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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/12 20:12:43
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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We've all heard of, or worse, had, painting/ sculpting services stop all communication. I'm now a proud member of both camps, but I'm only out my time. My question to the community... why do these guys think it's ok to act like a WWII U-boat Captain and cut all communication?
I'm patient and understanding, as long as you're upfront with me. I accept that this might not be your day job. I understand that real life can rear its ugly head and interrupt the best laid plans. Ignoring messages is not being upfront. It's 2010. It's easy to tell when someone has logged onto a website and/or read a PM/ e-mail. Is it really that  hard to man up and tell someone you were not able to get the job done yet?
Here's what I'd consider good customer service. Messed up? Tell your customer immediately. Own your mistake like a man. Don't give excuses because they're bs and we know it. Accept responsibility for your actions and continue to work on the project. Good work AND good communication will keep customers happy and coming back for more. Good work and no communication won't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/12 20:19:38
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Executing Exarch
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If I had to guess I would say that most of the fly by night painters are under age.
My advice is to ask for a tax ID number, anyone that does more than $500 a year in commissions is required to have one. Moreover it gives you a way to track the shady ones down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 03:02:35
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Dankhold Troggoth
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I think this reflects how most people frustrated with a commission feel... I've been there, twice actually!
I don't have an answer, I've had more success recently, though! Perhaps just making sure the person is legitimate, getting a phone number, etc... but it's hard to know, since sometimes even very legitimate looking painters can zonk out.
Best to let your customers know! Most are very understanding if they've been informed when delays / mistakes / circumstances occur.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 03:05:05
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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RiTides wrote:
Best to let your customers know! Most are very understanding if they've been informed when delays / mistakes / circumstances occur.
Up to a point, most individuals are understanding of such instances. After a few months go by... well, we start getting transaction reports on the Swap Shop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 07:12:36
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
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Wow. First off, I wouldn't accept a commission I didn't think I could complete, attempt or overbook projects. I'm thinking that could be a major factor, but I'm new at this and wouldn't even think about just not contacting a customer no matter what.
I'm human, so if I quoted a time and it will take a little longer; then so be it and I'd let them know. as it was said above, real-life happens. But as a full-time painter, I'm going to make sure the time quoted is well within my ability with a day or two of 'wiggle room' should something unexpected happen.
A few months go by? Wow, if I can't get a decent-sized project done in 7-10 days, then I'm in over my head and shouldn't have taken it in the first place.
I hate seeing these threads turn up, thinking it will put off those seeking to commission work; but then again it shows me what is happening out there and then what I can do in my processes to see that it never happens to my customers (and you can bet damned well that it won't). That's free market research, you can't buy info like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 14:15:03
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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I mostly don't subscribe to the idea of sell-sword painters strictly on a basis of cost: I'd rather have more models. I don't have a problem in the world with the idea, however; so long as the owner treats them and publicly acknowledges them as such. If it works for others, then by Jove have at it!
But if I were going to do it, I would be exceedingly leery of going out onto the net. There are plenty of good painters in my store that I can lay my hands on, and who know me personally. IF I felt I had to go out over the net, I would use someone who has either been in business since Christ was a Corporal, or who came highly recommended to me with a traiil of projects completed on time on target on budget that went on for pages. I am leery of any internet painting service startup simply because I have seen SO many people, some of them very good people, get snowed under and end up butt- fething themselves and their clients in their efforts to try and get a clientele going by offering low prices and short turn arounds. Good luck to all those giving it a go; I think that with as many people as try it and get swamped that there at least has to be a market for it! Good luck to those ballsy enough to risk their minis and money to try a new service out; you deserve a good return simply for having the guts to give it a go.
s far as the comms issue, I would hazard to think that they aren't thinking that going EMCON is a GOOD idea; it seems more that they are not up to facing the consequences of their actions and failures. Facing failure is tough sometimes, especially when you start out with good intentions. Seems ot me that these people make the choice because it seems the easiest of a the bad choices in front of them. Not that I agree or am defending that mindset, but just chucking that concept out there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 14:54:31
Subject: Re:Commission Service Radio Silence
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Ive recently came across this same issue in my game world. It was with a person I know from my shop though.
Back in December I volunteered at a gameshop in Charleson WV, and one of our customers was looking for ways to earn money to get her husband some GW stuff before he redeployed. Well long story short I managed to get her here the stuff she needed and she would paint my pieces since she was looking for commission work, and was rather good at painting. We established some ground rules when we made the deal. We were under the assumption that the Eigth Edition rules would be out by March. I was new to WHFB and thought I would just wait until a new rule book came out so I dont learn two different styles of rules for nothing. She would paint the miniatures I gave her, and whatever pieces were unassembled and she couldnt find the pieces for I would assemble and give back to her. She promised a month would be all she need, but I insisted that she didnt have to rush, and just have them out before the new rules.
