Ork rumours - First post updated 20th June

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**Leerjawise**

PhillyT wrote:
That does look like the old style abs, but look at the vest flapping. I could be the biker boyz torso, but my money is on the body being the new kit.

I do not recognize the legs either, so must be the flash glitz.

Yeah it appears to be a new torso, one of his nipples is pierced (or something metallic poking out of his jacket), but with a different piercing and on the opposite side of the biker boy, Love new torsos, by I am reallyl excited by the 11 new heads

**Multimoog**

Also: how awesome are those new bosspole glyphs? I could see snipping the gun ones off and using them on vehicles, or making some big versions out of plasticard for a morkanaut.

**zammerak**

Orks can never truly have to many heads, torsos, arm's, or bitz. Bring on the new kits!!

**Greyhound**

Multimoog wrote:
it might be worth buying a second box of Gitz to model into a Freebooter-themed Nob unit with leftover parts from the Nob box.

I wonder if the Nobs in boys mob will still be able to have a big shoota.
If they do I will model my flash gitz using the plasma/rokkits, and keep the shoota guns to make nob with big shoota, painted yellow as Bad Moons nobs.

Fluff wise and rule wise I will be pretty close, and the only difference between a big shoota and a snazzgun is range and AP.
Actually the more I compare it and the more I realise that Nobs with big shootas are now expensive compared to Flash gitz
Boy's Nob with big shoota and bosspole is 4 points more than the git, but does not have the gitfinda. He does have however the option to purchase better armour, boys to cushion him, and of course has access to Powa Klaw.

**Talandar**

That seems like kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison, to me (new rules v. old) I'll bet we get reduced-cost nobz in the new codex. Maybe not by a lot, but some.

**MajorWesJanson**

Talandar wrote:
That seems like kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison, to me (new rules v. old) I'll bet we get reduced-cost nobz in the new codex. Maybe not by a lot, but some.

Well, flash gitz dropped 3 points, but also lost heavy armor, gained stikk bombz and bosspoles, and the Snazzgun changed.
Nobz will likely stay the same price as now, but pick up stikk bombz and a boss pole, or maybe just the stikk bombz and drop 2-3 points.
I'd like to see Nobz in boyz units gain the full range of nob weapon options.
I'm also thinking that eavy armor will still be an option, maybe in the armory instead of in the unit entries.

The BoLS rumors on buggies is nice, and would be great for a 5th kit. Hopefully parts will be compatible with the Trukk and batlewagon. And Supashoota instead of big shoota is handy. Still, it's a rumor from BoLS. meaning reliably is rather low, though the rumors are not downright idiotic like what Faeit throws out there.

**Leerjawise**

Lol, its kinda funny looking at the front page of the BOLS rumor roundup and seeing how much of it was complete BS

**Greyhound**

Talandar wrote:
That seems like kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison, to me (new rules v. old) I'll bet we get reduced-cost nobz in the new codex. Maybe not by a lot, but some.

I'd hope so, I am usually putting a big shoota on my nobs in boys mob, so I know what "bang for my bucks" I'm getting, I was simply comparing the flash git to actual "reference" that can deliver very similar value, it's good to know the gitz are better

What do you guys think the "freebota" noise is about?
It feels like a dataslate / formation of super "elite" nobs and gitz maybe with some fun rules and/or an allied chart which read: "will ork for teeth" - and allow anyone to pick up some ork pirates as allies.

**Toburk**

Greyhound wrote:
Talandar wrote:
That seems like kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison, to me (new rules v. old) I'll bet we get reduced-cost nobz in the new codex. Maybe not by a lot, but some.

I'd hope so, I am usually putting a big shoota on my nobs in boys mob, so I know what "bang for my bucks" I'm getting, I was simply comparing the flash git to actual "reference" that can deliver very similar value, it's good to know the gitz are better

What do you guys think the "freebota" noise is about?
It feels like a dataslate / formation of super "elite" nobs and gitz maybe with some fun rules and/or an allied chart which read: "will ork for teeth" - and allow anyone to pick up some ork pirates as allies.

I'm pretty sure they're talking about "freebotas" as a faction rather than a unit type. It's a nob with a big choppa, who is also a freeboota, although I wouldn't consider a formation that mentions them unlikely.

