Which Army/Faction has the MOST power.

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**xGhost4000x**

I'm curious, we know the Necrons are uber powerful but they sleep to much <-- okay so I don't know much about crons....

The orks have numbers but Tyranids probably have them covered......

I'm just curious which Faction do you think wields the most power.

EDIT:

Because alot of people weren't sure what exactly I meant with "power" I'll just say with every form of power....

Who has the most military might
Who has the most manpower
Who has the most loyalty/stubbornness
etc....

**Shas'O Dorian**

All other things aside Chaos Daemons or Necrons.

Daemons - Yes their power is mostly contained in the warp but it's still there.

Necrons - C'tan & they are building pylons on or near cadia that would close the Eye of Terror & shut off the warp from real space killing all life. (Please correct me if I'm wrong I remember reading this somewhere)

**Lupe**

If it's power by weight of numbers, the Tyranids

If it's power as in leverage to turn the course of the history, it's the Eldar

If it's just plain firepower, it's the Iron Warriors and their unholy number of big guns

**Shas'O Dorian**

Lupe wrote:If it's power by weight of numbers, the Tyranids

I'd have to disagree and say Daemons, now that Chaos are super-pals they're supposedly a near infinite number of daemons in the warp and unless hit with a sanctified weapon Daemons are never really "killed" just sent back to the warp.

**1hadhq**

Why put a blind eye to the one and only real powerful faction => IoM.

**Gwar!**

I think Orks outnumber Nids by Bajillions, if you count only the nids arrived so far.

If you count the ones still in the intergalactic void...

**Ensis Ferrae**

well, those of us who have read the HH books know that the TRUE power in the galaxy is the Cabal

**dumplingman**

toss up between nids crons and orks imo. Daemons are out cause if the nids or crons wipe out all life as we know it there is no way for daemons to manifest in the real world.

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

I think it's obvious. Humanity does.

To hold off from being killed by every xenos race out there, daemons from another realm, and even traitors that outnumber the Loyal, it seems humanity can do anything.

**hcordes**

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:I think it's obvious. Humanity does.

To hold off from being killed by every xenos race out there, daemons from another realm, and even traitors that outnumber the Loyal, it seems humanity can do anything.

*sniffle* so sentimental.... lol thats why humans get bonus feats (or used too) in D&D, its because we have the power to "overcome" our short comings lol.

in all seriousness though I would have to say the Human/Space Marines, yes that is stubborn loyalist speak.

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

Ah, good ole' DnD. I loved my second starting feat.

Also, I'm not loyalist and I agree. I simply think the Imperials are strong to be able to face a galaxy, and then some, all set out to do them harm in one way or another.

**sniperjolly**

I want to see a "Humanity Undevided" run around smashing hive fleets and curb-stomping little races like the Tau.

Barring that, it has been repeted ad-nausem, for sheer potensal the Orks have everone else combined beat.

**phantommaster**

Power you say, a single small Inquisitor can requisition ANYTHING in the Imperium if he has sufficient reason, so why not the entire Imperium (Billions if not trillions of people), including the Emperor, now thats a lot of power for a little guy.

**Ultimarr**

The Imperium is obviously in the top 1 or 2, since it is still alive after having pretty much everyone attack it. Which army to be specific? Witch Hunters. They killed a super-powerful emperor before, they pretty easily take over the imperium from the inside without anyone knowing.

I rank the rest in this order:

Imperium
Necrons
Nids
Chaos (and demons, who need the CSM to manifest)
Orks
Eldar
Tau
DE (Who are content stealing, slaving, and being awesome.)

Orcs are to crazy and..... crazy to band together to kill everything. Great potential, as someone else said, but not the most powerful ATM.

**riplikash**

So, what is firepower?

If we are talking about the theoretical amount of forces they have at their disposal then Chaos wins. But I don't like that definition. I'm going to disqualify Chaos. Due to the nature of the warp, yes they have theoretically unlimited firepower and manpower. But in the physical galaxy they are severely limited.

If we are talking pure manpower than obviously Orks and nids definitely have the most numbers, but I don't know that, that is the same thing as firepower. In a strait up megaton vs megaton match I think they are overpowered by the imperium. Yes they have a billion orks for every human out there, but the imperium probably has enough munitions to turn every orkish planet to ash, they just don't like using them for obvious reasons.

