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Anyone else notice that the Stealth Battlesuit teams are now being sold with 32mm bases, not 25?

I for one welcome this change since 32 is far more appropriate for their size.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Wasnt the Orca one of those "neat models but it sucks" type of things?

It only has 2 guns, long barreled burst and a MP so it literally does nothing but transport. 400pts for an air transport that houses 57 models (super heavy so multiple units).
I remember i wanted one because i actually liked the model but the rules pushed me away from it big time.
Kinda like the Manta. Awesome model, feth those rules lol (which by the way for some reason got promoted on the front page of FW website)

Yes, the Orca is pretty bad. However, it just looks awesome, and is a ton of fun.

I proxied one in several apoc games, and it usually got shot down before it could ever unload anything (6 HP on a non-jinking av12 model is pretty bad....SH can't jink).

The model while looking good, was a huge pain to put together, as the casting was just bad - (no, not recasts - the fw cast was bad - old molds) and lot of the parts did just not fit.
(I watched a few other assy vids, and all suffer the same issues).

I do love the flying shoebox however, as it looks great on the table and is fun to fly around in big apoc games. I play in narrative events sometimes, and usually they will make some special rules or missions for it...




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maceria wrote:
It will move 57 infantry across a 10' table. If you have need of that capacity, it's fantastic.

Yes - this is true. Usually does not make it more than about 3 feet, but in theory its true.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
MC would be kinda pushing it. T5 alone would make me happy lol. Unless the Iridium Armor is removed and its just included in the price - that would both be awesome (multiple commanders with T5 2+ Armor) and suck (no non-commanders with it) at the same time lol.
Ork Warboss (or specifically Ghazzy) would be an MC before a Commander ever would.

Broadsides honestly i dont think should be T5. Theyre bigger because of excessive armor more than bigger gears n such. T5 Broadsides would be kinda....insane

Why would T5 broadsides be insane? Look at the size of them. It would fit. I mean, obviously price accordingly, but otherwise it works.

Because only marine centurions get T5 on multi wound models.

Silly tau, t5 is for humans!

For anyone wondering, I translated the tau text on GW's homepage with the ghost keel. A few things seems wrong, but mostly its all there


ghost keel battlesuits lunge from the shadows to rake their prey with lethal volleys of fire. wreathed in stealth fields projected by their hovering drones, the half-seen battlesuits move with terrifying speed for their size.


should one of their prey level especially large or deadly weapons, an ecsfnine? pilot will trigger his countermeasure suite sending targeting systems haywire

warning: countersensory warfare suites engaged
unable to lock on to target
disengage before proceeding

one moment the enemy is advancing across the battlefield, the next looming killers are bounding through their midst with guns blazing.
panicked return fire flies wide, the ghostkeels’ attackers unable to draw a bead on their sensor-baffled targets

amid the resultant confusion, the ghostkeels deliver their killing targets into glowing atom

GW used google translate's Tau function I see.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
That would actually be a buff if our crisis suits/broadsides/commanders were 12/12/10 walkers with 3hp....with riptides/surges being 13/13/11. Ever faced the ork wall of steel list? If you arent tailored to deal with it, you ARENT dealing with it because thats just way too much armor for your average list to deal with. And as Tau, we have access to a 4++ on said walkers. Again, that would be a buff, not a nerf.

Walkers instead of creatures would either be pathetically weak and make tau unplayable, or overpowered as gak

12/12/10 makes more sense for broadsides, they have a huge REACTOR on their backs. Any bolters piercing those should send them sky high. I play tau and even I know 11 on the back makes no sense. Heck they should add +3 inches to their explosion radius if you want flavor.

He was saying 12/12/10 for broadsides. 11 back was only for riptides/stormsurges.

 Formosa wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Marines arent multiwounded though. Theres also that argument.

Dont get me wrong it makes a lot more sense to have the suits above Stealth Suits to be T5+ because of their sheer size compared to a Marine. Stealthsuits should be T4 by that right too.

But, 1) that would be an unfair advantage that isnt Imperial or Eldar related so never going to happen and 2) that would just break Tau if our suits just got a +T1 across the board lol.

Oh no, I don't want crisis suits to be T4, just broadsides. They're a bit larger than dreadnoughts. They really deserve T5.

Spoiler:

No what they really deserve is av12/12/10 3 hp

Wait, that would make the Tau Dreadnought equivalent an actual Dreadnought...

Who gets moved to LOW? Farsight? Riptide?

Stormsurge is our LOW already. Although I wouldn't mind a buffed farsight being LOW.

Aun'Va makes sense thematically as LOW.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Stormsurge is our LOW already. Although I wouldn't mind a buffed farsight being LOW.

I would be ok with that as long as he can still Bomb.

 Vash108 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Stormsurge is our LOW already. Although I wouldn't mind a buffed farsight being LOW.