Well March came along and I wanted to see how she was doing with them. She said she was almost done, and would be finishing up the ones I gave her soon, and would start work on the ones that I got to her more recently. She promised pictures, and would even bring some of the models that were done to a huge 40k tournament so she could show off what she had done and seek some other clients. She never showed, and has not shown pictures to me yet. Her Husband was never redeployed, and they have had some life situations that have blasted them. She has made repeated promises though that most were done, and only a few more days, or by the end of the week she would drop them off at the shop.
Its almost 5 months later and I have yet to see a single model. I have yet to see a painted base. Heck she isnt even returning my messages now.
Ironically enough I went with her painting my models because the other guy that worked there always seemed to be back logged... he had one guys models for over a year, had only painted two, and when he returned the models at the request of the customer it was supposedly missing models.
Now I am without my High Elves for five months, I knew I would be without them a while. Our initial time table was to have them done by march though, and she has made numerous promises of their completion and hasnt followed through on any of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 17:09:21
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Clthomps wrote:If I had to guess I would say that most of the fly by night painters are under age.
Sadly, you're very wrong here.
Most of the "fly by night" ones are exactly as Gamble mentioned: Adults who paint for extra money.
As the advertsing contact for Bartertown, someone who's used a number of painting services, someone who's worked as a commission painter (I got out when I realized I would end up backlogged because I just paint SO DARN SLOWLY) and who's worked freelance (non-painting) for one of them, I've dipped my toes pretty deeply into the commission painting waters. They come in all shapes and sizes.
The guys who drop off of the face of the Earth when there are problems are of 2 types. Either they intended to rip you off from the beginning (quite rare), or they got in over their heads by overpromising (the lure of money!) and don't have the scrote to "man-up" and just be honest about the situation.
Commission painting is a difficult business, whether you're doing it as an income supplement or as a FT job. Either way, you've got to take something you (hopefully) love and turn it into a constant, churning machine. You don't get to take a couple days off, like with your personal projects. Not without scheduling it in advance. Getting burned out? Tough cookies. You've got 3 more commissions due by the end of next month. Get to slapping some paint! It really takes a certain amount of fortitude and willpower to do it. Those are things that many people don't realize HOW short their supply of them is until they need to tap into it.
So, they get back logged. People start calling, emailing, texting, PMing. It just gets deeper and deeper. Not everyone is cordial or understanding. Not everyone is "cool" about the situation. Those people drive the painter even deeper into hiding. Now, he doesn't want to open ANY message or take ANY call from an unknown number because he just doesn't want to deal with the harassment. So, people like me (and others, of course), who AREN'T being d*cks and are being friendly and patient... we're hung out to dry, too.
Now, this isn't in DEFENSE of painters who do that. Merely explanation. I'm in the same boat. I've had no less than 5 people over the years who I've commissioned for painting or conversions who have delayed excessively. The worst one eventually got me my (unpainted) minis back, but not the $500 down payment. The two I'm dealing with now have $500 (minimum) and $200 (+$500 trade value in minis) of my stuff. The former is MONTHS overdue with no contact (I've finally found his ph#. He's getting a call today). The latter isn't due until July, but I'm seeing reports from people about him having flaked on them for months, now. So, clearly, I'm not deluded about the issues. : )
I'm about *this* close to only using services who (a) are STRICTLY full time painting services (GMMStudios, for example), regardless of the wait, (b) have a minimum of 12 months VERIFIABLE experience with no history of delays or communication problems, or (c) have 6 months VERIFIABLE experience (no delay history, of course) and can provide a MINIMUM of 3 references of people I KNOW and/or recognize from one of the forums I take part in.
...and it's damned ridiculous that I may have to reach that point, too!
If you take commissions for ANYTHING, and the problems being discussed in this thread apply to you, MAN UP. Shape up or get out of the business. You're only bringing it down!
Eric
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Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 17:13:31
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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Yeah, that's the bad side of the coin when doing business with people you know. It's harder for some to get hard on their buddies and fellow gamers. With a professional third party, it's easier to retain a bit more of a business perspective. And that, to a point is what's needed.
