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I've heard Lizardmen for Fantasy next year sometime before. Exciting. Perfect time for me to get into 'Ard Boyz.

Honestly, aside form Orks 2, I'm just waiting for new Plastic Daemons(especially that Prince).

According to certain people whose in the "know" the IG codex release is going to be already in feb next year...
Don't know if its worth getting our hopes up...


//Edge

Orks are up in January with several characters (Snikrot, Badrukk and Zagstrukk), the plastic Battle Wagon, plastic Grots and plastic Nobs. Around May we get the Imperial Guard with a new Russ variant (10 to 1 it is a Leman Russ Executioner), a slightly redesigned Chimera kit that doubles as a Hellhound, plastic storm troopers with access to shotguns and a commissar lord. After that we stumble onto Planet Strike with a plastic Thunderhawk, Valkyrie and new 40k building kits such as a landing pad and bunker. After that, who knows? We might be getting Space Wolves first as Jervis has a huge man-crush on them or the Necrons as a splash release to quickly patch up the they made. Second wave of Daemons can also be expected with what I've heard plastic Plague Bearers and a plastic Daemon Prince.

Anyone hear anything about tomb kings? I thought I read somewhere they were expecting it around end of 09 or beginning of 10... and Necrons would be roughly the same time...

I so hope the landing pad/bunker rumours are true(or any new GW building sets). I love GW terrain sets.

Platuan4th wrote:I so hope the landing pad/bunker rumours are true(or any new GW building sets). I love GW terrain sets.

yeah, they're hot but epensive. As long as plasticard is cheaper.....

Hope the IG shiz is out then, ill be proper chuffed

$25USD is expensive?

My local Black Shirt said Dark Eldar around Christmas.
But he works for the company, so knows nothing

Basicaly we know nothing. Best guesses are: Warriors o'Chaos, the Orks II, then Marines II, Lizardmen, Guard, Planet Strike (hopefully with a 40k version of Mighty Empires), followed by DE. Why do I suggest DE? Jes has been busy, and he does not work on any of the aforementioned armies. (although it would be awesome to ditch the whole current Lizardmen line aside from the Slan, and have Jes resculpt them to the standard of the new cold ones) I would guess that Space Woofs and Necrons would follow in '10 with Tomb Kings, Skaven, and Bretonnia. hard to say what would come out for LotR, there must be a couple of months worth of releases there too. So again, let me repeat that we know nothing.

I think that having NOTHING new shown at GD UK should have been a shock to everyone, but there was very little notice taken of this. The 6th month window has become a 2 month window, and that comes from White Dwarf more than it does from events now.

I'm liking the idea of second wave releases.

They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.
Generate interest in an army again 1 year after it was released (I'm sure it will start new ork players)

And it can be fitted in with a WHFB or LOTR 'month', or even spread accross several months to keep the interst going.

Wait, so, does Wave II SM releases mean that for 6+ months, there won't be models to represent stuff in the Codex? I thought GW was finally past that strategy.

Fourth Battle for Armageddon, baby.

But seriously, why does anyone think Eldar are getting a new 'dex any time soon? They've taken 5th ed. on board pretty damned well., with only a couple of obsolete features that are more like improvement.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.

Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models. Now they've changed horses mid-race again, and while we're not left with units without models, we have to wait 6-12 months to get the other half of them. This is simply so that a model line doesn't get a big release and then nothing for the next 5 years.

It's not a terrible idea, but it is definately a double-edged sword. On one hand, we still get all the models that we used to get, and nothing will be left unmade, but on the other hand we have to wait a while for some pretty big items.

BYE

The Beasts of Chaos FAQ suggested a new BOC release was in the pipeline, but I'm skeptical that any more than like 9 people remember who they are.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:They are able to get out models that otherwise would be left, undone.

Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models. Now they've changed horses mid-race again, and while we're not left with units without models, we have to wait 6-12 months to get the other half of them. This is simply so that a model line doesn't get a big release and then nothing for the next 5 years.

