Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Random question:

Anyone got the full text of that interview with Jervis where he talks about his son not know what each weapon was, and how they wanted to change that?

I need the exact text from it.

BYE

Q. Can bikes Turbo Boost during their Scout
move?
A. Yes they now can, but remember that they
have to remain more than 12” away from the
enemy as they move.


This was listed under the "FAQ" section. Not the "Errata" section?

Turbo Boosting is only found under the Special Rules section of the rule book. And Scouts says that you can make a "normal move" after deployment and before first turn. Since when is a Special Rule a Normal Rule (or normal move in this case)??

Most people (including GW staff) that I know interpret "normal move" as... well... a normal move. Turbo Boosting is a special rule. Hense the fact that it's in the Special Rules section...

So now we include special rules as normal rules? What about special attacks? Just as a hypothetical example: What happens if you are only allowed to make normal attacks? GW just openned a huge problem here. Now there is precident for those normal attacks to include special attacks. None of that makes any sense!

~Logic

H.B.M.C. wrote:It is astonishing that people never call John to task on the stuff he dribbles out onto these forums, but if someone has the hide to question or criticise GW, they're 'whining'.

Internet forums are an essentially degenerate medium in that respect. Opinionated and rude, where normal social niceties don't apply, and each with its own favorite opinions and scorned heretics. Despicable, really.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It is astonishing that people never call John to task on the stuff he dribbles out onto these forums, but if someone has the hide to question or criticise GW, they're 'whining'.

Internet forums are an essentially degenerate medium in that respect. Opinionated and rude, where normal social niceties don't apply, and each with its own favorite opinions and scorned heretics. Despicable, really.

And on that note... For the record: This is neither news or a rumor

~Logic

Despite the fact that regular scouts can now turbo boost, Ravenwing cannot turbo boost in their scout move. It specifically says so in the Dark Angels codex. DA Codex, pg 27:

"Scouts: Note that no model may make a Turbo Boost move whilst using the Scouts Special Rule."

So sad. . .

Brice

BBeale wrote:Despite the fact that regular scouts can now turbo boost, Ravenwing cannot turbo boost in their scout move. It specifically says so in the Dark Angels codex. DA Codex, pg 27:

"Scouts: Note that no model may make a Turbo Boost move whilst using the Scouts Special Rule."

So sad. . .

Brice

The debate is still out on whether rulebook FAQ trumps codex which trumps rulebook. Usually the order is FAQ>Codex>Rulebook, it's just never been stated if it's ANY FAQ.

Yes, but regardless of the trumping order, this is a specific rule for DA.

Brice

BBeale wrote:Yes, but regardless of the trumping order, this is a specific rule for DA.

Brice

And if the FAQ takes precedence over the codex, or trumps it, then it's no longer a special rule for them. Otherwise what does this help? Scout Bikes, and Deffkopta's? Wouldn't it have been better covered in their specific FAQs then?

No, my point was that the FAQ is explaining how the USR works. DA have an additional modification to the USR in their codex. The rulebook FAQ doesn't apply because of this.

Brice

Noisy_Marine wrote:

Q. If my Codex includes some options (or other
rules) that seem to have no effect in the new
edition (like the Thornback biomorph, which
makes the model count as double the number of
models for the purposes of outnumbering the
enemy in combat resolution), are you going to
publish an errata to change them to something
else that does work?

A. No, if an option (or a rule) clearly has no
effect, like in the case of the example above, it
simply does nothing. We think it’s simpler to just
leave it until the next edition of the Codex rather
than change its effects through an errata.

I smell more laziness! When is the new Nid book coming out?

Hopefully sooner rather than later. It really needs it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Random question:

Anyone got the full text of that interview with Jervis where he talks about his son not know what each weapon was, and how they wanted to change that?

I need the exact text from it.

BYE

Look here: http://www.adepticon.org/files/07johnsonj.pdf at Q5.

P.S. I like the Avatar change.

Logic wrote:Q. Can bikes Turbo Boost during their Scout
move?
A. Yes they now can, but remember that they
have to remain more than 12” away from the
enemy as they move.


This was listed under the "FAQ" section. Not the "Errata" section?

Turbo Boosting is only found under the Special Rules section of the rule book. And Scouts says that you can make a "normal move" after deployment and before first turn. Since when is a Special Rule a Normal Rule (or normal move in this case)??

Most people (including GW staff) that I know interpret "normal move" as... well... a normal move. Turbo Boosting is a special rule. Hense the fact that it's in the Special Rules section...

So now we include special rules as normal rules? What about special attacks? Just as a hypothetical example: What happens if you are only allowed to make normal attacks? GW just openned a huge problem here. Now there is precident for those normal attacks to include special attacks. None of that makes any sense!

~Logic

This also opens up a question if a tank can tankshock while coming in off an outflank. Tank shock is a special type of move, not a normal move.

BBeale wrote:Despite the fact that regular scouts can now turbo boost, Ravenwing cannot turbo boost in their scout move. It specifically says so in the Dark Angels codex. DA Codex, pg 27:

"Scouts: Note that no model may make a Turbo Boost move whilst using the Scouts Special Rule."

So sad. . .

Brice

For sake, tell me this isn't true. I had just alittle hope last night of using some tricks with RW.

Tis probably true, we know they don't like us cause we're goth.

It's sad that a 5th edition ruling update is trumped by a 4th codex saying otherwise.

I'm talking about RW bikes not being able to turbo boost on their scout move.


***** After further thought it might be overpowered to have full RW army scouting with turbo boost and also outflanking later.

What, like IG not being able to share transports?

Good 'ol GW

They make rules and forget about previous rules. Then go about their business without missing a beat or acknowledging a problem.

:/

H.B.M.C. wrote:It is astonishing that people never call John to task on the stuff he dribbles out onto these forums, but if someone has the hide to question or criticise GW, they're 'whining'.

BYE

Which John are you referring to?

The one who goes by the name John.

Yak doesn't. Yak is Yak.

BYE

Ok...er ...whats that-look over there! (ducks back behind curtain)

It seems to me like a lot of people would have been much happier if the newest Chaos book had been LatD: An HQ for CSM, one for Guard-type armies. Troops for Traitor units, with scary CSM as elites.

Then do a second book that is the CSM people are used to: the Traitor legions

H.B.M.C. wrote:The one who goes by the name John.

Yak doesn't. Yak is Yak.

BYE

Plus Yak's name is Jon, no h.

gah, the space wolf one lists a bunch of vehicles which are now points and rules as the new codex, then doesn't say anything about rhinos and razorbacks. Then goes on to say, "the exception to this is the venerable dreadnaught".


fething feths....

I want 40pt HB razorbacks

Rending on top of MC attacks for each of the D6. I like that.

Frazzled wrote:Rending on top of MC attacks for each of the D6. I like that.

? So your Str 1 monstrous creatures can penetrate AV 14?

Potentially my Str 1 MC can now penetrate AV20. Don't know of anything outside of Nids this might be useful with, but not bad if needing a cheap weapons symbiote to fill out requirements.

Sure, that Rending MC just needs to roll a pair of 6s to Penetrate... No problem.

dr vompire wrote:gah, the space wolf one lists a bunch of vehicles which are now points and rules as the new codex, then doesn't say anything about rhinos and razorbacks. Then goes on to say, "the exception to this is the venerable dreadnaught".

I want 40pt HB razorbacks

Do the entrys for rhinos and razorbacks in the Codex SW refer back to the "space marine codex"