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JohnHwangDD wrote:Only if you like mono-pose models.

Or, put another way, if I offered you a cup of for $5, and a barrel of for $20, you'd buy the barrel because you get more per dollar, ignoring the fact that it's still ?

I think that really depends on what the conversion rate is between cups and barrels. If the deal was good enough...

I'm getting the mag, and probably 2 or 3 copies of the box, all to get the temies(I've got 4 DW Asscannons lying around). $60 for 5 plastic Termies I can still swap the arms on plus all the other stuff, or $50 for 5 Plastic Termies... SOLD!

It's a nice idea, but definitely not enough for me to go out and buy a White Dwarf. I've never bought, one, and I don't see much reason to start now.

That said, while the BfBR nobs might be a bit lackluster, everything in that set is better (x10) than any of the statuesque crap they put in the 2nd edition boxed set.

If I wanted a magazine that consisted of nothing but pictures, I could buy dirty, filthy pr0n with *actual* "adult content" for the same price as WD.

IMO, the only decent recurring content in WD is Jervis' Standard Bearer pontification. I respect that Jervis is willing to call it like he sees it, and state an actual opinion. If you don't agree, or dislike how he presents it, that's your problem, not his.

OTOH, if GW makes it standard practice to include "FREE" models with every issue, that wouldn't be so bad at all. At least you'd have something tangible afterwards.

Cadian16th wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Only if you like mono-pose models.

Or, put another way, if I offered you a cup of for $5, and a barrel of for $20, you'd buy the barrel because you get more per dollar, ignoring the fact that it's still ?

I think that really depends on what the conversion rate is between cups and barrels. If the deal was good enough...

We live in the last country to still use British Imperial units of measure, so you recall your grade-school education, a cup is 8 oz., and a barrel of beer is 31 gallons. At 128 oz per gallon, that works out to...

(wait for it)

approximately 500:1 (exactly 496).

But it's nice to know you're a drinker of , in case I should happen upon such a barrel and don't find a more nefarious use for it...

Platuan4th wrote:I'm getting the mag, and probably 2 or 3 copies of the box, all to get the temies(I've got 4 DW Asscannons lying around). $60 for 5 plastic Termies I can still swap the arms on plus all the other stuff, or $50 for 5 Plastic Termies... SOLD!

Be sure to put the Orks and rulebooks up for trade.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted a magazine that consisted of nothing but pictures, I could buy dirty, filthy pr0n with *actual* "adult content" for the same price as WD.

IMO, the only decent recurring content in WD is Jervis' Standard Bearer pontification. I respect that Jervis is willing to call it like he sees it, and state an actual opinion. If you don't agree, or dislike how he presents it, that's your problem, not his.

Hmmm, I disagree. I see your point, but cannot swallow it. Jervis states only a ''point'' in a political method; in other words, he puts a 'spin' on GW current affairs. Like the Soviet newspaper Pravda, he is little more than another output for the subliminal; selling through WD, be it for starting new armies, buying special character models, or attending tournaments. I find it galling that we have to swallow his bs. There's no 'real' opinion there. If he was to be truly interesting, he would write articles about how he put out several crap codexes. No one would berate him for that. If he came clean and adressed negativity instead of the same blind optimism, we might have a worthwhile article on our hands.
I don't read WD and expect it to be the same standard as my daily broadsheet. Jervis is a rare link to older gamers, in the same vein as Rick Priestley and the lamentably jettisoned Andy Chambers. But Jervis plays sycophant to the current malaise at GW. If anything, he is flying the standard for simplicity, in terms of both journalism and subjective view. He should use his priveliged position to write fair and honest articles, not this rose tinted, soppy crap.

As is obvious, I do have a problem with Jervis and his drone like presence. This is my problem, but I am in little doubt that the majority of mature, honest WD readers would, if being honest, support my view.

sigh

We all like GW, that's why we're here. The reason I find this site so refreshing is that there is (on the whole) freedom of speech. There is not one splinter of negativity in WD; no admissions of error, no defending themselves against the public, and no attempt at reintroducing character back into the magazine. The worst thing is, in most GW stores, the staff are the same. Is this blind optimism contagious? Time to wall myself in, unbox the gasmask and rant on this site

If you like Jervis, that's your problem, not mine.

Anti-Mag...

...that was awesome!

Your welcome, Alpharius.