It's not a terrible idea, but it is definately a double-edged sword. On one hand, we still get all the models that we used to get, and nothing will be left unmade, but on the other hand we have to wait a while for some pretty big items.

BYE

HBMC, I agree with the double-edged sword metaphor, but here's the backswing: how long has it been since a Marine codex had this many new units? I mean, the number of variants and new models like Stern/Vanguard, the heavy Dred, new LR, scout speeder, new pods... that's a lot of stuff for one army release. It seems like now we not only get all the stuff in the codex, there's more stuff in the codex period. And while waves do mean a bit of waiting between acquisitions, what percentage of gamers will actually have painted the stuff they bought 6 months before by the time wave 2 of their army rolls around?

I dunno- seems to me like there's nothing to complain about unless there's some make-or-break unit that one really, really needs for a tourney. And then there's the opportunity to convert one's own before everyone else gets the new toy- be the first one on your hab-block, etc.

Where the wave strategy will really shine will be with armies that need a complete line update (like Dark Eldar) or completely new armies (fat chance of those anytime soon, but it's a point to make). It will however suck if applied to armies like Necrons, who aren't going to need more than a half-dozen new releases or so. Seeing those sparser armies' releases spaced out for marketing rather than production reasons will be annoying, you're right.

Shoot- double post. Sorry!

I remember the beastmen I have a kroot beastman army that I've played a whole 2 times :( .. just kinda not into fantasy lately, ever since Apocalypse 40K has been more fun for me...

right now the only thing coming soon that I really want is guard stuff.. gonna get the marine codex for potty reading though...

Savnock wrote:

Where the wave strategy will really shine will be with armies that need a complete line update (like Dark Eldar) or completely new armies (fat chance of those anytime soon, but it's a point to make). It will however suck if applied to armies like Necrons, who aren't going to need more than a half-dozen new releases or so. Seeing those sparser armies' releases spaced out for marketing rather than production reasons will be annoying, you're right.

I would doubt that Necron releases would get spaced out like that if all they add is 6 or so new kits. The only way I see that happening is if all the new kits aren't ready when the codex launches.

Besides, there is always the conversion route, players have had to deal with that forever, Battlewagons(which still don't have a plastic kit 10 years later), and Defilers(which were a later release) anyone?

Battle Wagon is in the 2nd Wave Ork releases. Just because there hasn't been an official model in plastic since the RT's is irrelevent. GW cares nothing for history - they only look at the current edition.

The Defiler was an interesting case - some models are held back for a special release. Defilers were held for the EoT Campaign, and were the only unit in the 'Dex (besides Lucius) that didn't get a model straight up.

Really I can't think of a situation that is better than the current one. I don't like it how I have to wait 6-12 months before my Storm Troopers can finally get their hands on the Land Speeder Transport I've wanted for so long, but on the other hand I can really see the benefit of not dumping everything on us at once in a huge release and then give us nothing for the next 5 years.

And I never want to go back to the 2nd Ed situation, where some models simply didn't have models for years because they were OOP (Marine Bikes are a good example, most of the Ork line). Hell, the first Guard unit of the post-RT era - the Leman Russ - was released when there weren't even any readily available Guard miniatures yet, or even a Codex. Be thankful for what we have, even if it'll never be perfect.

BYE

My friend who works at GW said that the only things he was told that are coming up are more Orks/Marines . .
And lizardmen

A good source for infos is Bells of Lost Souls, the accuracy of their forecasts is quite good (no wonder if you recall who makes up Bells).

Actually we do know what comes out next, the only problem is: in which order. On the other hand for some projects GW changed the timetable not so long ago. So it's no wonder it gets a bit fuzzy when it comes to the timetable.

Hold your breath for the Valkyrie, but for heavens sake don´t do this for the plastic thunderhawk.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:... . Also a new human faction is rumored to be in the pipeline, nothing really new, but an extension of the human empire. ...

