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I agree about MANZ being better than nobz I just threw that out there for people as an alternative I felt worthy of more exploration.

So the banner + lucky stick only stacks for characters?
I was hoping to get my killsaw MANZ to hit on 2+

Kommandos are strictly a minimum strength unit now?

Da Lucky Stikk only works for goff characters.

Kommadoz' use is to grab unprotected objectives and score secondaries. Adding additional bodies doesn't add to their ability to survive a focused attack, so the goal is to spend as little as possible and simply to prevent them from getting attacked at all.

Greenblood wrote:
I agree about MANZ being better than nobz I just threw that out there for people as an alternative I felt worthy of more exploration.

So the banner + lucky stick only stacks for characters?
I was hoping to get my killsaw MANZ to hit on 2+

Kommandos are strictly a minimum strength unit now?

Tin heads plus waaagh banner would do it.

Greenblood wrote:


Kommandos are strictly a minimum strength unit now?

Some play them as some sort of deep striking trukk boyz. 10 of them with a PK nob may be decent if your tactics involve assaulting weak units. They're exactly trukk boyz that can arrive wherever they need to be while being 55 pts cheaper. If deathskullz they even get Obj sec. Work decently also for lists that rely on multiple teleporting units like a da jumped mob of boyz and tellyported manz, to put 3-4 units in the face of the enemy.

You take min units only to score secondaries. Since they're very reliable for that purpose if you want kommandos to score secondaries keep them cheap, aka min units. They're not strctly a minimun strenght unit but 5 man squads are amazing tools that work for every kind of list, larger squads are basically a niche option that requires some effort and appropriate synergies to work.



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tulun wrote:

Greenblood wrote:
I agree about MANZ being better than nobz I just threw that out there for people as an alternative I felt worthy of more exploration.

So the banner + lucky stick only stacks for characters?
I was hoping to get my killsaw MANZ to hit on 2+

Kommandos are strictly a minimum strength unit now?

Tin heads plus waaagh banner would do it.

Not anymore, modifiers are capped to +1. Both tin headz and waaagh banner bonus are +1 to hit. Tin eadz manz hit on 3s without the need of the banner but sadly can't improve their accuracy with the banner like other clans' meganobz.

 Blackie wrote:


Not anymore, modifiers are capped to +1. Both tin headz and waaagh banner bonus are +1 to hit. Tin eadz manz hit on 3s without the need of the banner but sadly can't improve their accuracy with the banner like other clans' meganobz.

As I understand, only the end result is limited to be +1 or -1, so Tin Eads gives +1, Banner (with Tin Eads klan keyword) gives +1 and killsaw -1 for a cumulative total of +1 to hit, very specifically not that only one modifier applies.

Relevant text for applying hit modifiers:
"A hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1. This means that if, after all the cumulative modifiers to a hit roll have been calculated, the total modifier would be -2 or worse, it is changed to be -1. Similarly, if, after all the cumulative modifiers to a hit roll have been calculated, the total modifier would be +2 or better, it is changed to be +1."

Unless Im missing something about Tin Eads?

I forgot about that, you're totally right. For some reasons I was considering manz hitting on 3s like they were already using a +1 to hit bonus with no malus. Instead, they were on +(or -) 0 to hit bonus, due to the negative effect of klaws or saws. So yeah double +1 to hit is legit and cumulative if there's also a -1 to hit in play.

Edit: it's the killa kanz that don't have any minus to hit so the tin eadz kultur and waaagh banner don't stack on them.

So for a vanguard list of MANZ with Ghaz painboy banner nob mega KFF Tim heads could be a go but I think you give up more than you gain by not being Goff

You could technically stack 2 waaagh banners I think as well, but that seems a bit silly just to make your MANz hit on 2s.

I think 3s, re-rolling 1s, exploding 6s is just fine

Waaagh! Banners, just like all other auras, are worded in a way that they don't stack with themselves.

Fair. The actual legal way.

Waaagh banner, free booter warlord trait, FB clan trait.

2s, reroll 1s.