Thanks for the support, always nice to see fellow open minded folk.

I went out to by the White Dwarf that detailed out 5th Ed. just for a termie Sgt. Unfortunately it did not come with any minis at all. :(

No about it, if they come out with static pose termi's does that mean a Space Hulk redux could be in the works?


When I saw the sprue for the guys, I had a flashback of the very same thought.

!#@$ !%@%$$ I miss that game.

Oh, yeah....


BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!!!!

BUY GW!!!! THE PRITTY PICURES ARE YOUR FRIEND......

ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER!!!!

Anti-Mag wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted a magazine that consisted of nothing but pictures, I could buy dirty, filthy pr0n with *actual* "adult content" for the same price as WD.

IMO, the only decent recurring content in WD is Jervis' Standard Bearer pontification. I respect that Jervis is willing to call it like he sees it, and state an actual opinion. If you don't agree, or dislike how he presents it, that's your problem, not his.

Hmmm, I disagree. I see your point, but cannot swallow it. Jervis states only a ''point'' in a political method; in other words, he puts a 'spin' on GW current affairs. Like the Soviet newspaper Pravda, he is little more than another output for the subliminal; selling through WD, be it for starting new armies, buying special character models, or attending tournaments. I find it galling that we have to swallow his bs. There's no 'real' opinion there. If he was to be truly interesting, he would write articles about how he put out several crap codexes. No one would berate him for that. If he came clean and adressed negativity instead of the same blind optimism, we might have a worthwhile article on our hands.
I don't read WD and expect it to be the same standard as my daily broadsheet. Jervis is a rare link to older gamers, in the same vein as Rick Priestley and the lamentably jettisoned Andy Chambers. But Jervis plays sycophant to the current malaise at GW. If anything, he is flying the standard for simplicity, in terms of both journalism and subjective view. He should use his priveliged position to write fair and honest articles, not this rose tinted, soppy crap.

As is obvious, I do have a problem with Jervis and his drone like presence. This is my problem, but I am in little doubt that the majority of mature, honest WD readers would, if being honest, support my view.

sigh

We all like GW, that's why we're here. The reason I find this site so refreshing is that there is (on the whole) freedom of speech. There is not one splinter of negativity in WD; no admissions of error, no defending themselves against the public, and no attempt at reintroducing character back into the magazine. The worst thing is, in most GW stores, the staff are the same. Is this blind optimism contagious? Time to wall myself in, unbox the gasmask and rant on this site

If you like Jervis, that's your problem, not mine.

QFT

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted a magazine that consisted of nothing but pictures, I could buy dirty, filthy pr0n with *actual* "adult content" for the same price as WD.

Some of them even came with a CD.

Man, life before the internetz was expensive

Got to agree with Anti-Mag. I care about the hobby, but nowadays I just don't care about positive or negative views on the hobby, both from inside (generally the first) or outside (usually the last). When any of these actually changed places, it generally mean a step in the good direction, but even when it happens it doesn't last long (Jervis' reassuring that WD would get better). So much that I don't expect a lot, and now only flip through the magazine's pages if I see one. Cute layout. Other than that, the painting articles are banal to say the least - and the last few WD's I had (part of a subscription) had better painting articles on the LOTR part than on the rest of the magazine. The rest of the pages were, short of a few, painfully dull.

What defines the Hobby is what I think should be sold through the magazine. Hobby (painting, modelling), Showcase (different armies, some more painting, ideas and tacticas for that army), Development (rules, miniatures, Q&A) and Stories, and some un-biased battle reports. Feedback could be gathered - the 3rd edition Space Wolves and Inquisition codecii, for example, or Battlefleet Gothic - and put to good use on how to address the errors some of the books or rules suffer.
I don't need them to admit they're wrong, I'd like them to recognize it and change their ways. I mean, is there no-one in the ruling places with any sense of critic?

The older WD's I read had Q&A in two pages, Andy C. detailing the Piscina Campaign, new maps for Space Hulk, discussion of the current codex, etc. and where usually loads more fun than the last ones I read. After three years, I didn't renew my subscrition as I felt the mag's standard has fallen. The internet is 'tuff competition, and forums like Dakka or Warseer have a lot going for them - stuff that the magazine can't compete with. The thing they could do was provide a closer link to the creative (?) minds behind the universe we all love, which is something IMHO that could gather interest, and more experimental rules, both for the Main and Specialist ranges.
They could have a sort of "campaign" stuff going on - one month we'd have an army, it's allies and main antagonists and some articles on them (this is the IV Catachan Regiment, the Tea Tummies, who have served with the 4th company of the Angels of Gryphon Space Marines, against the wicked and perfidious Eldar of the Faren'Aitt craftworld) to expand the fluff and show some neat and interesting conversion stuff, cover specific terrain, etc.

