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How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?
I don't like the new rhino without the top plate!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?
I don't like the new rhino without the top plate!

The leftmost tab on GW's website that has the pre-orders section also has the Last Chance to Buy section.

And yes, the current Immolator as well the Exorcist are there. If you want more of those, this is the time to buy.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?
I don't like the new rhino without the top plate!

you can tell by the red circle with 2 blocks in it, the immolator kit is part of the last change

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?

They have the 'last chance' symbol next to them in the webstore.

mk3 immolators and exorcists are no more.

I like that they guarantee availability for the first week.

Wish they had done that with other Last Chance to Buy ranges...

Thanks everyone for the answer. I just wish I knew how the new Immolator looks like, to decide if I can just turn all my current dual-kits into rhinos and buy new immolators, or if I should stock up on old rhinolators now before the model change!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Thanks everyone for the answer. I just wish I knew how the new Immolator looks like, to decide if I can just turn all my current dual-kits into rhinos and buy new immolators, or if I should stock up on old rhinolators now before the model change!

we might know 14 october

Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.



*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.



*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...

Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"

the_scotsman wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.



*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...

Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"

Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.

pm713 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.



*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...

Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"

Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.

Aren't SoS one of the factions that still sees the emperor as a man instead of a diety? Because that would be a MASSIVE problem when trying to work with SoB.

Gameplay wise they make sense to work together but fluffwise I think they're too different.

Sisters of Silence are clearly not fleshed out enough to have a codex of their own (a crying shame too).

I was also actually hoping they would be folded into the Sisters of Battle, simply because they fulfil a similar role within the Imperium.

Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.

I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.

drbored wrote:
Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.

I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.

I concur.

SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.

something tells me they wouldnt work well together.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I concur.

SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.

something tells me they wouldnt work well together.

Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.

 H wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
I concur.

SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.

something tells me they wouldnt work well together.

Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.

Yes, Inquisitor. This post right here.

ERJAK wrote:

pm713 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.



*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...

Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"

Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.

Aren't SoS one of the factions that still sees the emperor as a man instead of a diety? Because that would be a MASSIVE problem when trying to work with SoB.

Gameplay wise they make sense to work together but fluffwise I think they're too different.

Neither do Space Marines yet they work together pretty easily. Just don't bring it up and sideline every conversation to duty.

 EnTyme wrote:
Yes, Inquisitor. This post right here.

Hey, I actually have a SoB army!



And several Chaos ones...

Racerguy180 wrote:

drbored wrote:
Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.

I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.

I concur.

SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.

something tells me they wouldnt work well together.

Why wouldn't they work well together, they don't exactly have much to talk about do they? harharhar

Most likely nothing, but have there been any reveals in the new SOB line of any melta weaponry? slightly concerned here

pm713 wrote:
Or they're both good at hunting psykers,

SoB are especially good at hunting psykers? I thought they were just good at rooting out heresy, which is entirely different.

pm713 wrote:
Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread

Except for Mechanicus, and most IG regiment don't have psykers either…

 H wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
I concur.

SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.

something tells me they wouldnt work well together.

Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.

And several branches of said rather popular real world religion are nontrinitarian, a topic that has been argued with words and weapons for about as long as said religion exists. Something tells me that particularly zealous people in one group might not cooperate very easily with those from the other category.

If the SoB really need a particular battlefield role to be filled, I'd rather see the creation of a new profile than just including the SoS "because they need a place and are also womenfolk".

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

SoB are especially good at hunting psykers? I thought they were just good at rooting out heresy, which is entirely different.

Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ? Also, there is a reason why they were part of an old codex named "Witch Hunters".

Sisters hate mutants, witches and heretics. Since the first two are usually the third as well..."burn the heretic !" is kinda the short version of their battle motto.

 Sarouan wrote:
Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ?

Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.
Really, psyker-heavy armies are much better at denying powers than Sisters are. Culexus are much better at this too. And SoS are much better at this too.

 Sarouan wrote:
Also, there is a reason why they were part of an old codex named "Witch Hunters".

Yes, it is because straight after the release of Inquisitor, the 54 mm miniature game, GW decide to release 3 inquisition codex for the 3 ordos, and they decide to include other forces for padding, and when selecting the padding for Ordo Hereticus, the order focused on hunting Heretics, they selected the Sisters of Battle, because they are also very focused on Heresy. Why Witch Hunter for this codex? Well, I guess Heretics Hunter didn't sound as good, and it conveys the same idea of hunting heresy. Actual witch-hunters victims didn't have any psychic powers. When Donald Trump calls investigations “Witch Hunt”, he doesn't mean that people think he has psychic powers, he thinks that people are unfairly attacking him for his believes.

 Sarouan wrote:
Sisters hate mutants, witches and heretics. Since the first two are usually the third as well..."burn the heretic !" is kinda the short version of their battle motto.

