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2014/03/28 23:19:02
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
PuddlePirate wrote: Question. If these guys are to be their own army and seeing that stormtroopers have disappeared from the IG elite section, do we (IG) need to ally them in order to get stormtroopers?
I'm guessing the IG codex will have the rules for Storm Troopers still, but we won't know until the codex comes out a few weeks (or we get more leaks!).
*fingers crossed*
2014/03/28 23:33:40
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
TheSilo wrote: I was really expecting more than just Scions and Taurox. Did anyone else think that there'd be more than just these two units for a whole codex? Or is everything now the Imperial Knights style?
Well, there's also Commissars and I expect a few of the IG transport vehicles will be available to the MT too. Maybe a few other units, like Bullgryns. But yes, basically, new armies are going to be restricted to a very small range of models. GW just aren't going to sink a large investment into something new and untested.
At least with the new system of unit-light codexes which can be allied to other armies, we have a bit more opportunity to see new stuff. If they release an Adeptus Mechanicus, Arbites, Genestealer Cult or Kroot Mercenaries list, they will have to make a whole 'army' out of a couple of kits. This model lets them do that.
PuddlePirate wrote: Question. If these guys are to be their own army and seeing that stormtroopers have disappeared from the IG elite section, do we (IG) need to ally them in order to get stormtroopers?
I'm guessing the IG codex will have the rules for Storm Troopers still, but we won't know until the codex comes out a few weeks (or we get more leaks!).
*fingers crossed*
If they aren't in the codex I suggest dropping the hobby, because it means the gouge train is only going to get worse as GWs desperate thrashing continues.
Rick Priestley said it best:
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2014/03/28 23:56:44
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
I love the commander with the great coat...I hate that he's got only a puny little dagger..and I'm pretty sure there's no way you can have him hold a power sword or any other melee weapons without some slicin' and fiddling around with glue and greenstuff..and even then it'll look weird
2014/03/29 00:03:43
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
Who cares dude. Nobody studies these. Suspension wont work regardless. Its a model made by people who have nothing to do with mechanics. Get over it now I think. If you dont like it, you dont like it.
If you are gonna look for technical difficulties then stop looking at warhammer 40k once you have read the title. You will save yourself a lot of time and money if things like suspension bother you.
2014/03/29 00:07:36
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Inquisitor Jex wrote: I love the commander with the great coat...I hate that he's got only a puny little dagger..and I'm pretty sure there's no way you can have him hold a power sword or any other melee weapons without some slicin' and fiddling around with glue and greenstuff..and even then it'll look weird
The dagger hand looks separate from the coat arm. The dagger he's holding looks like part 59 on the bottom of sprue 2.
Just use a different hand.
2014/03/29 00:08:00
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
PuddlePirate wrote: Question. If these guys are to be their own army and seeing that stormtroopers have disappeared from the IG elite section, do we (IG) need to ally them in order to get stormtroopers?
I'm guessing the IG codex will have the rules for Storm Troopers still, but we won't know until the codex comes out a few weeks (or we get more leaks!).
*fingers crossed*
If they aren't in the codex I suggest dropping the hobby, because it means the gouge train is only going to get worse as GWs desperate thrashing continues.
Fully agree. Really hope it doesn't come to that and Stormtroopers are still in the guard book. Pretty confident but hey, this is GW
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2014/03/29 00:11:15
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
Who cares dude. Nobody studies these. Suspension wont work regardless. Its a model made by people who have nothing to do with mechanics. Get over it now I think. If you dont like it, you dont like it.
If you are gonna look for technical difficulties then stop looking at warhammer 40k once you have read the title. You will save yourself a lot of time and money if things like suspension bother you.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Nobody studies these", I totally disagree. Almost everyone does to varying degrees. Especially when it's simply modern science. Eldar and Necrons can get away with a lot because we assume it's out of our understanding. IG vehicles very much use technology we have now so it can destroy the cool-factor when you see something stupid.
That said, I don't actually know what is the problem with the Taurox suspension that Az is talking about. It has a big thick beam as the main suspension linkage, a bushing at the chassis side and a bushing at the track side and a shock absorber above. The main thing about the Taurox suspension is the track itself has no suspension and the vertical travel is tiny for an off road vehicle, so even though it has suspension, it does not have the suspension of an off road vehicle and would rattle like a bastard.
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2014/03/29 00:14:46
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
Who cares dude. Nobody studies these. Suspension wont work regardless. Its a model made by people who have nothing to do with mechanics. Get over it now I think. If you dont like it, you dont like it.
If you are gonna look for technical difficulties then stop looking at warhammer 40k once you have read the title. You will save yourself a lot of time and money if things like suspension bother you.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Nobody studies these", I totally disagree. Almost everyone does to varying degrees.
True, people study them, but no one will pick up this tank randomly if they see you using one and look at the suspension, motor, track width and fuel type etc. Its a bit over board.
2014/03/29 00:31:48
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
TheSilo wrote: I was really expecting more than just Scions and Taurox. Did anyone else think that there'd be more than just these two units for a whole codex? Or is everything now the Imperial Knights style?