If ol girls life has been blasted so bad, it may be for the best to show up ready to pick up your models in hatever their current condition is. Automatically Appended Next Post: You know, that's one of the problems in paying for painting. You are, typically, investing in the painter by giving them your stuff before they have even done a lick of work. You are laying yourself open to risk with no recourse should things go south. It might be an idea for contractor and contractee to come to some kind of escrow arrangement. That way, when I give a painter 500 bucks worth of models to paint, I am not taking it in the shorts should something in that persons life go up in smoke. I am sensitive to people having divorces, car wrecks, and other traumatic occurances, but it is totally unfair to a client to have their models disappear. This way, the painter shares in the risk, and is there fore more motivated to get things accomplished on time, since they will take penalties in the escrow if they do not. Obviously escrow could be re-negotiated at clients discretion.
This might not be worth it for a 20 dollar single mini, but I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that there are people on Dakka and other sites right now who have lost hundreds and even thousands of dollars on such re-negged contracts, not to mention time and energy expended trying to track it all down when the painter goes to silent running. Also, some kind of escrow arrangement would be a motivator for painters to be more conservative in their estimates of what they can get done in how much time, preventing them from wedging their ass in a crack by over-booking their schedules.
I realize not every would-be sell-sword would be able to do so, but again it's just a thought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 18:13:46
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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grizgrin wrote:I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that there are people on Dakka and other sites right now who have lost hundreds and even thousands of dollars on such re-negged contracts, not to mention time and energy expended trying to track it all down when the painter goes to silent running.
One of my buddies is out thousands to ONE PAINTER. It's someone he used to use all the time. Sad.
On a semi-related note:
One painting service who has been having problems recently is NG Arts Studios. I have received a number of PM's and read some posts on them over on Bartertown.
Not sure where else to post this that would be appropriate, so I'm adding it in this thread.
Mods: If it would be more appropriate somewhere else, LMK. I'll remove it from here and add it there:
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As of 11:45 (Central) today, I've been in touch with Maciej. I called him, left a voice mail, and he responded swiftly.
He said, basically, that his hard drive going belly-up, followed by a Blackberry update that scoured most of his stored info has caused him to be unable to get ahold of anyone.
At this point, I have no reason not to believe him.
He said that he had to send his computer off to have the hard drive replaced for free, rather than paying out the butt to have it fixed locally. He states that it should ba about a week before he gets the computer back. It's Alienware, so I definitely believe that story.
So, we talked it out, and here's the plan:
Maciej have something of yours? PM me. PM me your name, phone # and list of what he has. I will call him with the information and he will contact you via telephone.
Lastly, I do have one request for those who have stuff with him & PM me your information; Maciej has been quite upfront about everything and, like I said, he called me back SWIFTLY after I left the message. When he calls you... don't be an *sshole to him.
Eric
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Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 19:21:57
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well, an escrow arrangement is a good idea, but quickly breaks down in the execution. For example, say I commission a painted squad. I ship the squad valued at $50. Where does the escrow come in? I could see it working in a situation where the painter purchased the minis themself. Their cash would be tied into the minis they've got on hand, but the problem is painters get jammed up too and have clients flake out. That's why most services (everyone I've seen) mandate full cost of minis upfront.
Here's the thing though. I prefer to build and play. Painting is not my strongsuit. I get very specific ideas on how I want individual minis to look. It's nearly impossible to get a squad built the exact way I'd want it so shipping the minis is the only option for me.
I think an escrow account is a good idea. I just can't seem to think of a way to make it work without pissing off the artist, or causing them to break from their traditional ways of doing business such as the cost of minis upfront and x% of commission upfront.
What sucks the most is that other people get dragged down by the bad operations, not to mention the guys who seem to have their gak together and then go rogue.
There's 1 service I would use in a heartbeat. I've never heard a bad thing about his customer service or the finished work. He's booked far out, BUT he has regular updates and refuses to overbook. Ironically, had I accepted my place in line, I'd have had my stuff months ago instead of it still being bare plastic/ resin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 23:23:20
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Master Sergeant
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Any commission work I've had done I keep local. Hard to hide from me when I'm pounding on your door.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 23:51:06
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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Yeah, it would be difficult to implement, for sure. But, it's a concept that is fair to both sides and more motivational for the painter. The painter would certainly have to be on board. But, like I said, it was just a thought to be spun out there.
If there was a painting service using some kind of escrow system, I would be very damn likely to use them in lieu of having any of the wonderful (and much more practical and realistic!) suggestions Magical Memories made.