I would be ok with that as long as he can still Bomb.

Just giving EW and letting him take his bomb would be a great LOW.

I've more than once thought that the battlesuits should be walkers, but I also realized that a Relentless Broadside immune to weaponry of less than strength 6 would be incredibly potent.

Liking the look of the ghostkeel, may pick one up (damn, it's expensive though).

GW really should go back to the design board with MC's/Walkers. At what point does thing stop becoming a suit of armor and become a vehicle? There's no consistency.

It actually makes sense for the mandatory LoW character(s) to be all three of Aun'va, Farsight and Shadowsun given their roles for the faction compared to other LoW characters. We know there will only be one though so here is my prediction; fluff-wise it should be Aun'va as he is essentially the supreme leader of all Tau, but GW will give it to Farsight because he is the most classic "super" character of the Tau.

Is there any info about the Tau tidewall rampart being
a limited thing or web exclusive?

No idea unfortunately. Presumably the oncoming White Dwarf has that information plus its rules but luchiban didn't show us those particular goods so we will have to wait and see.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Clunker wrote:
Guardian Drones - what, they're just weaker Shield Drones?

Have we seen anything to indicate that Shield Drones still exist in the new Codex?

In...what way is the guardian drone weaker than the shield?

Shield is 4++ to itself, and that's it.

Guardian is 5++ to itself and a 6++ to the entire unit, with possible 5++.

They don't do the same thing. shield blocks a single shot better, but a guardian provides a blanket protection.
For a large squad, the guardian is far superior. for a small squad, its questionable.

The Tau Firewarrior Breachers seems a strange unit.
Their firepower is worse then the (current) carbine, except at 5"range (in practice: firing overwatch).

The seem to be written as a cheap unit to take and defend an objective. The turret and field-amplifier array give them more "staying power" then normal Firewarriors.

The Tau Tidewall Rampart will probably also be impressive at defending.

Of course the terrain is going to be limited, everything is now.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Of course the terrain is going to be limited, everything is now.

Not really. Everyone said those promethium pipes would be limited. Still there. Wall of Martyrs- still there.

So then it's about 50/50 whether it'll be limited or not. Personally I'm betting it's limited, but hopefully not since I'd actually like to be able to buy it some day.

I want the rampart. But I dont want to be forced to buy it right away because it is limited (or not). I would rather spend my money on minis and the book first.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
That would actually be a buff if our crisis suits/broadsides/commanders were 12/12/10 walkers with 3hp....with riptides/surges being 13/13/11. Ever faced the ork wall of steel list? If you arent tailored to deal with it, you ARENT dealing with it because thats just way too much armor for your average list to deal with. And as Tau, we have access to a 4++ on said walkers. Again, that would be a buff, not a nerf.

Walkers instead of creatures would either be pathetically weak and make tau unplayable, or overpowered as gak

It would also allow weapon destroyed and shaken /stunned, something mc's should have anyway.

 Formosa wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
That would actually be a buff if our crisis suits/broadsides/commanders were 12/12/10 walkers with 3hp....with riptides/surges being 13/13/11. Ever faced the ork wall of steel list? If you arent tailored to deal with it, you ARENT dealing with it because thats just way too much armor for your average list to deal with. And as Tau, we have access to a 4++ on said walkers. Again, that would be a buff, not a nerf.

Walkers instead of creatures would either be pathetically weak and make tau unplayable, or overpowered as gak

It would also allow weapon destroyed and shaken /stunned, something mc's should have anyway.

Damn straight.

Correct. Also make them immune to poison which makes sense.

Silly tau, t5 is for humans!

Not really - is for massively reconstructed humans more metal than flesh or for super humans.................so Astartes.

Tau has had T5 for ages.. they're called hazard suits.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Silly tau, t5 is for humans!

Not really - is for massively reconstructed humans more metal than flesh or for super humans.................so Astartes.

Unless that Astartes turns traitor, doubles in size and can literally turn his skin into armour and weapons, then it's back to T4 because otherwise loyalist players cry and cry and cry.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Silly tau, t5 is for humans!

Not really - is for massively reconstructed humans more metal than flesh or for super humans.................so Astartes.

Unless that Astartes turns traitor, doubles in size and can literally turn his skin into armour and weapons, then it's back to T4 because otherwise loyalist players cry and cry and cry.

Oh yeah, they made Oblits T4 didn't they?

"A guy is bigger and more cyberdemon than human? Better make him as tough as your average marine" - GW logic.

To be fair T4 is Space Marine toughness. T2/3 is your average human/eldar. Not that puny in the grand scale of things. Plus don't they get a pretty sweet saving throw?

Well the pricing sheet doesn't say that the Tidewall is either limited or direct only (and one of the AoS books in the same sheet is down as online only), so hopefully the terrain is a general release.