... .

Oh FFS!

Yet another Imperial faction?

Isn't it enough to have SMs, IG, all the special SMs, and the various special non-IG non-SM special flavour of the month speciality armies?

I don't think the game needs yet another army of any kind, but if we absolutely have to, it would be a lot more interesting to have a new human faction that was non-Imperial, non-Chaos and had some kind of different technology and fighting style.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Completely untrue.

Before they started this whole second wave thing, all the new models were released when the Codex was released. It's been like this since the Necrons got their first Codex in 3rd - GW made an effort to ensure we didn't get the 2nd Ed situation where only half to 2/3rds of a Codex actually had official models.

This wasn't just a 2nd edition issue, it was all through 3rd edition. The Land Raider, the Wave Serpent, the (still not out) Battlewagon and I'm sure several others I've forgotten were all vaporware for a year or more. Other things were tied into minidexes, so there was a defacto 2nd wave when the Craftworld or Armageddon Codex came out.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Duncan_Idaho wrote:... . Also a new human faction is rumored to be in the pipeline, nothing really new, but an extension of the human empire. ...

... .

Oh FFS!

Yet another Imperial faction?

That's so obiquely phrased i wouldn't even call it a rumor.

Now we know Adeptus Mech are coming from Forgeworld so it could just be that. We strong suspect an all-in-one Inquisition book is coming so it might be that. Not exactly new but it would be an easy release for GW.

Space Pirates, Mercenaries, non-Marine Chaos or cults have always been possible but I've heard no rumors of the... ever.

So if there's anything to it I'd say it's just FW adeptus mech. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Sorry one addition, I heard today from someone in GW emerging markets that 'the future of those games [mordheim and Necromunda] is as part of 40k and fantasy.'

And there was a whisper a while back that Kill Team would become a suppliment. Perhaps it will be for hive gangs and cults?

Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

There is one reason why GW is so reluctant to bring out non-human races.

Does anyone remember the release of the Tau?

Quite some people in UK and Germany started a boycott because they did not like the new race. Financially it was a quite sobering experience for GW. I still can´t understand where all the hatred came from, but those guys can gratulate themselves for causing GW to become very reluctant to release anything else but human races.

Orks roll out in January-- 4th I believe.

Plastic nobz, gretchin, stormboyz and battlewagon. Zagstrukk skarsnik and *blanksnames* other characters, but no models for zogwort or wazzdakka.

Liardmen are the next fantasy race, Marchish I think.

Guard are April time.

We also get " The War of the Ring" revamped LOTR mass combat system next year as well, comes with a swanky new box set akin to the other 2 core games sets. Think all 3 sets are to go up by $10 as well ... not sure when exactly.

I reckon Space pups are around GD UK next year, so Septemberish.

We are supposed to get a few demon models next year as well, think this is limited to special characters and plastic mounted daemonette thingys.

Dont ask me for my source; but believe of this what you wll...

Jan – Orks 2nd Wave (Stormboyz, Plastic Gretchin, etc – Battlewagon would fit into this timeframe)
Feb – Lizardmen Fantasy (Plastic Steg and availiable as rare, special and mount option – max of 9 in one list; implies Slaan or Saurus has to be the general, new kroxigors)
March – Daemons 2nd Wave (Plastic Daemon Prince – previewed in Chaos Mortals list, new seekers, rest of the named Daemons, possibly generic daemons and a Battleforce)
April – LotR “War of the Ring”
May – Imperial Guard
June – Paints are going into the pots that the washes use

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Adeptus Mechanicus is the rumored faction.

There is one reason why GW is so reluctant to bring out non-human races.

Funny, I always got the feeling that GW disfavored non-human races, the IG has always been a poor step-sister and there's a feeling among many fantasy fans that humans are boring. MARINEZ (HURR!) are superhuman and thus are cool but ordinary puny humans have never been their focus.