Honestly, the painter would have to offer it in order for it to work. And I dont really see that happening with so much idealism in the eyes of so many new paint slingers out there. But hey, you never know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 02:33:12
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Blood Angel Chapter Master with Wings
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Sigh these threads always make me anxious as hell... hiring out commision jobs is stressful, seems like it's status quo to barely know what is going on for extended periods at least part of the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 03:34:26
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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MagickalMemories wrote:
Commission painting is a difficult business, whether you're doing it as an income supplement or as a FT job. Either way, you've got to take something you (hopefully) love and turn it into a constant, churning machine. You don't get to take a couple days off, like with your personal projects. Not without scheduling it in advance. Getting burned out? Tough cookies. You've got 3 more commissions due by the end of next month. Get to slapping some paint! It really takes a certain amount of fortitude and willpower to do it. Those are things that many people don't realize HOW short their supply of them is until they need to tap into it.
Exactly.
To be honest the only other painter I would ever recommend personally (sorry if I just dont know you!) is Blue Table because he is the only other full time painter I know of. I get an email once a week from someone out whole armies. It's always the same story. I really dont understand why people send hundreds of dollars in minis to someone who actually has more to GAIN from keeping them and the deposit than seeing them through. A full time painter has a reputation to uphold and no one single army is worth putting myself out of work.
Heck I have 10+ armies sitting around me right now. Still not worth it (not that I ever would even if it was). I plan on doing this for a long time. I love every aspect of it to death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 06:37:34
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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GMM, the only thing that's EVER kept me from commissioning you was the wait. I'm HUGELY impatient.
God knows it's not your service, quality or personality keeping me away. : )
I'm beginning to think the wait's not that much of a hindrance. Heck, I'm about 6 months into the guy with my Orks RIGHT NOW!
Eric
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Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 06:45:15
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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I am happier to have unbuilt / unpainted minis, than to lose stuff to a "painter"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 12:21:11
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
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MagickalMemories wrote:GMM, the only thing that's EVER kept me from commissioning you was the wait. I'm HUGELY impatient.
God knows it's not your service, quality or personality keeping me away. : )
I'm beginning to think the wait's not that much of a hindrance. Heck, I'm about 6 months into the guy with my Orks RIGHT NOW!
Eric
6 Months? Really? If I couldn't finish a 2K 40K/Fantasy army in 2 weeks, I wouldn't even bother taking the commission. I guess I am naive in thinking that if I get a commission, I am going to finish it in the most efficient way possible and in the timeframe quoted. Interesting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 12:24:00
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Gamble wrote:There's 1 service I would use in a heartbeat. I've never heard a bad thing about his customer service or the finished work. He's booked far out, BUT he has regular updates and refuses to overbook. Ironically, had I accepted my place in line, I'd have had my stuff months ago instead of it still being bare plastic/ resin.
/nods @ GMM
Wish you'd make a couple clones so you could fit in more armies per month.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 12:47:13
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Privateer
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If I wasnt having health problems that affect my ability to paint and make deadlines I'd probly be doing more commissions myself. I like making armies and helping people have a force they can be happy with and proud of.
I just wish people would be more up front/honest and not try to act like the problem of running moths late is just going to go away. The online 40k community isnt exactly huge, and theres alot of crossover between the various forums.
It sucks that because of a few jerk offs that people trying to get started (or back into) doing comission work will probably have to put themselves at risk for this exact sort of problem in order to win the trust of customers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 13:18:14
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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MagickalMemories wrote:So, people like me (and others, of course), who AREN'T being d*cks and are being friendly and patient... we're hung out to dry, too.
Yeah, cos when a painter is paid for a service and doesn't deliver, an angry customer must be a d*ck.
I'm constantly amazed by these threads. Not by the massive number of losers that take painting work and are incapable of fulfilling their commitments, I've had enough life experience to have known people like this. What surprises me is the endless stream of "friendly and patient" victims.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 13:48:10
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Any time I take on commision work, I give my 'customer' as many ways to contact me as possible. Phone number's to my cell, as well as to my tattoo shop (that one's not getting disconnected and you can ALWAYS reach me/leave a message) and I usually have anything being sent to me delivered to the shop. It would be kind of hard to 'drop out of site' once I have given them that much information, don't you think?!? My e-mail, as well as a friend request on facebook (much easier to upload pics and send a link to them for viewing progress) have also come in handy. Communication & honesty are the key ingredients to
ANY and ALL relationships, whether personal or professional, IMO.
My only problem is that I currently put in 54 hours a week tattooing. That doesn't leave a lot of time for the wife and kids, let alone painting, so I am, currently, a bit limited on time! Knowing this, I am completely honest with potential customers. I'd rather tell you that it will take me 8 weeks and get it done 4 weeks than tell you 4 weeks and not have it done for 8.