So today is my birthday, and I just happened to go into a GW store, and found Gorzag and Nikkit, which just became available today. So I bought them, he has an ork boy statline with 'eavy armor, do I just plug him and Nikkit into the game for an Ork Boy?

He is a 'Commemorative Series' model if that helps

EDIT Apparently he is a Nob, apologies

As far as I understood, he is just a nob with slugga and choppa and nikkit is an ammo runt.

 Jidmah wrote:
As far as I understood, he is just a nob with slugga and choppa and nikkit is an ammo runt.

Oh my mistake he is a Nob

Thank you Jidmah

This commemorativ piece of ...
plastic makes me seriously think about the futuru of this hobby, this company and this business model.

This hobby is great and will definitely be fine and very interesting

The rest will be part of this “interesting”.

Selling a 20 years old Nob model and ammo runt as commemorative? Commemorativ of what?

 Tomsug wrote:
This commemorativ piece of ...
plastic makes me seriously think about the futuru of this hobby, this company and this business model.

This hobby is great and will definitely be fine and very interesting

The rest will be part of this “interesting”.

Selling a 20 years old Nob model and ammo runt as commemorative? Commemorativ of what?

I mean, nu-GW's whole modus operandi for a lot of stuff is doing remakes of old classic models. The model is commemorative of GW's Gorkamorka game, and they've done this with SM with their remake of their Imperial Marine with disintegrator gun, SoB got a model that is based on the old school artwork cover for them/40K way back and they even made the Zoat for Blackstone Fortress.

They've seen the movies and shows and how everyone is on the nostalgia bandwagon, so they're tapping into it.

 Tomsug wrote:
This commemorativ piece of ...
plastic makes me seriously think about the futuru of this hobby, this company and this business model.

This hobby is great and will definitely be fine and very interesting

The rest will be part of this “interesting”.

Selling a 20 years old Nob model and ammo runt as commemorative? Commemorativ of what?

I got Gitstompa and Nikkit just because I have the old Nob and wanted them to go with each other, but yeah I agree. It doesnt really make sense to have an Ork Nob on boxing day as a commemorative model. It kind of felt like fan service to Ork players to keep them happy. I was expecting more of a Deathguard/Dark Angel/Dark Eldar model to link with the upcoming releases.

But has anyone seen that new Ork coin? Apparently it is only available during a month when a faction is release. Deathguard has their coin and people are saying Slaanesh has one too coming but I havent seen that one. So we could be "soon" (soon in covid terms so summer )

 Rismonite wrote:
So today is my birthday, and I just happened to go into a GW store, and found Gorzag and Nikkit, which just became available today. So I bought them, he has an ork boy statline with 'eavy armor, do I just plug him and Nikkit into the game for an Ork Boy?

He is a 'Commemorative Series' model if that helps

EDIT Apparently he is a Nob, apologies

The model is bulky enough to be a perfect warboss actually, a good replace for the former Grukk which you can get only along with nobz you may not want and it's not a great sculpt anyway (in my opinion at least). Just replace his choppa with a spared power klaw, and put him on a 40mm since I think he's on a 32mm. Maybe a bosspole could be nice as well.

I wouldn’t expect a codex until late next year but I think the new statline for the biker boss is a good preview of what to expect. I don’t think we will really see too much change rules wise and I highly doubt we see a whole new line of models. I think GW is aware that for Orks they have a huge third party problem. On top of that if you wanted new models they just Recently (for orks) refreshed the AOS line of Orruks and they are all easily adapted to 40k. I myself have already converted 10 brutes to MANZ and A couple of mega bosses which is an amazing model. I think GW is very familiar with the nature of ork players and how juxtaposed it is with their new monopose lines.

Don' t expecting new codex anytime soon. There will be a masive promo 4 months in advance at least...

 Blackie wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:
So today is my birthday, and I just happened to go into a GW store, and found Gorzag and Nikkit, which just became available today. So I bought them, he has an ork boy statline with 'eavy armor, do I just plug him and Nikkit into the game for an Ork Boy?

