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I was told by a guy at a GW store that Khorne Berzerkers are the best CC troops in the game. What about Dark Eldar or actual Khorne Bloodletters?

Who is the ultimate close combat character of all 40k? I would guess the Bloodthirster.


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Or- a Banelord (Khorne Chaos Titan) with Doomfist.

Blood angel assualt terminators with lightning claws, a chaplin and brother Corborlo (<- wrong spelling)
S5
I5
Rerolling wounds and attacks

4 attacks charging 40 attacks!!!!

For their points, slugga boyz are difficult to beat

I love my zerkers, for not many more points than a tac marine you get something that kicks ass in cc.

"best" is relative- the game doesnt exist in a vacuum, so this thread is....difficult.

I'd have to say it's a close second third between bezerkers - (3+ armour) and Bloodletters (Power weapons).

But the infantry thats best imho is Bloodcrushers.

As for best Close Combat character - in a one on one, i'd say Skulltaker in a chariot, ID on a 4+

EagleArk wrote:Blood angel assualt terminators with lightning claws, a chaplin and brother Corborlo (<- wrong spelling)
S5
I5
Rerolling wounds and attacks

4 attacks charging 40 attacks!!!!

Don't black templars get the same thing if they bring assault terminators with the furious charge upgrade and an Emperors Champion with accept any challenge oath.

40 attacks on a charge at initiative 5 and str 5. Rerolling wounds and attacks for the whole combat rather than the round you assault. The Blood Angel way requires you to attach a chaplain and have corbulo (thats how its spelled) nearby. Templars just need the upgrade and a champion in the army.
(Templars might be less expensive too, but i don't feel like doing the math...)

As for the best lone guy in close combat i want to say Lysander

BA Terminators are not a troop choice.

Generally, I don't play troops geared towards cc since troops have different tasks in the 5th ed (occupying and holding objectives).

Genestealers and Orks are one of the best choices.

Well, in terms of Troops FOC slot CC choices, I think that it's gotta be the humble Boy.

I can't think of any other troops choice that can, using only 215 points, match the Slugga Boyz Mob in CC.

(disclaimer, this is in a vacuum. I know that other choices can outshoot them, flamer them, etc. Thanks)

@ Wuesten: Yes, troops are used for that, but they're also used to take the other team's objectives. Unless you're a green tide, an army with only CC oriented troops isn't optimal, but having a mix of shooty and fighty troops is great. Berzerkers are wicked for taking enemy objectives, even if they're not so hot sitting on your own.

This is one of those loaded questions that needs a little more clarity. Are you talking base troops? Elites that can become troops through HQ/Special Characters? Heinous combos? Stand alone, troops only choices? Too many options here.

As an ork player, I'd say a good vote would be Nob Bikers with bike Warboss. Or 30 cyborked 'ard boyz with Mad Doc and Ghazghkull attached. Or hell, combine the two and have 10 cyborked nobs with Ghaz and Mad Dok in a battlewagon.

If you're talking basic troops, no IC attachments, that sort of thing, Khorne Berserkers are hella nasty, as are Bloodletters. Genestealers, Deathwing assault terminators are also traditionally fearsome.

How are 'letters not infinitely better than 'zerkers again?

Guys he never said they had to be a troop choice he just said What are the best CC troops in the game no mention of troop choices.

30 Boyz, Cybork Bodies, and Mad Dok. 5+I save, FNP. Expensive-- but can't think of a single other unit in the 40k universe that can handle them 1v1 in CC.

Im going with genestealers, rending close combat attacks with the sheer volume of attacks at that initiative, hardly anything can beat that(I can't remember if the new codex has them as a troop choice.) Other then that bloodletters.

Depends on how big squad of berzerkers is. 10 is good, but 20 with a champion of khorne pwns all.

a full squad of PAGKs and a justicar with a Deamonhammer

they might not look like much but 20 attacks at Str6 WS5 can hurt most other troops badly

How about 10 wraithguard?

lordbug wrote:How about 10 wraithguard?

They're (annoyingly) tough, but that's about it.

Grey Templar wrote:a full squad of PAGKs and a justicar with a Deamonhammer

they might not look like much but 20 attacks at Str6 WS5 can hurt most other troops badly

Man has a point.

I do like my serephim though... hit and run is a fun rule and they are deapstriking 3 attacks per on the charge with faith.

I would go for a full squad of Ork shoota boyz with attendant Nob with power claw. That's a decent shooting threat coupled with a powerful charge that should see the back of any other comparable unit for its price.

10 Grey hunters for a low cost of 150 pts have 2 attacks a pop (close combat weapon and bolt pistol) they also have CA so charging isnt a issue so more then likely they will have 3 attacks in the first round of any combat that's awesome if you ask me. They also come with bolters and can get two flamers for free INSANITY (some of the best troops ive seen). But the best CC unit in the game goes to ymgarl genestealers pure and utter carnage in cc no other troops can do what they can imo.

Berzerkers lose to Harlies lose to Sluggas lose to Zerks?

Moving on to his second question Who is the best CC character in the game?

Im going with either Ghazghull Thrakka or The Nightbringer. Infact a Necron lord with Veil of darkness Destroyer body and Warsycth!

Tricky that... im gona go with the Lord becasue he has a larger move but no ranged attack unlike the Nightbringer...

Mmm... can som1 make the decicion for me.

I'm probably a bit biased, but I would say DE Wyches.

They might not bring the most raw power to a fight, but if you told me to pick 200 points to bring to an all in close combat brawl between specialist close combat unit, I would probably opt for the Wyches and laugh as I tarpit everyone.

That said, their true strength comes from being able to tarpit melee specialists WHILE the rest of your army goes to town on other units.

Drunkspleen wrote:I'm probably a bit biased, but I would say DE Wyches.

They might not bring the most raw power to a fight, but if you told me to pick 200 points to bring to an all in close combat brawl between specialist close combat unit, I would probably opt for the Wyches and laugh as I tarpit everyone.

That said, their true strength comes from being able to tarpit melee specialists WHILE the rest of your army goes to town on other units.

No.

Warboss/Nobz w/painboy and power claws got charged by TWO full Wytch squads and Archon/w Incubi. Combat lasted two turns, I lost a single wound on a Nob, and ate all three squads.

Gretchin with penknife best cc soldier in the game fact!

Sorry I can't hold it in mwahahahahahahahaha

Wolf Guard with all Frost Blades, Ragnar Blackmane Attatched.

up to 60 attacks at S6 I5 that ignore armor = win.

(and they have assault grenades, unlike Bloodletters)

If points are not a concern then also add in logan grimnar and or ulrik the slayer for rerolling lulz.

If points ARE a concern then drop frostblades down to power weps.

abaddon the despoiler

10 diversified Nobz with Ghazghkull and Grotsnik attached. 18" charge range, with a grand total of (assuming a 4/6 PK/BC split) 28 S9+ PK attacks and 24 S7 attacks on the charge, all at WS 5+. Oh, and they're all Fearless, with a 5+ Invulnerable save (Except Ghazghkull, his is a 2+), and FNP.

That unit runs you a bit over 800 points, but it absolutely EATS anything of comparable cost in CC.

give me 2 PAGK squads with psycannons and that nob squad will be toast in 2 turns. any charcoal left over will get a little NFW love later. You won't get any saves sides FNP. and just try and get ol'Ghaz an invuln and see him eat silver like a grot.

colonnello wrote:abaddon the despoiler

I have to diagree, I charged 16 termagants at him and killed him before he got to strike back!

Zerkers, or Genestealers