If we are talking about pure destructive potential than it gets complicated. Are the space marines, ad mech, and IG separate factions? I'm giving it to the Nids.

If we count humanity as a whole, I have to give it to them. They are probably the most capable of setting the entire galaxy ablaze, especially if you count ad-mech hidden technologies.

Finally, do we define it as who is most likely to defeat the other factions? Well I think it is obvious you only have losers...the Tau.

And possibly the Eldar, though I think they are capable of at least surviving. The Tau are living on borrowed time. Everyone is is locked into a perpetual stale mate by either physical, social, or political limitations.

**sniperjolly**

I'm fairly certain that the IoM has the orks outnumbered like 3:1, but 999 out of 1000 are scrubs with no fighting abilitys or gear. The imperium'S militarization rate is really, REALLY low, when compared to any modern country. I don't understand why they don't up the recrutment rate, on armaggdon, they could have had 60 billion conscripts easy, but they kept on going on with their lives even as their home hive was under seige.

**Lupe**

sniperjolly wrote:I'm fairly certain that the IoM has the orks outnumbered like 3:1, but 999 out of 1000 are scrubs with no fighting abilitys or gear. The imperium'S militarization rate is really, REALLY low, when compared to any modern country. I don't understand why they don't up the recrutment rate, on armaggdon, they could have had 60 billion conscripts easy, but they kept on going on with their lives even as their home hive was under seige.

Because if you're under siege (as in, literally cut off from all sources of reinforcements), then upping the recruitment rate to 100% will ensure that's one of the shortest sieges in history, since diverting people from manufacturing and food production is a really bad idea when you're short on everything.

**ChaosxVoid**

according to gw every race is equal, but id have to say crons..they rebuild they cant be eaten by nids and they have strong weapons and gods

**incarna**

Assuming the Tyranids have come from the closest large spiral galaxy Andromeda 2.7 million light years away (27 times the entire length of the Milky Way galaxy) the power necessary to traverse such a distance of empty void is unimaginable (there’s not even stars out there from which to draw solar power). The Tyranids, after making such an epic journey, swarm upon the life within our own galaxy in numbers untold requiring legendary sacrifices by billions of warriors from nearly every race to merely slow their advance.

The pinnacle of powerful races has to go to the Tyranids. They are unto the races of the 40k universe as a hurricane is to life here on earth – and as much an unstoppable force of nature.

**Dastardly Dave**

TBH, the nids have the galaxy beat, due to the fact there are just too many of them to resist, although I wonder what would happen if a have fleet went into the eye of terror?

I'm no expert on Cron fluff, but they don't seem like the sort of race that could be the most powerful in the galaxy, despite the advanced tech.

**Gwar!**

Dastardly Dave wrote:I'm no expert on Cron fluff, but they don't seem like the sort of race that could be the most powerful in the galaxy, despite the advanced tech.

The Crons already very nearly wiped out all life in the Galaxy. That is why they went to sleep. Now they are waking up, saying "oh bloody ell we left some bacteria alive" and going to finish the job.

**WarOne**

Humans obviously have the strongest (though tenuous) hold on the galaxy. The biggest threat to the Empire would be in my opinion (ranked by greatest to least threat):

Orks by sheer infiltration of their species on other worlds. As a faction they are middling region powers at best, but have the largest known exposure in the galaxy beyond humanity.

Chaos 'cause of what they represent to reality and the galaxy as a whole.

Tyranids because their numbers could plausibly be endless, albeit their offenses have been blunted by native Milky Way-ians.

Finally the Necrons because they hate all life, but at this point don't have the power yet to be considered the most powerful. Fluff-wise they could be, but not at this point.

**Noobtodagame**

I would have to go With Necrons, Tyranids or Chaos.

Necrons:By blocking out the warp it could possibly cripple the nids and WILL cripple just about everyone else.

Nids: Well they could eat just about everything.

Chaos: Always there in the warp with near limitless numbers.

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

Ultimarr wrote:The Imperium is obviously in the top 1 or 2, since it is still alive after having pretty much everyone attack it. Which army to be specific? Witch Hunters. They killed a super-powerful emperor before, they pretty easily take over the imperium from the inside without anyone knowing.