He is a 'Commemorative Series' model if that helps

EDIT Apparently he is a Nob, apologies

The model is bulky enough to be a perfect warboss actually, a good replace for the former Grukk which you can get only along with nobz you may not want and it's not a great sculpt anyway (in my opinion at least). Just replace his choppa with a spared power klaw, and put him on a 40mm since I think he's on a 32mm. Maybe a bosspole could be nice as well.

He is quite a bit smaller than Grukk. You can run him as a Warboss sure, but he is Nob sized. None Ork players wouldnt notice but I wouldnt use him as a Warboss. He is getting a Killsaw and he is being a Boss Nob for me.

Hey guys i understand that auras are not projected outside a vehicle, when a character is inside. However i cant seem find out if the aura doesnt still affect the vehicle itself. Like if you put a KFF big mek inside a gorkanaut or a waaagh banner inside the gorkanaut, does the gork get those benefits but no one else? Or does no one including the gork get those benefits ?

Beardedragon wrote:
Hey guys i understand that auras are not projected outside a vehicle, when a character is inside. However i cant seem find out if the aura doesnt still affect the vehicle itself. Like if you put a KFF big mek inside a gorkanaut or a waaagh banner inside the gorkanaut, does the gork get those benefits but no one else? Or does no one including the gork get those benefits ?

The KFF has an extra rules to handle being embarked on vehicles.

All other other auras fail simply because you cannot be within any range of an embarked model.

 Jidmah wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
Hey guys i understand that auras are not projected outside a vehicle, when a character is inside. However i cant seem find out if the aura doesnt still affect the vehicle itself. Like if you put a KFF big mek inside a gorkanaut or a waaagh banner inside the gorkanaut, does the gork get those benefits but no one else? Or does no one including the gork get those benefits ?

The KFF has an extra rules to handle being embarked on vehicles.

All other other auras fail simply because you cannot be within any range of an embarked model.

I See. So no waaagh banner inside Will work on the gork.

Cant wait to try my gork!!

This is epic. GW just released some lists incl. one Ork list from Battle forge to motivate people to use it and.... the list are totaly wrong

 Tomsug wrote:
This is epic. GW just released some lists incl. one Ork list from Battle forge to motivate people to use it and.... the list are totaly wrong

The MA Big mek is pretty off.

The Goff list looks legitimately competitive, though. Good job GW.

 Tomsug wrote:
This is epic. GW just released some lists incl. one Ork list from Battle forge to motivate people to use it and.... the list are totaly wrong

All the lists they posted werent competitive even though being branded as such in the title of the article. They are just tryna show off the app thats all.

The point is not the structure of the army in the list. It’ s pretty ok. The tragedy is the output from the app. It miss the gunz. It miss the elementary information. Send a list written this way to any tournament and they kick you out.


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Does anybody have some experiences with Megadreads with the new rules? See a lot of pictures people painting them, but not any reports...

 Tomsug wrote:
The point is not the structure of the army in the list. It’ s pretty ok. The tragedy is the output from the app. It miss the gunz. It miss the elementary information. Send a list written this way to any tournament and they kick you out.


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Does anybody have some experiences with Megadreads with the new rules? See a lot of pictures people painting them, but not any reports...

And Meka dreads for that matter. A pair of Killkannons at BS4 (or BS3 if you take freebootaz/buzzgob) is nothing to sneeze at. Having 3 of each swamping the midfield could be decent, certainly fun.

Mega Dreads with dual Dred Klaw arms are good deep striking threats. They already roll 3D6 for the charge so you don't have to spend 2CP on ramming speed to guarantee it (though it all but does if you do). They're also not entirely useless on the turn they land even if they don't make the charge for some reason, as the bombits they're equipped with are 12" skorchas without the AP-1.

Meka Dreds I haven't used yet, but I assume like Cody.D mentioned, that you would lean into their superior shooting ability since they already have 1 less base attack. I would be worried about them being tarpitted though.

Meka dreads cant shoot into combat or fallback and shoot.

I think that kills their usefulness imo. I'd rather take a kannonwagon for the better gun, longer range, and transport capacity, as well as 3 free big shootas.

Same cost too.