Well, there's also Commissars and I expect a few of the IG transport vehicles will be available to the MT too. Maybe a few other units, like Bullgryns. But yes, basically, new armies are going to be restricted to a very small range of models. GW just aren't going to sink a large investment into something new and untested.
At least with the new system of unit-light codexes which can be allied to other armies, we have a bit more opportunity to see new stuff. If they release an Adeptus Mechanicus, Arbites, Genestealer Cult or Kroot Mercenaries list, they will have to make a whole 'army' out of a couple of kits. This model lets them do that.
I get that they would be cautious about launching a whole new line out of the blue. But here's the thing, the MT codex costs $50. When they released Codex: Assassins, it cost about $5.00, and was about 15 pages and had four assassins. Codex: Catachans was like $15.00 and prolly 20-30 pages with a modified IG army list and extensive new jungle rules. MT is being launched as a whole new army with a $50 codex. If they wanted to test the waters, why not launch a $5.00 data-slate with rules for a storm trooper force and the new taurox model? Ebooks are perfect for launching small quantities of published products. Putting the money into publishing hard-cover codices priced at $50 seems insane to me. This isn't a two-year update to IG, it's coming out literally two weeks before the new IG codex. If the Scions and Taurox are in the Astra MIlitarum codex then fine, they'll still sell models, but the MT codex seems like such a weird waste of time and effort for a weak launch.
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2014/03/29 00:33:54
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Inquisitor Jex wrote: I love the commander with the great coat...I hate that he's got only a puny little dagger..and I'm pretty sure there's no way you can have him hold a power sword or any other melee weapons without some slicin' and fiddling around with glue and greenstuff..and even then it'll look weird
The dagger hand looks separate from the coat arm. The dagger he's holding looks like part 59 on the bottom of sprue 2.
Just use a different hand.
Well, that's what I said; since there are no extra hand, I will need to chop the chainsword/powersword hand and fiddle around in the hopes it'll match and won't look horrible.
It's nice they put all the options in one kit, but it appears that if I want a commander with great coat, I'm 'stuck' with the dagger-of course the coat could work with another arm, but right now it seems to be a dagger hand only that fits
2014/03/29 00:39:25
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
TheSilo wrote: I was really expecting more than just Scions and Taurox. Did anyone else think that there'd be more than just these two units for a whole codex? Or is everything now the Imperial Knights style?
Well, there's also Commissars and I expect a few of the IG transport vehicles will be available to the MT too. Maybe a few other units, like Bullgryns. But yes, basically, new armies are going to be restricted to a very small range of models. GW just aren't going to sink a large investment into something new and untested.
At least with the new system of unit-light codexes which can be allied to other armies, we have a bit more opportunity to see new stuff. If they release an Adeptus Mechanicus, Arbites, Genestealer Cult or Kroot Mercenaries list, they will have to make a whole 'army' out of a couple of kits. This model lets them do that.
I get that they would be cautious about launching a whole new line out of the blue. But here's the thing, the MT codex costs $50. When they released Codex: Assassins, it cost about $5.00, and was about 15 pages and had four assassins. Codex: Catachans was like $15.00 and prolly 20-30 pages with a modified IG army list and extensive new jungle rules. MT is being launched as a whole new army with a $50 codex. If they wanted to test the waters, why not launch a $5.00 data-slate with rules for a storm trooper force and the new taurox model? Ebooks are perfect for launching small quantities of published products. Putting the money into publishing hard-cover codices priced at $50 seems insane to me. This isn't a two-year update to IG, it's coming out literally two weeks before the new IG codex. If the Scions and Taurox are in the Astra MIlitarum codex then fine, they'll still sell models, but the MT codex seems like such a weird waste of time and effort for a weak launch.
I'm suprised there is a printed codex actualy. i was sure mt was fallowing the model of LoTD and =][=
Bus i suspect the tourox will be a dedicated transport option, along with the valkarie. The commisars will be an HQ choice, possibly the only HQ choice, and the storm troopers will be scoring elites.
2014/03/29 00:43:55
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (new pics added 25th March)
Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
Who cares dude. Nobody studies these. Suspension wont work regardless. Its a model made by people who have nothing to do with mechanics. Get over it now I think. If you dont like it, you dont like it.
Actually, the same thing with the arms connected to the top of the track unit would at least look like it worked. I agree, nobody studies these, I spotted it a fractions of a second because I have a fething clue how things like this are supposed to work.
Interested what it is I need to "get over" as I was simply commentating on an earlier discussion based in something I'd observed and added a further observation of something else on the model that doesn't "work?"
If you are gonna look for technical difficulties then stop looking at warhammer 40k once you have read the title. You will save yourself a lot of time and money if things like suspension bother you.
Well thank you, oh patronising one, I can't believe I've wasted twenty five years being involved with 40K, only for your comments to cause the scales to fall from my eyes!
