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I still dont understand why there is no new guard armies released by Games workshop I mean they are the most versatile (making wise) out of all the other 40k armies IMO

you mean like variants? Vostrens, Catachan and such.

Catachan has an codex online somewhere. I don't know if it is sanctioned.

The Armored Company is a sactioned codex that can be downloaded from Forge world (Lemun Russ's as troops FTW)


GW has cut all of the customization out of the last impierial codexs. SMs used to be able to select traits and disadvantages and Guard were the same till the new Dexs. you could buy Carapace armor for all your models for a dirt cheap price and you might not be able to pick certain units along with it, but so what.

GW has really made some people mad with their taking out of charactor possabilities.

Well, the most annoying thing they do is rewrite codexes to make certain units completely weak and/or disappear entirely, which is utter pants... and they do it all the time. Intentional or not, it sucks.

I agree that Guard should have more variant models; not sure they need "rules" per se; their codex is flexible enough to play several types. Any variant rules should be modest at best.

Does the really belong in Background and not General Discussion?

For such a massive organisation as the imperial guard there should be way more guard variants. And A hole host of Characters

Skarboy wrote:Well, the most annoying thing they do is rewrite codexes to make certain units completely weak and/or disappear entirely, which is utter pants... and they do it all the time. Intentional or not, it sucks.

It is intentional. It's called NMS (New Model Syndrome) GW makes the old things that were good bad & the old things that were bad or the new things good so you go out & buy more models & they get more money.

Because the marine make the most porfit out of all there stuff even if you put fantasy and lotr togeather, also they are just being lazy.

Paranormi4 wrote:For such a massive organisation as the imperial guard there should be way more guard variants. And A hole host of Characters

Because guards are not popular enough compared to SM to warrant them with so many variant factions.
Sure you have them in fluffs but not so much in models , because they want to push Space Marines , their Flagship Product.

What are peoples views on vostroyans, and cadians

vostroyans=ussr red army
cadian= idk, us armed forces
btw GW is too busy with their precious Blood Angels and other SMs. i wish they would actually give a little TLC to the Guard

I'd like to see the steel legion return with some new models, the gas masks just bring back that sense of world war 2 desperation and fear.

seconded

but vostroyans are based on cossaks and steel legion on the ss paratroopers


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I like steel legion but their models are all metal. i want DKOK but one unit of infantry costs around £40

So this about variants?
Last time GW poured out one, Vostroyans, all were metal.

I'd rather have some existant lines turn to plastic.

IIRC, IG has:

Cadia = basic IG , modern
Catachan = jungle, nam
Valhalla = ice world, russia
Tallarn = desert world, north afrika
Mordian = hive world, parade uniform
Vostroya = napoleonic design
Armageddon = ashe wastes, mechanized
Krieg = trench war, WW1
Elysian = paratroopers


Move the 3 non-FW and non-campaign armies to plastic ( Tallarn, Valhalla,Mordian ) and be done.

Paranormi4 wrote:I still dont understand why there is no new guard armies released by Games workshop I mean they are the most versatile (making wise) out of all the other 40k armies IMO

Yeah, why has GW only produced 10 completely different variants of Imperial Guard armies, while they flood the market with one variant each of the other 10 armies

1hadhq wrote:IIRC, IG has:

Cadia = basic IG , modern
Catachan = jungle, nam
Valhalla = ice world, russia
Tallarn = desert world, north afrika
Mordian = hive world, parade uniform
Vostroya = napoleonic design
Armageddon = ashe wastes, mechanized
Krieg = trench war, WW1
Elysian = paratroopers

Move the 3 non-FW and non-campaign armies to plastic ( Tallarn, Valhalla,Mordian ) and be done.

You forgot Praetorians (Victorian British Empire). And Vostroya is based on late 19th century Tsarist Russia. Valhalla Russia WW2. Mordia US West Point. Steel Legion/Armageddon German (paratroopers) WW2.

Kroothawk wrote:
You forgot Praetorians (Victorian British Empire). And Vostroya is based on late 19th century Tsarist Russia. Valhalla Russia WW2. Mordia US West Point. Steel Legion/Armageddon German (paratroopers) WW2.

Forgot the Mordians with head-swaps? Ok, there were pratorians ( for a very short time ).

Maybe the vostroyans go where the praetorians are right now.......OOP.

I dont like the praetorian models I prefer the mordians

I wish GW would make the Steel Legion or DKOK more available / cheaper. They're the only guard armies I really like. Probably won't happen but one can hope.

Sucks don't it.

If i recall correctly, there are also about eight Tanith metal models, but that's not really important.

Basically, the Guard are the most diverse army in 40k, and so need the models (plastic) for it. SM don't really need so many different models, it can be based mainly on paint schemes for variation, same for, ummm... Nids, Eldar, Chaos, Necrons, Tau, well...wow, EVERYONE ELSE.