Also, the "flashgit" in the picture doesn't have one of the new snazzguns, it's the arms and handle/trigger from the nob kit's kombi shoota with a bolter's box magazine, a melta barrel, and the tip of an ork exhaust pipe.

**quickfuze**

pretre wrote:
Davespil wrote:
Release the models before the rules so people don't see how crappy the units are that they are buying.

The rules for them are in the WD, same time as release.

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger. Same thing as the people that say the helldrake deserved the Over-the-top nerf it received. Yes as a stand alone unit is was powerful....REALLY powerful....but when you look at in context with the Chaos codex as a whole its really not. It made CSM competitive. Now take the Riptide. On its own its a good unit, but I would say not OP. Now put it with the rest of the army which has LOTS of good in it and suddenly the synergy makes it over-the-top.

**adamsouza**

You can't just say "Strawman Argument" every time you disagree with someone.

You made a statement, he responded with something he thought was relalvent.

**quickfuze**

adamsouza wrote:
You can't just say "Strawman Argument" every time you disagree with someone.

You made a statement, he responded with something he thought was relalvent.

What are you talking about? this is my first post on this topic....

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm trying to find the straw. I can't see any.

**chimay**

Kaptin Badrukk is in issue 19 as I understand it, but just fluff. Same model no mention of if/how to take him or Stateline. Some comments that they'd like to do freebooters supplement but no commitment or definite yes.

**Clang**

Yes, p19 of the new WDW has a blurb about Badrukk, but no rules, and the photo's just the existing model (unless it's been cunningly remade in plastic?)

Logic would suggest that he will therefore be in the new codex.

**Death By Monkeys**

I've been thinking about getting back into Warhammer Fantasy lately in addition to my 40k habit, and seeing the Flashgitz has now got me thinking about using the bitz to make a Freebooterz-style O&G army.

**prowla**

Greyhound wrote:

What do you guys think the "freebota" noise is about?
It feels like a dataslate / formation of super "elite" nobs and gitz maybe with some fun rules and/or an allied chart which read: "will ork for teeth" - and allow anyone to pick up some ork pirates as allies.

They do like to release those slates and supplements.. Given the pirate-style Gitz, my guess is that a Freebootaz supplement would appear soon.

**Gargskull**

This trickle release plan is frustrating but whatever, I was going to wait until it's all out anyway before I decide what I'm buying.

**Solar Shock**

quickfuze wrote:
pretre wrote:
Davespil wrote:

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger. quote]

This is exactly right imo.

When building an army the overall aim is a force which works as a whole and in reality we cannot make any decisions at all about whether to take a unit or not until the dex hits (competitive mind state ofc). Im grabbing a gitz box purely for the conversion bits and bobs. The whole 6 week release (if it truly turns out to be 6 weeks) is a marketing gimmick, with the overall aim of selling as many units as possible of every type. GW is a commercial business and to that end will think with profit in mind.

If they say released the Dex and all the units in one fell swoop then what would happen? we'd all list build then buy what we need. what happens when every week we see a new awesome ork unit up for pre-order? we most likely pre-order each one every week till the dex hits and then we have the dex and all the units.

Glad to see some fluff on Badrukk made it to WD, logically this would point more to him making an appearance in the dex (based on that what would be the point in talking about him otherwise?), or that he will appear in a suppliment.

**Jidmah**

Solar Shock wrote:
This is exactly right imo.

When building an army the overall aim is a force which works as a whole and in reality we cannot make any decisions at all about whether to take a unit or not until the dex hits (competitive mind state ofc). Im grabbing a gitz box purely for the conversion bits and bobs. The whole 6 week release (if it truly turns out to be 6 weeks) is a marketing gimmick, with the overall aim of selling as many units as possible of every type. GW is a commercial business and to that end will think with profit in mind.

If they say released the Dex and all the units in one fell swoop then what would happen? we'd all list build then buy what we need. what happens when every week we see a new awesome ork unit up for pre-order? we most likely pre-order each one every week till the dex hits and then we have the dex and all the units.

Glad to see some fluff on Badrukk made it to WD, logically this would point more to him making an appearance in the dex (based on that what would be the point in talking about him otherwise?), or that he will appear in a suppliment.

If the rumor is right, and his old model is in the White Dwarf, his chances of going away have massively dropped. GW wouldn't show off a model they are about to give the axe.

**lord_blackfang**

quickfuze wrote:

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger.