I think this is what I'd look for in a magazine. Together with the ocasional free LP's, miniatures, CD's, codecii or whatever.

Yes, I do suck at making up names. I re-wrote the name of the craftworld four times before I could make up my mind on a suitably silly and unrelated name. Five, now that I've changed the X to an F to resemble my old man's favourite perfume.

If only SPACE HULK would get re-released.

Oh, that would be a happy day...

Anti-Mag wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If I wanted a magazine that consisted of nothing but pictures, I could buy dirty, filthy pr0n with *actual* "adult content" for the same price as WD.

IMO, the only decent recurring content in WD is Jervis' Standard Bearer pontification. I respect that Jervis is willing to call it like he sees it, and state an actual opinion. If you don't agree, or dislike how he presents it, that's your problem, not his.

Hmmm, I disagree. I see your point, but cannot swallow it. Jervis states only a ''point'' in a political method; in other words, he puts a 'spin' on GW current affairs. Like the Soviet newspaper Pravda, he is little more than another output for the subliminal; selling through WD, be it for starting new armies, buying special character models, or attending tournaments. I find it galling that we have to swallow his bs. There's no 'real' opinion there. If he was to be truly interesting, he would write articles about how he put out several crap codexes. No one would berate him for that. If he came clean and adressed negativity instead of the same blind optimism, we might have a worthwhile article on our hands.
I don't read WD and expect it to be the same standard as my daily broadsheet. Jervis is a rare link to older gamers, in the same vein as Rick Priestley and the lamentably jettisoned Andy Chambers. But Jervis plays sycophant to the current malaise at GW. If anything, he is flying the standard for simplicity, in terms of both journalism and subjective view. He should use his priveliged position to write fair and honest articles, not this rose tinted, soppy crap.

As is obvious, I do have a problem with Jervis and his drone like presence. This is my problem, but I am in little doubt that the majority of mature, honest WD readers would, if being honest, support my view.

sigh

We all like GW, that's why we're here. The reason I find this site so refreshing is that there is (on the whole) freedom of speech. There is not one splinter of negativity in WD; no admissions of error, no defending themselves against the public, and no attempt at reintroducing character back into the magazine. The worst thing is, in most GW stores, the staff are the same. Is this blind optimism contagious? Time to wall myself in, unbox the gasmask and rant on this site

If you like Jervis, that's your problem, not mine.

Hmmm, it all makes sense. Jervis sounding like a "everything is fine comrades, look at our new things (and please ignore the rest while I ramble on)" strawman from the Pravda and their lowly ranks wearing red shirts while being sworn into stupidity and denying everything. "There is NO new 40k coming out this year, how else would we top such a thing in 2009?!"

I do miss the free stuff that came with old WD issues, like those massive posters of maps or art, the odd free mini or other odd things like those cardboard buildings or that jousting field.

stonefox wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I'm getting the mag, and probably 2 or 3 copies of the box, all to get the temies(I've got 4 DW Asscannons lying around). $60 for 5 plastic Termies I can still swap the arms on plus all the other stuff, or $50 for 5 Plastic Termies... SOLD!

Be sure to put the Orks and rulebooks up for trade.

You wish, they're going to pad my Mob sizes.

Free stuff, yes please! I'm buying the starter box, because I can. I've been playing since the RT days, and have well over 4000 models. I enjoy the hobby, and that's all that matters. A good evening of fun, drinking beer and spending time with friends is what this game is about. If you don't like the figs don't buy them, just enjoy the game.

Why was it that GW has been disinclined to reproduce Space Hulk? Is it because they don't want to have different rules for the same game world? Or was it something else? I thought there was something said in the past about the studio losing the artwork for the game board tiles. Or was that Warhammer Quest?

I didn't think the plastic nobs looked all that bad, really. There's some issues, but simplified figures like this are going to have those problems. Nothing a decent paintjob can't fix. Just force some more darks into the areas that should be recessed to make the figure feel fuller and rounder.