Or, alternately, I might just carry on, ignore your sage words, and just occasionally comment on things which jump out at me, and break my suspension of disbelief in a thread that is pertinent to those things?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I'm getting one ST box, perhaps two if they paint nicely!
But I really don't understand why people are so upset with the ST dex price. I agree that GW is grasping at straws but if all you want are the stats everything is already online. You can even buy the WD if you fell you have to give GW money for your ease of mind. For all I care GW can split the IG in five, as long as I only play with friends the worst it can happen is that I continue playing with the current dex.
On the other hand I pity TOs , with dataslates, codexes and codex supplements soon making a tournament list is going to be like a puzzle.
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2014/03/29 00:54:29
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
I wouldn't worry too much about the Storm troopers not being on the IG page on the website. The taurox isn't there either, and we know it will be part of the IG codex.
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2014/03/29 00:56:01
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Is this the first hardcover stand-alone Codex that is direct only and English only?
Hope the rumours that everyone buying the Scions now for his IG army will have to buy the English 39€/50$ extra book to actually play them are nonsense. That would also make it the first stand-alone Codex that is not stand-alone.
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Well I guess that puts paid to the whether the turret can actually function or not discussion!
Also, sci fi or no, what exactly is the suspension supposed to do when bolted together like that?!!
Spoiler:
Who cares dude. Nobody studies these. Suspension wont work regardless. Its a model made by people who have nothing to do with mechanics. Get over it now I think. If you dont like it, you dont like it.
Actually, the same thing with the arms connected to the top of the track unit would at least look like it worked. I agree, nobody studies these, I spotted it a fractions of a second because I have a fething clue how things like this are supposed to work.
Interested what it is I need to "get over" as I was simply commentating on an earlier discussion based in something I'd observed and added a further observation of something else on the model that doesn't "work?"
If you are gonna look for technical difficulties then stop looking at warhammer 40k once you have read the title. You will save yourself a lot of time and money if things like suspension bother you.
Well thank you, oh patronising one, I can't believe I've wasted twenty five years being involved with 40K, only for your comments to cause the scales to fall from my eyes!
Or, alternately, I might just carry on, ignore your sage words, and just occasionally comment on things which jump out at me, and break my suspension of disbelief in a thread that is pertinent to those things?
Good work Azreal, after 25 years you can feel pride in yourself about being able to spot technical faults in heroic scale vehicles made by a company whom makes models that resemble flying boxes and many others have little to no plausible way of working. Must be great, being able to point those out. I sure am jealous. Maybe after 25 years I hope I can be so cool and do it too! Jee Wizz Mister.
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2014/03/29 01:02:18
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Due to my, apparently substantially, greater life experience, it is much easier for this to be broken for me. If you're of an age where toy cars have still played a greater part in your life than real ones, I understand why things wouldn't be as jarring for you, should you notice them.
Once things are seen, they cannot be unseen.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Or are you somehow saying that a 1/72 scale model kit is somehow more or less subject to the laws of physics than a 1/38?
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Well, I guess it's time to finally ebay my 30+ old school Inquisitorial STs!
I would like a word before!
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2014/03/29 01:12:20
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Or are you somehow saying that a 1/72 scale model kit is somehow more or less subject to the laws of physics than a 1/38?
No heroic scale is very very unnatural. Surely as a human you can look at a cadian and realize that having hands and a head like that is not natural and will not work. Let alone a space marine. Heroic and true scale a different. So if you enjoy space marines, im sure you can let some technical faults slide. You may want to try true scale kits.
Also how do you explain transports if realism is so important that the suspension needs to be looked at?
2014/03/29 01:14:55
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Or are you somehow saying that a 1/72 scale model kit is somehow more or less subject to the laws of physics than a 1/38?
No heroic scale is very very unnatural. Surely as a human you can look at a cadian and realize that having hands and a head like that is not natural and will not work. Let alone a space marine. Heroic and true scale a different. So if you enjoy space marines, im sure you can let some technical faults slide. You may want to try true scale kits.
Also how do you explain transports if realism is so important that the suspension needs to be looked at?
If we were discussing how it would be impossible to fit 10 men into the back of the vehicle as it is modelled, you'd have a point.
But we're not, just like we aren't discussing that Cadian's head and hands are too big, we are discussing whether the details of the Taurox have internal logic, plausibility or consistency, which they don't. A more appropriate comparison would be if the Cadian's lasguns all had a 90 degree bend in them, which they obviously don't, but that could also be hand waved away by "sci-fi" and "made up." But the fact that guns, like vehicles, have real world, contemporary analogues, means anyone with even a basic knowledge of these things will know that something is inherently "wrong" and if they notice it, this may break their SoD, and this isn't really desirable in this context.
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I don't need to explain transports, they already exist as real world military vehicles, and there are numerous explanations in fluff, that while perhaps not bullet proof, go some way to explaining why, in the far future, the alternate ways of getting from A to B on the battlefield aren't always possible or desirable.
Also, please stop suggesting things "I might want to try" if I want recommendations on something, I'll start a thread in the appropriate forum. Thx!
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 