Just my opinion....
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WarPaint Miniature Studios is currently accepting select commissions! PM if interested!
http://www.facebook.com/WarPaintMiniatureStudios/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 15:16:10
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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MagickalMemories wrote:GMM, the only thing that's EVER kept me from commissioning you was the wait. I'm HUGELY impatient.
God knows it's not your service, quality or personality keeping me away. : )
I'm beginning to think the wait's not that much of a hindrance. Heck, I'm about 6 months into the guy with my Orks RIGHT NOW!
Eric
Well as I have told others, this is my job. Even painting an army a week and no longer doing anything smaller than army jobs the schedule is still filling up. It's great for me, but I always feel bad when I get a very excited email from someone who just found me and then I have to tell them the bad news. If they accept it, they get in line, if not I apologize as there is nothing I can do. Still a bummer though :(
I won't turn anyone down, that's just how I am, so it comes down to who is willing to wait. I'm also not going to turn down projects to let my schedule shrink a bit. I think this is all in all the most fair though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 15:19:42
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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You are being upfront, and have a sterling rep to show for it and no end of satisfied customers. There may be many ways of Doing It Right, but it cannot be argued that you are indeed doing one of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 15:49:12
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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JohnHwangDD wrote:I am happier to have unbuilt / unpainted minis, than to lose stuff to a "painter"
I'm certain your post says something, but I can't see past your avatar! : ) Automatically Appended Next Post: Jazz is for Losers wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:So, people like me (and others, of course), who AREN'T being d*cks and are being friendly and patient... we're hung out to dry, too.
Yeah, cos when a painter is paid for a service and doesn't deliver, an angry customer must be a d*ck.
I'm constantly amazed by these threads. Not by the massive number of losers that take painting work and are incapable of fulfilling their commitments, I've had enough life experience to have known people like this. What surprises me is the endless stream of "friendly and patient" victims.
Being angry -which I am- does not have to equate to being a d*ck. You can get your point - and anger - communicated to the guy perfectly well without resorting to name-calling, yelling or making threats. Also, you don't have to be friendly to be patient.
Eric Automatically Appended Next Post: GMMStudios wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:GMM, the only thing that's EVER kept me from commissioning you was the wait. I'm HUGELY impatient.
God knows it's not your service, quality or personality keeping me away. : )
I'm beginning to think the wait's not that much of a hindrance. Heck, I'm about 6 months into the guy with my Orks RIGHT NOW!
Eric
Well as I have told others, this is my job. Even painting an army a week and no longer doing anything smaller than army jobs the schedule is still filling up. It's great for me, but I always feel bad when I get a very excited email from someone who just found me and then I have to tell them the bad news. If they accept it, they get in line, if not I apologize as there is nothing I can do. Still a bummer though :(
I won't turn anyone down, that's just how I am, so it comes down to who is willing to wait. I'm also not going to turn down projects to let my schedule shrink a bit. I think this is all in all the most fair though.
Oh, yeah.
We've had that talk before. That's one of the things I think is so great about you, actually.
The 7 month or so backup really seems FAR LESS important, in light of the issues that happen with others, though.
Eric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 23:13:40
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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MagickalMemories wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:I am happier to have unbuilt / unpainted minis, than to lose stuff to a "painter"
I'm certain your post says something, but I can't see past your avatar! : )
Ask your wife to come into the room.
Your eyes will automatically divert...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 23:18:40
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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Who is she this time John - let me know that I may Google...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 23:21:53
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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No idea who she is, but worth saving for an avatar, yes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 23:23:36
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/14 23:58:59
Subject: Commission Service Radio Silence
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GMMStudios wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:GMM, the only thing that's EVER kept me from commissioning you was the wait. I'm HUGELY impatient.
God knows it's not your service, quality or personality keeping me away. : )
I'm beginning to think the wait's not that much of a hindrance. Heck, I'm about 6 months into the guy with my Orks RIGHT NOW!
Eric
Well as I have told others, this is my job. Even painting an army a week and no longer doing anything smaller than army jobs the schedule is still filling up. It's great for me, but I always feel bad when I get a very excited email from someone who just found me and then I have to tell them the bad news. If they accept it, they get in line, if not I apologize as there is nothing I can do. Still a bummer though :(
I won't turn anyone down, that's just how I am, so it comes down to who is willing to wait. I'm also not going to turn down projects to let my schedule shrink a bit. I think this is all in all the most fair though.
Nice, I hope to have that problem in the future. Sooner rather than later though.
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