You're assuming we're all rabid powergamers who can't do anything other than spam the most broken unit in the codex.

As it turns out, many of us are happy to buy cool models on looks alone. If they're decent on the table, that's gravy.

**rtb01**

The gitz look awesome. Rule of cool beats number crunching. I'll be pre ordering some and fixing their ride (land raider/battlewagon) in preparation!

**Looky Likey**

This multi week release is doing my 'ead in, want to buy the flash gitz and I want to spread the contents of the box over many more models as I have plenty of pirate heads and spare bodies but I know if I do that now some other awesome sets will come out and I'll regret building just using the flash gitz bits. So I'm going to sit out for a few weeks till we have clarity over what is coming out.

**Steve steveson**

lord_blackfang wrote:
quickfuze wrote:

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger.

You're assuming we're all rabid powergamers who can't do anything other than spam the most broken unit in the codex.

As it turns out, many of us are happy to buy cool models on looks alone. If they're decent on the table, that's gravy.

The only way to play orks. Style over substance every time.

**PhillyT**

Once more, people are acting as though the mandate is to buy the models the day of release. Wait for the book and get it then.

THe models look great, you have a reasonable idea of their rules. If that isn't enough to make you want them, comparing theoretical changes to other heavy choices isn't going to change your mind.

**zachwho**

Steve steveson wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
quickfuze wrote:

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger.

You're assuming we're all rabid powergamers who can't do anything other than spam the most broken unit in the codex.

As it turns out, many of us are happy to buy cool models on looks alone. If they're decent on the table, that's gravy.

The only way to play orks. Style over substance every time.

no that's not the only way to play orks, i play orks to stomp, main, dakka, smash, kill and win with them. i prefer the conquer all before you aspect of the orks over the Farris Bueller side.

I guess I'm part of the crowd that sees orks as more than grim dark comic relief in pirate hats.

**Dez**

I ended up sending an email to my LGS to order me one of everything...and 2 boxes of Flash Gitz. May as well have 3 full units of 10, though I am hoping for a supplement where Gitz are troops. Then I'll kitbash a bunch, I have enough Nobz waiting for conversions.

I've also have to finish up their rides. I have kitbashed together 2 battlewagons made from Valkyries and Battlewagons, I figure they'd be dropping into orbit from their Kill Krooza kinda like Thunderhawks. Only makes sense to have their drop ship also have tracks and be their ground transport, amirite?

**ciaflayed1**

Gargskull wrote:
This trickle release plan is frustrating but whatever, I was going to wait until it's all out anyway before I decide what I'm buying.

My local store owner was rather disheartened when I told him the same thing. I don't wanna buy a bunch of models that are going to be lame in the new codex. I'm already worried how bad my Nob Mob (8 Nobz - Choppa/Slugga, 1 Nob - Waagh! banner/PK, Painboy, all Cybork Bodies) that run with my Warboss, is going to get nerfed! Last game I ran them in, they shredded Marines like they were in IG armor.

**illuknisaa**

Steve steveson wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
quickfuze wrote:

Strawman argument. Seeing the rules in a snapshot of themselves does nothing for us when deciding what should be buying. At face value, a decent enough gun with a meh range. They may very wel be worth $10 a model (/sarc). However, if we later get the codex and find out that the killa kan stayed the same points but now has FA14 and 3hp a piece.....well holy jesus! the gitz become a shelf hanger.

You're assuming we're all rabid powergamers who can't do anything other than spam the most broken unit in the codex.

As it turns out, many of us are happy to buy cool models on looks alone. If they're decent on the table, that's gravy.

The only way to play orks. Style over substance every time.

So basically you have no idea what orks are.

Orks know what is best in life.

Being conserned with style is closer to slaanesh not orks.

**Musibatkhan**

@SquidBot

you said that you saw a model for A new Warboss. Similar to the AOBR one but bigger and with a Squig at his feet.

I think we are going to get a new character for Orks that is mentioned in the 7th edition book Dark millennium.

The one I'm talking about is Grukk Da Face Rippa. He is said to be really big.

If the artwork at the end of the Ork section is his portrait then he does have a Squig chained to him.

So my question to you is did you see this new warboss with a Big Choppa or a Power Klaw?

If its Power Klaw then its definitely Grukk Da Face Rippa!

and we will be able to take part in his RED WAAAAAAGH!