.

Yeah, I am too new to the game/hobby to have any thoughts on Chapter Approved, but when I saw this post on AoD my jaw dropped. I would personally love to have this dex.

This codex would open up for Forces of the Imperium, including SoB, DH, WH. And with those two dexs GW is selling 5 lines of models with two codex releases (aka making more money).

And there is benefit to us the players it gets us the new rules that we have been waiting years for and also opens up room for more non-SM/Imperium codexes.

Personally, I think combined codexes is best for all involved.

Moopy wrote:GW seems to have moved away from releasing multiple armies in one book

This is a meaningless statement. GW moves away from everything and towards everything simultaneously. There is no rhyme or reason to their actions that we can discern, as they shift and change design ethos like a lurching zombie.

They moved away from combined books... sure... but who's to say that will stay? Nothing else has. There's even talk once again of a combined Inquisition Codex, something they said no to a while back. Hell, even last year they said they weren't going to do something... and then did (Space Hulk).



Ok that last one's a bit of a stretch, but the point stands. What GW is doing right now has no bearing on what they're going to be doing within the next month, or even an hour from now.

You really wouldn't have to do much with the current DA Codex to make it playable. Add a few more wargear options, bring their stats and points values in line with vanilla marines and jobs a good un. They have done 2nd Edition Codexes in the past (one of which was Dark Angels).

I agree with Flashman. I think DA should just get a 2nd edition release to fix all the nerf ups and bring them more in line with the other codexs.

As for BA Rhinos being assult vehicles all I can say is WHA?!?!? Even I would play blood angels if it meant going back to the Rhino Rush rules hehe. I sure hope they do the same for the Templars hehehe.

The "Angels of Death" rumor has been around since, well, the end of 3rd edition, probably.

It is right up there with the 'combined Inquisition' rumor.

While both smell of wish listing, I'd love to see both happen, and they certainly both seem to 'make sense' too.

Alpharius wrote:While both smell of wish listing, I'd love to see both happen, and they certainly both seem to 'make sense' too.

Ok I have not been around that long but I have done some reading and I have noticed a few thing: Wish listing is hit or miss and GW don't seem to do alot of things that 'make sense'. With that said you put it vary well Apharius.

It would make a lot of sense for it to happen this way, hence it won't...

It's the harsh truth, I dont feel either army needs MAJOR rules changes, so I think two in one book is perfectly reasonable, but as I said, and as Alpharius so aptly put, it is very much wish listing...

Why make one codex and sell it for £15-20 or whatever they cost when you can make two separate ones and milk the golden cow a little more?

Aren't those guys dead yet? If I remember from the Rouge Trader days is that their were just a handful left and dying of some sort of Warp disease.

Brian

@fillbert: making two codexes won't milk the golden cow. I have a friend that was in the business and the rules are just there to sell models, and models are the golden cow for GW.

I could be wrong but from what I have heard/read it costs more to make a codex then a model so if you could get away with making a cheaper codex that will sell more models why not.

Kervin wrote:@fillbert: making two codexes won't milk the golden cow. I have a friend that was in the business and the rules are just there to sell models, and models are the golden cow for GW.

I could be wrong but from what I have heard/read it costs more to make a codex then a model so if you could get away with making a cheaper codex that will sell more models why not.

Well we shall have to agree to disagree. Maybe I am being cynical but whichever way you look at it every 40K player will need at least one codex, and in many cases more than one. That's a serious chunk of revenue right there. I'm sure the actual development costs of codices do mount up, if you are taking into account developer man hours and so on but if the sole purpose of a codex was to sell minis and not to be a revenue stream in it's own right, then why do GW package every single race/army separately? If it were a pure marketing exercise, surely it would make sense to give everyone the rules within the BRB and whet their appetite that way rather than expend resources publishing separate books? I think the truth is rather more prosaic; they keep the books separate because they can make more money charging people £20 a shot per book plus sell all the relevant minis.

filbert wrote:

Kervin wrote:@fillbert: making two codexes won't milk the golden cow. I have a friend that was in the business and the rules are just there to sell models, and models are the golden cow for GW.

I could be wrong but from what I have heard/read it costs more to make a codex then a model so if you could get away with making a cheaper codex that will sell more models why not.