They hate both, and specialize on finding them. Investigators. If you told me that Sisters are specialized in finding out hidden psykers, yeah, that would be part of their role. Minor, because
a) Psykers are much rarer than mutants and heretics
b) There are more specialized forces that are MUCH better at this role, given that the Sisters know nothing, and don't want to know anything, about psychic powers, beside that they hate those.
The black ships aren't crewed by Sisters of Battle, you know? That's for a reason!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ?

Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.

I'd say it might also have been GW overthinking it, as the sisters have had a much more straightforward 5+ in previous editions - which worked fine when psychic powers were 'I shoot a psychic heavy flamer at you' and not so much use against summoning and invisibility.

The current rules are either a coin flip against every power with the relic or not even worth rolling without. Wouldn't be surprised to see it changed again.

The resin Canoness from 2-3 years back is on the block too.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan

(My God I hate webp images, can't upload them....)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Or they're both good at hunting psykers,

SoB are especially good at hunting psykers? I thought they were just good at rooting out heresy, which is entirely different.

Don't they often work with Witch Hunters / Ordo Hereticus, who are psyker hunters?
Don't they also have a weapon that specializes in killing psykers?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The resin Canoness from 2-3 years back is on the block too.

No she's not. She's just direct only!

(My God I hate webp images, can't upload them....)

Yeah, what's up with them?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.

Yeah, it's thematic - because it represent their faith being a shield against psychic powers. You also seem to forget they have a stratagem to nullify a psychic power as well. Why do they have that ? Because they are hunting psykers, that are considered extra heretics in the canon of the imperium.

They were always showing contempt on psykers, especially in the background. Are you saying it never existed now ?

Really, psyker-heavy armies are much better at denying powers than Sisters are. Culexus are much better at this too. And SoS are much better at this too.

SoB have this, while other non psyker armies don't. Tell the Tau or the Astra Militarum without psykers how they manage to stop their powers.

Of course psykers are the best defense against psykers. This is litterally what it says in the background too. And of course non psyker abilities are lesser than psykers in that field - or, I don't know, litteral psychic living voids as the Culexus and the Sisters of Silence are.

Your point is meaningless. It's not because an ability isn't all powerful than its presence means nothing for the theme.

They hate both, and specialize on finding them. Investigators. If you told me that Sisters are specialized in finding out hidden psykers, yeah, that would be part of their role. Minor, because
a) Psykers are much rarer than mutants and heretics
b) There are more specialized forces that are MUCH better at this role, given that the Sisters know nothing, and don't want to know anything, about psychic powers, beside that they hate those.
The black ships aren't crewed by Sisters of Battle, you know? That's for a reason!

a) The rarity doesn't mean they don't hunt them the lesser in comparison to the others.
b) Well duh ! Still doesn't mean the sisters like the psykers in their hearts and aren't extra wary of psyker powers. Because that's in their background, you not remembering it or not wanting to read it doesn't make it disappear from reality.
And of course the black ships aren't crewed by SoB. Though I remember some stories having them as escorts because of their special resistance to psychic powers. Not to the level of SoS, of course, but since those are an entirely other level of special forces, it's not like you can have SoS everywhere to stop everything.

Face it, they were part of the Codex : Witch Hunters for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitors like to use when they hunt, well, witches - the other word for psykers in 40k background. And please leave Trump's nonsense out of this, he doesn't know to use words so no need to confuse in 40k as well.

How about we leave politics out in general? K thx.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Don't they often work with Witch Hunters / Ordo Hereticus

As previously mentioned, yes.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
who are psyker hunters?

As previously mentioned, the main tasks of the Ordo Hereticus is heresy and sedition.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Don't they also have a weapon that specializes in killing psykers?

Yeah, but so do the Dark Eldars…

 Sarouan wrote:
Why do they have that ?

Because it fits the “pure will/true faith” theme they got going.

 Sarouan wrote:
They were always showing contempt on psykers, especially in the background.

They were always shwoing contempt for xenos too. And for heretics. Apostate heretics get the most contempt of all.

 Sarouan wrote:
Of course psykers are the best defense against psykers.

Well, no, that's blank. Culexus + Sisters of Silence. Force that, unlike the Sisters of Battle, focus entirely on hunting psykers. Because Sisters of Battle primary focus are:
a) Ecclesiarchial all-purpose army, and
b) Ecclesiarchy “internal affairs” investigator and executor (← which is why they are close in some way to the Ordo Hereticus)

 Sarouan wrote:
Face it, they were part of the Codex : Witch Hunters for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitors like to use when they hunt, well, witches - the other word for psykers in 40k background.

They are part of the Codex: Witch Hunter for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitor like to use when they hunt heretics. Including sometime psychers, but that's more of an exception than the rule. Apostate cardinals, unruly planetary governors, even too borderline space marines chapters get destroyed by Inquisitor-led Sisters of Battle armies.

 Sarouan wrote:
And please leave Trump's nonsense out of this, he doesn't know to use words so no need to confuse in 40k as well.

Ok, no Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt#Figurative_use_of_the_term