Woah woah woah woah... What? What sorta fluff are you reading? If anyone has a hold of the Imperium, it is indeed the High lords of Terra. They are the most oppressive dictators ever seen.

Also, the IG recruitment rate is actually quite high. It seems whole planets and many more regiments on other planets are all dedicated to shipping out troops. Heck, if it weren't for aggri-worlds, these planets wouldn't exist because they'd have no supplies. Besides, on almost every planet is found a mass factory or something. The only people who get out of doing hard labor is Nobility, and even they often serve in the PDF or Guard regiment for title and honor.

**sniperjolly**

If you actually look at numbers, it's tiny, I just used armageddon as an example, so, with a population of 300 civies to 1 fighter, when at peace (6,000,000,000 and 20,000,000 respectively) and with a population of at least 150 billion, (the cut off for hive worlds usually) simple arithmetic lands you with 50-80 billion well trained and well equiped men in times of peace, about three times as many as all the forces deployed during the third Armageddon war combined (not counting orks) I guess they simply didn't want their best of the best standards to slip.

**Locclo**

Imperium are number one at this point. Just the sheer number of armies at their disposal is enough to make you cry - Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Space Marines, the Mechanicum, the Custodes, and the Inquisition. Plus, every one of these has either massive numbers (Guard) or extremely elite members (Space Marines, Inquisition, and Custodes)

Following after them, I would have to say:

Tyranids
Chaos
Orks
Necrons
Eldar
Tau
Dark Eldar

Although to be fair, this list is more in terms of likelihood to do anything significant at the present time. Tyranids have the numbers, leadership (Hive Mind) and the force to do some real damage. Chaos and Orks fight amongst themselves too much, the grand majority of the Necrons are sleeping, Eldar are really only interested in the survival of their Craftworlds, Tau are too small at the moment, and Dark Eldar are more interested in slaving and pirating. While I agree that Necrons and Chaos have the most potential to do some real damage to the galaxy, Necrons won't do anything unless they all wake up and Chaos (Daemons included) need some way for truly massive numbers of Daemons to cross over to the Materium to do any real damage.

**phantommaster**

Necrons would beat Tyranids, because Tyranids want bio-organisms from the planets that they invade, Necrons are no longer bio-organisms so they are not interested in them, in fact they have a common cause, to destroy all life, yet then the Necrons would want to kill the Tyranids so it is kind of confusing on what would happen.

The Eldar would do quite well if they brought all the Craftworlds together in one final battle, the Necrons need more of them to wake up to do some serious damage, if they do wake up they have a good chance of winning, the Orks would do well if they all fought together, the Tyranids the same, Dark Eldar have little chance as they are not particularly bothered what happens, the Tau would be awesome but they just don't have the numbers or the proper willpower, Chaos SM needs people to turn to them for them to do real damage and that is not going to happen whilst the Inquisition is still running, and Chaos Daemons need a host, so they aren't going to amass properly with the Inquisition still running either, the entire Imperium is the only one properly banded together with great power, so they have to be my winners at the moment.

**Ratius**

Original question is a little undefined tbh.
Are you taking about military power, influence, territory, potential, sheer numbers?

I'd say Chaos probably, if you take into account every psyker in the Galaxy has the potential to allow a rift to open.

**Sasori**

I would have to say the Necrons.

So far, with just it's harvesting fleet, it's managed to land on Mars. I don't believe any other Xenos has come that close in a hostile manner.

If they can wake up the Void Dragon, and get the Outsider under control, the Galaxy is pretty much SOL. Necrons are the only real race to pose a threat to so much at once, with their goal of shutting off the warp. There are few things that can stand up to a C'tan right now, but if that happens... The C'tan would show the universe what a god really is...

**Leigen_Zero**

I think fluff-wise it is supposed to be that no matter what, it's all just a ticking time-bomb till the rest of the hive fleets arrive...

Personally I think it's like that scene from the simpsons where the doctor demonstrates using cuddly germs to Mr Burns how because he has so many diseases, they all get stuck in the doorway and so none can take over his body!

So unless one race gets an opening, they all end up cancelling each other out.