To summarise, we, like the the Dark Eldar, are long overdue a re-haul of models (just not a new Codex).

If GW is listening, plastic Vostroyans would be much appreciated

1hadhq wrote:Forgot the Mordians with head-swaps? Ok, there were pratorians ( for a very short time ).

Yeah, for only about 14 years.
... and totally forgotten:
http://colgravis.blogspot.com/
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/206662.page

WhiteBishop wrote:Basically, the Guard are the most diverse army in 40k, and so need the models (plastic) for it. SM don't really need so many different models, it can be based mainly on paint schemes for variation, same for, ummm... Nids, Eldar, Chaos, Necrons, Tau, well...wow, EVERYONE ELSE.

Yeah, nothing is more static and uniform than Chaos and Tyranids

BTW here a list http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard

Nids can just be conversions and such. Guard armies have different specific armors, uniforms, lasgun patterns, etc. that you don't all get from Cadians or Catachans.

The guard book's versatile enough to do any kind of guard army you can think of. Way better than that horrible trait system from Fourth Ed.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:It is intentional. It's called NMS (New Model Syndrome) GW makes the old things that were good bad & the old things that were bad or the new things good so you go out & buy more models & they get more money.

This doesn't exist and you're a fool if you think it does.

It actually would be really nice for them to release some of the other regiments in plastic and really it wouldnt take that much work and boost there sales a bit. All they would really need to do is make a command box, heavy weapons boc and a infantry box and there they just pumped out a brand new guard army. I have only ever seen one other guard army that WASNT cadians and thats one of my good friends who uses vostroyans first born and there quite nice and a great change from the cadians being one of the main reasons he picked them up. With all the guard running around he wanted to be able to stand out one way or another.

IG have had plenty of love recently.

New codex -
New variant catachan and cadian.
New Leman Russ variants _+ plastics
New Transport options Valk and Vendetta
New Fast attack - Hellhound variants
New Super heavies.

Other regiments would be nice in plastic but probably wont see the light of day. Gw would have to commit to new molds, tooling and other production costs (which is expensive in plastic). The other regiments are in metal because GW see these a low volume sellers. I'm not sure a few people saying they want more options justifies investments in plastic tooling.

Eos Rahh wrote:It actually would be really nice for them to release some of the other regiments in plastic and really it wouldnt take that much work and boost there sales a bit. All they would really need to do is make a command box, heavy weapons boc and a infantry box and there they just pumped out a brand new guard army. I have only ever seen one other guard army that WASNT cadians and thats one of my good friends who uses vostroyans first born and there quite nice and a great change from the cadians being one of the main reasons he picked them up. With all the guard running around he wanted to be able to stand out one way or another.

If nobody buys the other 9 guard variants, why should GW produce another one?
BTW nothing is simpler than doing a new variant using Pig Iron/Westwind/Ramshackle/Maxmini heads or any of those human SciFi/Pulp armies of other manufacturers (e.g. Starship Trooper or Warzone for plastics).

What do you mean Kroothawk of course nobodies gonna buy the other variants because their mainly metal and cost more as their only avaliable online.

And MR Burning i agree the IG have had new releases but whats the point if there all for cadians or catachan (mainly.)

I'm going to be in trouble if they ever release plastic Vahallans

Kroothawk wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
Cadia = basic IG , modern
Catachan = jungle, nam
Valhalla = ice world, russia
Tallarn = desert world, north afrika
Mordian = hive world, parade uniform
Vostroya = napoleonic design
Armageddon = ashe wastes, mechanized
Krieg = trench war, WW1
Elysian = paratroopers

You forgot Praetorians (Victorian British Empire). And Vostroya is based on late 19th century Tsarist Russia. Valhalla Russia WW2. Mordia US West Point. Steel Legion/Armageddon German (paratroopers) WW2.

You forgot Tanith (jungle modern).

RT plastic:
- generics (Necromunda)

2E metal:
- Cadia
- Catachan
- Mordian
- Praetorian
- Tallarn
- Vallhallan

3E metal:
- Armageddon (Steel Legion)
- Tanith (First & Only)

4E metal
- Vostroyan

FW:
- Elysian
- Krieg

I didn't forget them, as they were mentioned in the post above mine (only one box of special characters though IIRC).
Add Mordians and Steel legion to 2E metals.

BTW more plastic non-GW IG-models by AT-43 (UNA and Red Block), incl. Sentinels.

Didn't the Catachan codex pretty much flop in 3rd edition? That was despite it also being a 'jungle battle' codex as well.

As a huge Imperial Guard fan I realise that the only thing that's ever really going to happen to Guard is that they release a modified Vahallan and Steel Legion combined plastic set.

And even then, if they do that, the internet will whinge that neither of them ever look 'quite right.'