Well we shall have to agree to disagree. Maybe I am being cynical but whichever way you look at it every 40K player will need at least one codex, and in many cases more than one. That's a serious chunk of revenue right there. I'm sure the actual development costs of codices do mount up, if you are taking into account developer man hours and so on but if the sole purpose of a codex was to sell minis and not to be a revenue stream in it's own right, then why do GW package every single race/army separately? If it were a pure marketing exercise, surely it would make sense to give everyone the rules within the BRB and whet their appetite that way rather than expend resources publishing separate books? I think the truth is rather more prosaic; they keep the books separate because they can make more money charging people £20 a shot per book plus sell all the relevant minis.

Yes you do have a good point but it also comes down to segmenting you have separate rulebook and codices you can update one without having to spend the costs of redoing the whole lot at once and in some cases (DE, WH, DH, Necrons) hold off updates for years. One codex lasting three editions and with it still being so old it is still selling and selling minis. And also you do get a bit of a bump with ever player needing a dex but it can sell 4x its own cost in mini. Lets take nids for example, you new nid player having to by a £15 dex and then gets a battleforce for £60 and then they need an HQ so they get a Hive Tyrant £30: troops + HQ = £90 that is 4x the cost of the dex and it goes up from there. It is a balancing act between the cost of making the dex Vs. the minis it could sell and with a duel army dex where you have a vary large mini base in place I would think it would be a no brainier (but that would mean GW would have make scene). What it all comes down to is balancing the rules edition, codices, and new model costs with how much you can make off of things that have made there money back (old mini lines that will carry over).

It's a rumor that's been brought up and shot down time and time again. I don't really see it happening, as much as I'd like it to. Then again, some former GW employees say that the release schedule would change from day to day since they kept coming up with new ideas and changing their minds. Who knows.

All I can say is that I'd really like it if BA and DA got consolidated into Angels of Death again. People would stop complaining about too many Marine lists, Dark Angels would get a viable codex, and Blood Angels would get a solid retail release. This is coming from a guy who has owned 4 MEQ armies.

I heard that Eldar/Dark Eldar were coming out as either a single codex or a back to back release.

A BA/DA book is not out of the questions at all. They came out originally that way. DA need an update badly, their list sucks ass.

Reecius wrote:I heard that Eldar/Dark Eldar were coming out as either a single codex or a back to back release.

A BA/DA book is not out of the questions at all. They came out originally that way. DA need an update badly, their list sucks ass.

I can't see Eldar/Dark Eldar being a back to back release. GW seems to be doing SM, non SM release, SM, non SM release. Who knows that could change, but I doubt it.

AS for AoD, it thought it was put to rest once and for all, when Harry ( is Harry on this site?) put it to rest once and for all, that there is no AoD codex, but there will be 2 seperate SM armies if all goes well for 2010.

For those who don't know, Harry is a poster on Warseer who would make small little comments on upcoming future releases. He seems to never be wrong, at least while I was on Warseer, he was pretty solid. I would always take his word as gospel. He first said that BA is only half the story. So for about a week, we all said it was an AoD codex. Finally Harry said no it's not an AoD codex, but a full fledge SM codex and not mini's or anything else like that or something like that.

I for one would love to have anthour AoD codex, but I don't see it coming. Well we only have, what? Till March to see if we have an AoD codex. By that I mean with the patteren of 3 month before release before GW says anything about an upcoming release, we should know by then if it's just BA or AoD as the OP mentioned. I bet my money on BA only.

Personally, I think this could be one BA/DA/SS Codex? amirite? amirite?

Whatever comes out, you will all be punished by the loyal servants of the emperor as I assault out of my Rhino!!

Hopefully...

Most of the time, rumours like this are wishlisting... mostly.

filbert wrote:Why make one codex and sell it for £15-20 or whatever they cost when you can make two separate ones and milk the golden cow a little more?

Because you can make one codex for $5-10 more and then both DA and BA players have to overpay for a book
I doubt there are enough dual BA+DA players to make GW lose money rather than gain by combining.

This would make me extremely happy, and thats why it will never happen.

I seriously doubt we will see a combined codex for BA/DA. GW sells one army at a time these days.