I'd be happy to drop down a few bucks for a White Dwarf if there's a bit of a renaissance going on with the magazine. The plastic figures are certainly a very nice bonus.

Anti-Mag wrote:If you like Jervis, that's your problem, not mine.

If I like Jervis, it's not a problem at all for me.

I really don't understand why they don't bring back SpaceHulk either, especially with how good the recent set of snap together models look. It was a great game in its own right, and another way to expose people to the hobby.

For Space Hulk, GW would need to mix the snap-fit Termies from B4BR with the snap-fit Nids from B4M (or the original SH). Clearly, this is too much work, so it cannot be done.

GW has apparently also "lost" the desire to do so.

Not sure why...

Just got this months WD, no Figs, Good OL' Australia being a month behind everything, yay

Yes, but at least it does say we get the figs in next month's issue

I have been buying WD for quite a few years now, and have seen it go from hobby magazine to catalogue and can comfortably say they are trying to get back on track, whether or not the company will let them get all the way there is an entirely different issue. Tale of four gamers is excellent, though they forget that when the new ed of warhammer was released they also did a TOFG for that one, I really used to enjoy the old WD with more substance to them, short stories, detailed accounts of background and fluff (can anyone remember the index astartes series, that was pretty sweet, 6 pages of fluff and new rules to boot every month) plus, one of my pet favourites that MUST be brought back to truly save the magazine, every 6 months or so chuck in a carboard cut-out mini-game (brewhouse bash FTW, got so hooked I nearly made a proper board with 3d furniture instead of the cardboard one)

I will be getting the free nob/termie issue as I need an extra nob to lead my slugga boyz (have 2 already) and would rather pay £4 for 2 minis and a magazine than £6-8 for 1 metal nob (albeit the models are of a slightly lower quality, but then again the ork boyz sprues seem to be a tad poorly cast anyway - oh my aching files).

Also, the miniatures in Assault on Black Reach are in a STARTER box (not trying to sound sarcastic, just emphasising the word) when I got into 40K when I was 11 years old the 2-part snap fit minis were excellent, as the name suggests, the minis in there are to introduce people into the hobby, it provides easy to assemble miniatures for people who may never have done this sort of thing before so they can get into the hobby quickly (can anyone remember the land speeder that came in the 3rd edition starter set, nightmare) because, lets face it, GW don't seem to be attracting younger hobbyists (hence I think why for all the 'hobby summer camp' stuff for under 16s going on atm

But you have to admit that AoBR is VERY good value for a GW product, £40 for all that stuff (yes I know that 4/5 are 2 part snap fit, except for plastic boss & marine dread & deffkoptas etc) but the 5th ed rulebook is £30, so you are getting a lot extra for your £10 which, for GW (where the limiting factor in the hobby for me has ALWAYS, since day one, been the cost) is pretty good value, and yes, i know the rulebook has had the fluff cut out, but for my purposes I can live with that.

not trying to sound like a fanboy, but think I've managed to anyway

that my 2 teef

GrimTeef wrote:Why was it that GW has been disinclined to reproduce Space Hulk? Is it because they don't want to have different rules for the same game world? Or was it something else? I thought there was something said in the past about the studio losing the artwork for the game board tiles. Or was that Warhammer Quest?.

I think they lost the original printer files for the space hulk corridors. And the cost to replicate them was too expensive. That and the complete miniatures and corridors, bulkheads etc, was so much more expensive for a game that didn't require any additional models. As a stand alone game, the cost would be so prohibitive as to not make it worthwhile.

Shoot, they might h ave lost the artwork for Warhammer Quest as well.

Hmm. I wonder if some good natured artist were to actually recreate the artwork used for the tiles, you know, just as a lark, for fun, that GW might make the game then. They seem to release FAQs if someone else does all the work, so...

a shop near me stocks WD, and i think there are only a few collectors that buy from there, i might aswell buy 5 or so of em lol, keep the termies and ebay the nobz

I think its funny that people are making such a big deal outta free figs and a magazine. i subscribe ill admit it . i dont do it for the content i dont read any mags for the content i just want something that relates to my interest long enough that i can use the can. (oh and has a occasional pretty picture or free fig). WD and a couple mags i subscribe to do that. who cares if they try and sale something in the mag (dont let the media raise you or your kids).
thats just my opinion though.